FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS...MORE WILL BE GIVEN.. what does this mean?????

[eternally-gratefull]

I have gone to the people themselves...their sites and videos...not second hand news...but sourced properly...I suggest serious people do that if they believe the seriousness of these issues

I have had rumors spread about myself, so I take care not to do to others what I would not done to me

anyway...not my place to convince someone when all the info they need for themselves is out there

Thats what it takes. Amen,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do miss some of the people who were tossed out...not everyone...but some

people got so hot under the collar

you and me both, I was getting ready to do an indepth study of romans 9 - 11 with one of them right when he got banned, Did not have time to even get his email. I think some people did it on purpose to get people banned, it was sad all around.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

you and me both, I was getting ready to do an indepth study of romans 9 - 11 with one of them right when he got banned, Did not have time to even get his email. I think some people did it on purpose to get people banned, it was sad all around.

well...sorry..I never worked to get anyone banned no matter how much I disagreed with them...I figure that is what the iggy button (as blue calls it) is for

it's not a good practice to try to get rid of someone because they irk you...I would be dangerous on the road if that was legit

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here you go my friend, right from his mouth.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQbGnJd9poc

Lance Wallnau Explains the Seven Mountains

well I am 2.5 minutes in and already want to puke.

1. It semas he is trying to use the 7 mountain senerio of prophesy and spiritualise is to mean things which God wants the church to do to transform nations, or make them one.

2. He says go make disciples of all nations means to transform nations. Even though the nation was not even in context. Or what jesus was tryign to say, He said to go into EVERY nation and make disciples of each of those nations. Not trransform nations. (And here I thought Amillenials were bad at butchering the word, this is worse)

Let me try to listen to the rest..

3. OMG what bible version is he using? “Go therefor and TEACH ALL NATIONS”???? What bible says this nonsense?? (It makes sense if this is what he is using to support his view, his support is screwed up to begin with!!)

4. He then says it is the teaching aspect. To teach nations? WHAT???? Jesus did not say to teach NATIONS, he said to teach DISCIPLES!! You can not teach anyone UNTIL they are saved first. You do not save NATIONS. you save PEOPLE.

Ok, I am 4 minutes in and I can not listen anymore. what nonsense. Abraham WAS promised to the the father of many nations. And he gave birth to many nations. (Which is what he meant, again they spiritualise the word and butcher it) But God did not command the church to go and make nations christian so qwe could fulfill Gods promise to Abraham, Abraham was told that ALL NATIONS would be blessed by him., through his son Jesus,. It happens when people IN THOSE NATIONS are saved, As god blesses those epople. The nation is blessed. Yet the bible makes it clear. That even though the gospel will be given to al nations. As a WHOLE the nations will reject and the only time they will be unified is under the antichrist when he is revealed. .and all nations will nto become Christian Until Christ himself returns.

This type of teaching is dangerous. Period!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

well...sorry..I never worked to get anyone banned no matter how much I disagreed with them...I figure that is what the iggy button (as blue calls it) is for

it's not a good practice to try to get rid of someone because they irk you...I would be dangerous on the road if that was legit

You and me both

 

[Nehemiah6]

Joanie Have you heard of Lance Walnau? His teachings on the seven mountains of influence are tremendous. Was just watching him on periscope speaking to a group in Texas.

SOF

Now you have joined JM in promoting FALSE TEACHERS AND FALSE PROPHETS. Lance Walnau -- a buddy of Andrew Wommack -- is another false teacher/false prophet like Joseph Prince and Paul Ellis.

So what is this fascination with false teachers? Is the truth of the Bible too insipid that you and others run after their teachings? These men twist the Scriptures for their own gain. Prince took that verse from Matthew 25 totally out of context and your response is "Hallelujah!" Unbelievable.

 

[Nehemiah6]

it's not a good practice to try to get rid of someone because they irk you...

If they irk you because of their false teachings, they should be banned. There are hundreds of people coming to CC who presumably are seeking to learn (since they do not participate). One does not need a pound of spiritual poison to contaminate a person. Sometimes a milligram or a microgram is deadly.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If they irk you because of their false teachings, they should be banned. There are hundreds of people coming to CC who presumably are seeking to learn (since they do not participate). One does not need a pound of spiritual poison to contaminate a person. Sometimes a milligram or a microgram is deadly.

well you know the flip side of that one...according to some, we are the false teachers

we continue to expose and refute what is false

I KNOW I irk some...would like to see me banned...so irkiness is not a factor

 

[7seasrekeyed]

well I am 2.5 minutes in and already want to puke.

