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I'm not 'rallying' to anyone, but I'm sure not 'rallying' to you with your papal propaganda.
Talking about 'Satan's minions...' well, don't get me started (again) shall we?
Talking about 'Satan's minions...' well, don't get me started (again) shall we?
Explain to me what you mean by your question "your line of thinking ends where?"
1. "Shall we reject the writing of the apostles because of Judas?" I don't see where that figures in; only three of the original 13 disciples wrote NT Books, and only two of the original twelve are recorded doing any signs or miracles though Jesus said they all would do such. Should we reject what is stated but not written? We can't reject any of the writings in the Bible, even if the one who wrote or the one about who it is written was in sin or error (e.g. Ecclesiastes and Job). If it is in the Bible, there is no further debate.
2. "Try removing the plank from your own eye." Be careful. Natural laws are pretty basic but spiritual laws are different. In the natural, you can be sick or healthy but not both; but in the spirit you can have areas of pride and areas humility in the same person. I say this to say that in while in natural things it is 'right' to throw stones at a person who is in the wrong, in spiritual things, everyone who throws stones is wrong (no matter who they are throwing it at), not just the one who threw it first.
1. "Shall we reject the writing of the apostles because of Judas?" I don't see where that figures in; only three of the original 13 disciples wrote NT Books, and only two of the original twelve are recorded doing any signs or miracles though Jesus said they all would do such. Should we reject what is stated but not written? We can't reject any of the writings in the Bible, even if the one who wrote or the one about who it is written was in sin or error (e.g. Ecclesiastes and Job). If it is in the Bible, there is no further debate.
2. "Try removing the plank from your own eye." Be careful. Natural laws are pretty basic but spiritual laws are different. In the natural, you can be sick or healthy but not both; but in the spirit you can have areas of pride and areas humility in the same person. I say this to say that in while in natural things it is 'right' to throw stones at a person who is in the wrong, in spiritual things, everyone who throws stones is wrong (no matter who they are throwing it at), not just the one who threw it first.
I could draw this one out by indicating the different meanings of 'judge'. Jesus said, "You will [judge, know, discern, recognize] them by their fruits" (Matt. 7:16). God judges what people teach, what people believe, what people do, etc. Jesus and the Bible tell us to exercise our discernment (judgment) in all things, and so we should whether it's what people teach or the sins they commit. You may be talking about 'judge' when it means 'condemn'. Regarding that, we aren't to condemn anyone for anything at all. But as far as judging and discerning and knowing people individually and corporately by their fruits (i.e who they really are on the inside, in the dark, behind closed doors when no one is around), Christians are to not just do that but exercise it: work it out, use it on a daily basis.
The main reason that Christians today are so liable to 'not judge' is because of fear. If God says to do something and you say you won't, it's either you know better or/and you're afraid. In this case, it's usually fear. But the Bible says that discernment or judgment (when it proceeds from the Holy Spirit in a Christian) actually comes with Love and not condemnation and states, "There is no fear in Love, because perfect Love casts out fear, because fear has to do with judgment (condemnation)" (1Jn. 4:18).
God says to judge because the judgment He speaks of is one that comes from Love, not condemnation; Christians who refuse to exercise discernment and try their best to make sure they don't see their neighbors' sins often act that way from fear-- fear of this or fear of that, but it's usually fear that curtails authentic spiritual discernment (judgment) as genuine judgment proceeds from Love but condemnation proceeds from fear (which is why Christians generally condemn others more readily than we connect with others; we are generally afraid). As for me and becoming a Christian, I didn't choose to become a Christian: God chose me right when I was judging Him; thank God He is above Christianity.
The main reason that Christians today are so liable to 'not judge' is because of fear. If God says to do something and you say you won't, it's either you know better or/and you're afraid. In this case, it's usually fear. But the Bible says that discernment or judgment (when it proceeds from the Holy Spirit in a Christian) actually comes with Love and not condemnation and states, "There is no fear in Love, because perfect Love casts out fear, because fear has to do with judgment (condemnation)" (1Jn. 4:18).
God says to judge because the judgment He speaks of is one that comes from Love, not condemnation; Christians who refuse to exercise discernment and try their best to make sure they don't see their neighbors' sins often act that way from fear-- fear of this or fear of that, but it's usually fear that curtails authentic spiritual discernment (judgment) as genuine judgment proceeds from Love but condemnation proceeds from fear (which is why Christians generally condemn others more readily than we connect with others; we are generally afraid). As for me and becoming a Christian, I didn't choose to become a Christian: God chose me right when I was judging Him; thank God He is above Christianity.
Well, I think your picture feeds into the false "Lion and the Lamb" thing.
Revelations speaks of a lion and a lamb in chapter 5.
The lamb, however, is standing(and appears to be slain).
I want my RC relatives to have a personal, intimate, growing relationship with the Lord. My goal is to let the fruits of the Spirit transmit when I'm around them.
Shortly after I was spiritually renewed/born-again, I was very critical of RCism and very preachy(perhaps condescending) towards family members. I don't think it was helpful.
Revelations speaks of a lion and a lamb in chapter 5.
