For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[garee]

I don't believe so. There are unreached people now who have never heard the gospel. Even so, God can appear to someone in a vision. Cornelius is a classic example of this. Does God appear to everyone this way who have not been reached. I don't think so. It seems to me that more often, God would appear to those of that people who have not hardened their hearts to God and therefore whose hearts are likely more open to the gospel. Paul is a classic example of God getting through to a person who by all outward appearances was hardened to the gospel. I wonder what was happening to him after the stoning of Stephen, yet Paul outwardly was intent still intent on persecuting Christians.

It is apparent from Scripture that a person can harden their heart. But who softens their heart? Who opens their eyes?

Is is God through the foolishness of preaching Christ not ourselves . he is one one mind and always does whatsover His soul pleases .It is God who alone can make our hearts soft (creating a new) . We fear him because with him there is forgiveness. Without his book of the law the bible people perish just as with it those who crucify him over and over as if one demonstration was not enough they also perish .

Better things accompany salvation called the actual redemption of our soul.And not a kick start places a person to where Adam and Eve where before God corrupted the first creation after they did the evil pleasure of another being not seen.

His loving law is the determining factor. With it (the book of the law, the Bible) or without it... it presents the gospel .

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law (Bible) shall also perish without law (Bible) : and as many as have sinned in the law(Bible) shall be judged by the law(Bible) ;

 

[John146]

This depends on the context, every time. Sometimes their "all" means our "all" and sometimes not.

Sometimes their "world" means our "world" (like regarding sin or enmity to God) and sometimes not (like the Roman Empire vs todays globalized planetary world)


Jesus Christ is the living Word of God. Not book. But we would get into KJV only controversy again with this.

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

What's the context? The gospel...the same gospel that had come unto the Galatians is the same gospel that has gone out unto all the world. Where in the context is "all the world" meaning a limited part of the world?

 

[trofimus]

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

What's the context? The gospel...the same gospel that had come unto the Galatians is the same gospel that has gone out unto all the world. Where in the context is "all the world" meaning a limited part of the world?

In the context of the 1st century AD it meant a limited part of the world, southern Europe, some close parts of Asia and northern Africa.

In our context it means like 95% of the world, some nations or tribes are still to be reached yet.

 

[preacher4truth]

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

What's the context? The gospel...the same gospel that had come unto the Galatians is the same gospel that has gone out unto all the world. Where in the context is "all the world" meaning a limited part of the world?

So the Gospel was preached in Japan, China, Australia, Iceland, and to the Eskimo's and Apache's here in North America at the time the above was written? Who went to all these places and preached?

 

[John146]

In the context of the 1st century AD it meant a limited part of the world, southern Europe, some close parts of Asia and northern Africa.

In our context it means like 95% of the world, some nations or tribes are still to be reached yet.

In the context when it was written? Really?

I gotta go for now, but thanks for the conversation. Have a blessed day!

 

[preacher4truth]

Hmmmm...

The bible is defines itself.

This is KJVO teaching. I hear what you're trying to say, but the Bible isn't magic and it doesn't define itself in every instance. You learned this from G A Riplinger and have bought in.

There are several passages I could give you, where you could show us where it defines itself. Revelation 6:6 for instance. Show us from only the text where it defines this meaning of not to harm the oil or wine. Point us right to where it explains that to us and exactly what it means.

And this; "having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof." 2 Timothy 3:5. Tell us in the text only where it defines what this means exactly as it is misused by many.

No private interpretation is needed.

What do you mean by "private interpretation?" Is this alluding to 2 Peter 1:20?

What you are trying to say is that in every instance the Bible magically defines itself, and we really don't need to employ any other helps to enhance our understanding of the text. If this were true, there would be no need for exposition, commentary, background, languages of Greek, Hebrew; nothing. The Bible perfectly explains itself in every instance and makes it perfectly clear to everyone by just reading it.

If you believe your theory, you should have no other books on the Bible at all. All you need is the Bible, no other preacher, helps, nothing. You don't need Ruckman, Gipp, or Riplinger or any other KJVO cultist. But yet you have listened to them and much of your teaching comes from their doctrines, not from Scripture and from Scripture defining itself in every instance.

Not only this, but there is no mention of the Holy Spirit's role in illuminating the believer to understand the text of Scripture. You've allotted all of this to the, in some instances fallible 1611 KJV.

Allow what it says to stand.

Question begging.

That all sounds so spiritual, a loaded statement made in order to await others who challenge it and respond as if they don't believe Scripture literally.

So here it is: There are many texts that cannot be simply taken at face value. For instance, doing this is how many cults fall into error, by taking a verse at face value only and running with it.

 

[trofimus]

So the Gospel was preached in Japan, China, Australia, Iceland, and to the Eskimo's and Apache's here in North America at the time the above was written? Who went to all these places and preached?

Well, Paul could be teleported or something

But it would be
a) written in the Bible, there are all his journeys
b) quite strange that all these nations knew nothing about Christ when missionaries came to them (well, except of some parts of India and Africa, but this is another story, these parts were reachable by disciples or businessmen before missionaries)

 

[notuptome]

So the Gospel was preached in Japan, China, Australia, Iceland, and to the Eskimo's and Apache's here in North America at the time the above was written? Who went to all these places and preached?

Certainly no Calvinist would go across the room to reach a soul.