1. It semas he is trying to use the 7 mountain senerio of prophesy and spiritualise is to mean things which God wants the church to do to transform nations, or make them one.

2. He says go make disciples of all nations means to transform nations. Even though the nation was not even in context. Or what jesus was tryign to say, He said to go into EVERY nation and make disciples of each of those nations. Not trransform nations. (And here I thought Amillenials were bad at butchering the word, this is worse)

Let me try to listen to the rest..

3. OMG what bible version is he using? “Go therefor and TEACH ALL NATIONS”???? What bible says this nonsense?? (It makes sense if this is what he is using to support his view, his support is screwed up to begin with!!)

4. He then says it is the teaching aspect. To teach nations? WHAT???? Jesus did not say to teach NATIONS, he said to teach DISCIPLES!! You can not teach anyone UNTIL they are saved first. You do not save NATIONS. you save PEOPLE.

Ok, I am 4 minutes in and I can not listen anymore. what nonsense. Abraham WAS promised to the the father of many nations. And he gave birth to many nations. (Which is what he meant, again they spiritualise the word and butcher it) But God did not command the church to go and make nations christian so qwe could fulfill Gods promise to Abraham, Abraham was told that ALL NATIONS would be blessed by him., through his son Jesus,. It happens when people IN THOSE NATIONS are saved, As god blesses those epople. The nation is blessed. Yet the bible makes it clear. That even though the gospel will be given to al nations. As a WHOLE the nations will reject and the only time they will be unified is under the antichrist when he is revealed. .and all nations will nto become Christian Until Christ himself returns.

This type of teaching is dangerous. Period!!

and you are just seeing some of the iceburg

a whole lotta more of the same under the water...which is why they are always pouring oil on it...but you know oil burns even on water

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I think most Christians can agree that Jesus wasn't teaching about material prosperity in Matthew 25:29, but has anyone posted any thoughts on what He was teaching?

I think He was talking about...like...the measure of faith we are given, if we don't treasure it and grow it with His help.
Like getting a bicycle or a dog and then you don't value it or take care of it, so your parent takes it away from you to teach you to value ito

You feed on the word, like it's milk. And you read that you aren't to worry about provision, money like the unbelievers do, food, rent, etc. So the first struggle for me was to have the obedience of trust in what He said there. It wasn't a short or easy struggle.
I met God and all the things I would have least expected to happen, happened. Hard things. Things that should have made me go back to the world but didn't somehow.

I see now that the trust He gave me is a very precious thing. There's nothing worth anything more than my trust. And He let me face those hard and difficult things to make my trust unshakeable, to grow it.

You have to BELIEVE Him about earthly things, like provision, before He can tell you of heavenly things. It's no use to say you do believe Him when you prove by anxious worrying that you don't. You have to face the trial of where the heck the moneys going to come to pay the rent or I'll be on the STREET, and come through it and see that He has told you the truth.

The most precious thing He gives us is our trust. Starts as a small seed. Then we are "those who have."

So I think it means...to those who have, because they were given, and who treasure and grow what they've been given, more will be given. But to those who have, because they were given, who don't treasure and grow what they've been given, what little they have will be taken from them.

This also ties in with the parable of the talents.

 

[FlyingDove]

If they irk you because of their false teachings, they should be banned.

Nehemiah6, Then you should be banned.

The 2 most important NT commandments. LOVE God & LOVE other Christians.

I challenge everyone to read all Nehemiah6 posts (I have) & find ONE POST that's loving or encouraging towards anyone.

I then challenge you to read all joaniemarie posts. You will find her seeking the Holy Spirits guidance, encouraging, praying with & for others. Trying to share messages that blessed her. Only to be repeatedly trolled, attacked & trashed by Nehemiah6. Read her loving replies to these unwarranted attacks. I don't agree with everything she posts. However, I am offended by those that attack her personally. And continue to talk about banning her. Because they disagree with people she listens to. Faith comes by hearing & hearing by the Word of God

 

[Nehemiah6]

Nehemiah6, Then you should be banned.

I'm just surprised the moderators have allowed you to stick around, instead of asking you to take a flying leap. You go ahead and ask them to ban me, and chances are they will take that as extreme prejudice and ban you.

 

[blue_ladybug]

If you 2 aren't careful, ya both gonna get banned... :/

 

[FlyingDove]

I'm just surprised the moderators have allowed you to stick around, instead of asking you to take a flying leap. You go ahead and ask them to ban me, and chances are they will take that as extreme prejudice and ban you.