The lamb, however, is standing(and appears to be slain).
I want my RC relatives to have a personal, intimate, growing relationship with the Lord. My goal is to let the fruits of the Spirit transmit when I'm around them.
Shortly after I was spiritually renewed/born-again, I was very critical of RCism and very preachy(perhaps condescending) towards family members. I don't think it was helpful.
The Lion shall lie down with the lamb is a false memorization of Isaiah 11. In this Chapter, the Holy Spirit reveals through Isaiah the prophecies of the Messiah, specifically referencing the Root of Jesse and the shoot that will come out of it, Jesus obviously. However, I digress, its a mismemorization of the sixth verse, "And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the young goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together, and a little child will lead them ."
I'm pretty sure with all the doctrines true and false going around and the immense amounts of confusion among Christians, my picture isn't feeding anyone. Lol. If you approach God through doctrines, you will always be lacking and wanting and never satisfied. (You ever note some of the things unsatisfied Christians do upon leaving church on Sunday morning-afternoon... like making for a restaurant to eat and 'fill up in themselves (their bodies and souls) where they are lacking <spiritual nutrition from church>'?) Don't worry about pictures depicting reclining lambs when the Bible talks about standing lambs. The Bible says to skip all the duty and tradition and rules and regulations (when you come out of Catholicism, it can take a while or forever to shed all the rules draped heavy on your shoulders from their customs) and to "come boldly before the throne of Grace" in order to obtain empathy (and not more confusion) and therefore receive from God the Grace (impartation, blessing, strength, revelation, etc.) you need for that specific time or season. I know the Charismatic churches are often blocking people's way to the throne and into the Kingdom too while introducing 'another Jesus' and 'another Kingdom' which does not satisfy; but the way to satisfaction and peace of mind is through 'a personal relationship with Jesus', the Person, not the Bible.
If you care for your Catholic family, don't put them above God. Paul was warned not to go to Jerusalem but he still went because he cared for his fellow Jews so much... and he suffered for it. God may call you to separate from them and "not be unequally yoked." Whatever you choose, it's important to at least know that your family is composed of people like you, not necessarily blood relations. Being critical of anyone after salvation is actually proof towards either a false salvation experience or a true salvation experience but then being joined to false Christians who would rather hate than love. People who have time to hate have too much time on their hands and are deceived. Jesus had authority to hate and condemn all humanity, but He came to save rather than condemn. Humanity has no right to hate humanity (which is why forgiveness is a command and not a choice: if we don't forgive, we cannot and will not be forgiven), because all humanity is sinful and therefore we all alike are criminals in regard to sin. Rather than bothering about how to love your Catholic family or how not to hate this other thing (i.e. rather than being concerned with how to be a good Christian), it is better to just pursue God for what He wants you to be 'bothered' about; that way, you will never find yourself wasting your time, and you'll have peace.
If you care for your Catholic family, don't put them above God. Paul was warned not to go to Jerusalem but he still went because he cared for his fellow Jews so much... and he suffered for it. God may call you to separate from them and "not be unequally yoked." Whatever you choose, it's important to at least know that your family is composed of people like you, not necessarily blood relations. Being critical of anyone after salvation is actually proof towards either a false salvation experience or a true salvation experience but then being joined to false Christians who would rather hate than love. People who have time to hate have too much time on their hands and are deceived. Jesus had authority to hate and condemn all humanity, but He came to save rather than condemn. Humanity has no right to hate humanity (which is why forgiveness is a command and not a choice: if we don't forgive, we cannot and will not be forgiven), because all humanity is sinful and therefore we all alike are criminals in regard to sin. Rather than bothering about how to love your Catholic family or how not to hate this other thing (i.e. rather than being concerned with how to be a good Christian), it is better to just pursue God for what He wants you to be 'bothered' about; that way, you will never find yourself wasting your time, and you'll have peace.
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here is a hint...'your side is for pedophilia' is not a good opening statement when you are trying to win someone over to your side...
it especially doesn't help your cause when the person making the case is on the record espousing things that sane and informed people can easily recognize as unrestrained malarkey...
the debate over roman catholicism versus protestantism is most effective when the focus is on the doctrinal issues...if you focus on evil actions committed by individual roman catholics...they will just rebut with something about dennis rader or the peasants' war or the salem witch hysteria or something like that...
it especially doesn't help your cause when the person making the case is on the record espousing things that sane and informed people can easily recognize as unrestrained malarkey...
the debate over roman catholicism versus protestantism is most effective when the focus is on the doctrinal issues...if you focus on evil actions committed by individual roman catholics...they will just rebut with something about dennis rader or the peasants' war or the salem witch hysteria or something like that...
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After reading this I realized there is no point in trying to discuss anything with you. If you actually believe that, you need to have your head examined. Because:
1) It never said that
2) It never did that
3) That would be impossible to do
Where people get this stuff and these made up numbers, I have no idea. How someone like yourself who is capable to writing could believe it is even more surprising.
1) It never said that
2) It never did that
3) That would be impossible to do
Where people get this stuff and these made up numbers, I have no idea. How someone like yourself who is capable to writing could believe it is even more surprising.