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God can use even Joseph's evil brothers for his purposes, he can also use believers that are not actually doing everything correctly, too. I am not denying God's ability to work in people's lives. But you are not walking by faith and trusting in God that He could have done something about it if you just prayed or trusted in God as your source for strength and not your martial arts.
See, God can stop any sin at any point in time. He can give somebody a heart attack. Make an Earth quake to push a wall down upon someone. He doesn't need you to fight His physical battles for Him. God wants us to fight spiritually and to bring down spiritual strong holds by faith.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5
"(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;"
For without faith, it is impossible to please Him. Going by what is seen is not faith.
Anyways, I say this because you could have seen Joseph getting bullied by his brothers and you could have tried to stop what he was going thru. But God had a plan in that whole event. Peter wanted to prevent the Lord from being crucified. He looked outwardly at the physical world and not spiritually at what was happening in the unseen world.
See, God can stop any sin at any point in time. He can give somebody a heart attack. Make an Earth quake to push a wall down upon someone. He doesn't need you to fight His physical battles for Him. God wants us to fight spiritually and to bring down spiritual strong holds by faith.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5
"(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;"
For without faith, it is impossible to please Him. Going by what is seen is not faith.
Anyways, I say this because you could have seen Joseph getting bullied by his brothers and you could have tried to stop what he was going thru. But God had a plan in that whole event. Peter wanted to prevent the Lord from being crucified. He looked outwardly at the physical world and not spiritually at what was happening in the unseen world.
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I am walking by faith and trusting in God. I trust Him to guide me, to lead me. He is the one who gave me the training to begin with.
You keep saying God can do all the physical stuff Himself. Yes He can. He could feed the homeless, and He could clothe the meek. He does those things through us. That we might glorify God.
Solidground posted a scripture that got me thinking. You glorify God by trusting Him in prayer and abstaining from participating in a physical altercation. You are doing that for God.
I am glorifying God by honoring Him with the gifts He gave me and not shying away from the situations He brings me too. I do that for God.
Both of us are doing what we are doing for God's glory. You said it yourself, this is a war on principalities. Our principals are right on, we are doing what we are doing for GOD
and I can agree to disagree and still know that we are brothers Loving the same God 5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
This was the passage that got me thinking.
This was the passage that got me thinking.
Well, if you believe Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh and you believe we must always repent of our sins and always stay humble before God and strive to abide in His Spirit (Which will always result in righteousness or good fruit), then you are a brother indeed, my friend.
May God bless you.
And may you walk by sight unseen by faith more and more each day (To His glory).
May God bless you.
And may you walk by sight unseen by faith more and more each day (To His glory).
Yes if you see one killing the child, you have to stop it when it is possible, in your power.
We heard Muslim killing christian in middle east, and we pray for them, we not going to middle east with shoot gun and killing Muslim there.
Love the victim and protect the victim is our duty as a christian, if it is within our ability.
K
Talking about killing children and genocide check this out.
And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto theLord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.
20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.
God means business bro. Your children will only be saved by your faith until they reach the age that God requires their faith.
And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto theLord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.
20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.
God means business bro. Your children will only be saved by your faith until they reach the age that God requires their faith.
Yep, I quoted one...
2Ch 20:15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
2Ch 20:16 To morrow go ye down against them: behold, they come up by the cliff of Ziz; and ye shall find them at the end of the brook, before the wilderness of Jeruel.
2Ch 20:17 Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you.
2Ch 20:15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
2Ch 20:16 To morrow go ye down against them: behold, they come up by the cliff of Ziz; and ye shall find them at the end of the brook, before the wilderness of Jeruel.
2Ch 20:17 Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you.
Well you are not seeing what that verse is meaning because it is out of context of what the Bible is about and the story it tells.
Matthew 5:43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mac: Love to all not hate and or murder and such.
Matthew 26:51-52
And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. [52] Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Mac: Love not murder by sword plus notice the fact that one who followed also carried a sword and Jesus did not say to toss it away. I have guns at home but I do not use them to take human life nor does it mean I support such.
Luke 22:33-40
And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. [34] And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. [35] And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. [36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [37] For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. [38] And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
Mac: Two swords are enough? Two are enough for what?
Surly one cannot see support for taking human life in theses verses just because someone did not have a sword. Find a few more translations and see if you can gleam more from this story that at first it seemed to say per the many.
[39] And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. [40] And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.
Mac: what kinds of temptations are in this story?
Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Mac: Is this what was written that is talked about in the above verse? Could it be that He looked more like a transgressor when His followers carried swords as the custom was?
Anyhow if one just does a search on key words like love and such one can find many examples of not doing what so many say one must do and that is taking life by war and by self defense.
Romans 12:17-21
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. [18] If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. [19] Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. [20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. [21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Mac: Yes many can find ways to say these support verses do not mean what they say but that is not my problem it is the problem of the many.
Mac.
Matthew 5:43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mac: Love to all not hate and or murder and such.
Matthew 26:51-52
And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. [52] Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Mac: Love not murder by sword plus notice the fact that one who followed also carried a sword and Jesus did not say to toss it away. I have guns at home but I do not use them to take human life nor does it mean I support such.
Luke 22:33-40
And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. [34] And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. [35] And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. [36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [37] For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. [38] And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
Mac: Two swords are enough? Two are enough for what?
Surly one cannot see support for taking human life in theses verses just because someone did not have a sword. Find a few more translations and see if you can gleam more from this story that at first it seemed to say per the many.
[39] And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. [40] And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.
Mac: what kinds of temptations are in this story?
Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Mac: Is this what was written that is talked about in the above verse? Could it be that He looked more like a transgressor when His followers carried swords as the custom was?
Anyhow if one just does a search on key words like love and such one can find many examples of not doing what so many say one must do and that is taking life by war and by self defense.
Romans 12:17-21
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. [18] If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. [19] Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. [20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. [21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Mac: Yes many can find ways to say these support verses do not mean what they say but that is not my problem it is the problem of the many.
Mac.