The gospel was preached to the whole world. The birthplace of the gospel was the crossroads of the world at the time. The gospel was carried into all the world by believers and unbelievers. God used men to spread the word and God used persecution to disperse men into the far reaches of the world.

Romans 1 teaches that God also reveals Himself in creation so that men will seek Him. Those who seek will find Him.

Even in the non-Calvinist churches men are not burdened to win souls to Christ. It is far easier to question eternal condemnation than to urgently warn folks they will receive eternal condemnation if they die apart from the Savior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jackson123]

Well, you do not know, its all just your theory.

So you cannot use this "God invites all" as an argument. It has not been proven. It would either had to be in the Bible or you would have to have proof from anybody who ever lived hat he was also invited.

History says that the Gospel spreader in the time and so God invited various nations in various points in time. Not everybody everywhere everytime, which is your theory.

is a matter of believe the Bible. For God so love the world, I believe He never lie, He did love the world

He don't want any perish. How He do? Beyond my capacity to understand, but for sure j3:16 is open invitation

 

[trofimus]

is a matter of believe the Bible. For God so love the world, I believe He never lie, He did love the world

He don't want any perish. How He do? Beyond my capacity to understand, but for sure j3:16 is open invitation

Does God love satan?

 

[Depleted]

Seem to me If there 100 sinner, and 10 predestine to save, that mean automatically 90 predestine to hell.

Right!

Then again, there are 100% sinners who all deserve Hell, and yet, God had mercy on some. And because he must be just -- being God and all -- that he had to do that through his own justice system. His justice system says someone who committed no sin, can die for ones who committed sin. So Jesus took on the punishment of some, despite what we deserve.

Do you have a problem with him choosing you? I sure don't! I couldn't be happier he chose me, because I understand what I deserve.

So, still left with why God doesn't save all.

And truthfully, that one is a big question mark whether you're Calvinist or not.

You say because the person deserves not to be saved, and, yup. We agree with you. We just up it to, "and neither do we."

 

[Depleted]

Nope. Try again.

Why not?

 

[Depleted]

If God had not sent the Christ, all of us would go to hell. He didn't have to do one thing for us to go there. However, He sent the Christ to redeem His ppl from their sins.[Matthew 1:21]

...and doesn't redeem those who aren't his people.

 

[Jackson123]

Does God love satan?

Satan was angel, He love angel, but sin separate Satan from God, did He love Satan, I never read in the Bible, did God love human, yes it is all over in the bible

 

[Depleted]

That is why I believe in free Will. I believe God is love and want every body save, for God so love the world so He invite every body to believe Him because He want every body save. Than is up to ppl to respon yes or no

Right. You take away God's sovereignty to give it to people. But people won't say yes on their own.
John 3:[FONT=&quot]19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Ultimately, you leave yourself with an inept god, "I wanted to, but I just didn't have the strength. Oopsie."[/FONT]

 

[trofimus]

Satan was angel, He love angel, but sin separate Satan from God, did He love Satan, I never read in the Bible, did God love human, yes it is all over in the bible

Where is it said that God love human(sic)s?

 

[Depleted]

yep, It is because He love the world John 3:16.

He does His part, now our part is easy, say Yes to Jesus, And save. Here our free Will take place.

STOP PULLING JOHN 3:16 OUT OF CONTEXT TO GET WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF A GOD!

I can play that game with your words too.

Do you love liver, brussel sprouts, and dandelion sandwiches?

You do, because you said, "yep"

Same thing you do when you use John 3:16, but skip the rest in John 3:17-21.

 

[Depleted]

This what I believe. God predestine Adam and eve to reside in the Garden of Eden, and If He have a children, the original plan is
That they also live in the beautiful Garden of Eden. So basically every body predestine to save and not die. But because of disobediance people die. Loving God longing to give a chance back to original predestine, He send His son to die oN the cross so whosoever believe Will be save. Now free Will play rule here, say yes or no

Free will is your inept god.

Yep, you truly twisted the scriptures to make a god you wanted.

 

[joefizz]

Where is it said that God love human(sic)s?

Good question I thought we were mankind and woman kind in the bible not humans lol!

 

[shrume]

Then again, there are 100% sinners who all deserve Hell, and yet, God had mercy on some.

God will have mercy on anyone who chooses to believe the gospel.

And because he must be just -- being God and all -- that he had to do that through his own justice system. His justice system says someone who committed no sin, can die for ones who committed sin. So Jesus took on the punishment of some, despite what we deserve.

Jesus Christ died for the sins of everyone (1 John 2:2).

Do you have a problem with him choosing you? I sure don't! I couldn't be happier he chose me, because I understand what I deserve.

He chose you because you decided to believe the gospel. He will do the same for anyone.

So, still left with why God doesn't save all.

Because not all choose to believe. God wants all people to choose to believe and become saved, but He gave people free will.

And truthfully, that one is a big question mark whether you're Calvinist or not.

It'a a problem only if you're a Calvinist. When you understand that God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4), and that He is not willing that any should perish (2 Pet 3:9), and that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), and that God gave people free will (Deut 30:19; Eze 33:11; Eph 1:13; Rom 10:9; Rev 22:17; John 3:16; and more), it's easy to understand why not all will be saved.

You say because the person deserves not to be saved, and, yup. We agree with you. We just up it to, "and neither do we."

Nobody deserves salvation. But because of the work of Jesus Christ, salvation is available to anyone who will choose to believe.