This post was been reported

 

[7seasrekeyed]

IMO, this little personality skirmish is actually a case of I agree with the op and you don't so I'm going to make it personal

the op has actually tried that one on me several times

read the TOS....disagreement of beliefs is not an automatic termination and goading someone on is not exactly a virtue

so good...somebody takes the op's side because somebody points out they irked by the constant dripping of Prince posts

no supper for anyone

but me...I'm allowed and maybe 1 or 2 others

just trying to add a little humor because it's ridiculous

anybody want some worms?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If you 2 aren't careful, ya both gonna get banned... :/

I had to get a sweater

 

[joaniemarie]

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Let me hear of your unfailing love each morning, for I am trusting you. Show me where to walk, for I give myself to you. Psalm 143:8​

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Got talent?​

In the parable of the talents in Matthew 25:14-30, Jesus talks about the man that was given just one talent. When his master returned, he discovered the man had taken the gift and hidden it. When pressed for an explanation as to why, the man explained that he believed the master who gave him the gift was a "hard man, one who took what he wanted when he wanted it." Of course, the master was no such man and couldn't understand how someone could be given a gift they didn't have to work for and then hide the gift from view and at the same time misrepresent the one who gave the gift.


In this parable, the "talents" literally represent money but the principle is true for whatever God gives us. Some will understand how gracious and extravagant the gift is and will take that gift they have received and invest it into others. This act of faithfulness in turn multiplies the gift. So every time you give away what God has gifted you with, it enlarges the gift you gave away in you.


There are some people today who have received the free gift of God's love and grace but because they don't have a revelation of who has given them the gift, they don't know how to invest it into others. In God's economy, "we freely receive and freely give." Those who live in fear of losing what they were freely given, don't know the giver of the gift. They believe he is a harsh and angry man and being only concerned about themselves, they don't invest the gift that is designed to be invested or given away, and instead they bury and hide their gift where it doesn't benefit anyone. The man who hid his free gift was called wicked and unfaithful.

There is a lost and hurting world who is in desperate need to know about a gift that is free from God called salvation. To hide this gift or to misrepresent the One who is giving the gift as "hard" is truly a wicked thing. Every gift God gives us is intended to be given away. This is the way God, through us, invests in people. You are blessed to be a blessing!


For it is by grace that you have been saved, though faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God-not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

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Well there's enough rabbit trails tonight. Back on track.....

 

[joaniemarie]

Joanie

Have you heard of Lance Walnau? His teachings on the seven mountains of influence are tremendous. Was just watching him on periscope speaking to a group in Texas.

I really think this scripture goes with what what I am hearing from him, because when we begin to understand that we are to be the head, and not the tail, , we will impact the world in greater force.

Some of the church has not yet woke up.

Also, he has influence now with President Trump. That song currently popular, resonates in my heart when I hear these things....God is on the move Hallelujah!

Hey Stonesoffire.,

YES I heard that guy before! It was either the day or night of the Presidential elections here in the U.S. Actually I think it was posted in the political forum at the time. I remember that man's voice and face. He was in a Jerusalem hotel room after meeting with other Christian's in Israel praying for the U.S. elections. He uploaded his views on the elections and that he and others in Israel had prayed for the outcome that the liberals would not win. And encouraged other believers to do the same.


I was in total agreement with him (will try and find the video) that if Hillary got in., there would be a worse mess than we had before. I praised the LORD along with millions of other Christian Americans that night for miraculously answering our prayers that Trump would win.

imo God gave us a reprieve here in the U.S. What an answer to prayer that was! God bless America!

Many of us Christian Americans prayed for the miracle while also knowing how far down our country has gone into ungodliness and could very well be looking at the ungodly Clinton family being in the Whitehouse again . My mom was an Irish Catholic and from an early age she told us kids about abortion and how the the voting process went. How important it was for us to vote.


I've seen how the news here in America has turned into "FAKE-NEWS" and how false info and gossip spreads here so I would not be surprised if many who don't believe in voting as a believer would say we who do believe we should vote and be involved in all aspects of the process of law ., are trying to make a heaven on earth.

Hogwash.



Nothing could be further from the truth. It is our responsibility to speak out for those who don't have a voice like the unborn and the elderly and the uneducated masses. It's our job as Christians to take care of people while we are here on earth.


IMO., voting is my responsibility even more so as a Christian to see good laws passed., good men and woman voted in and evil men and woman and their evil ideologies voted out. If other Christians don't agree that is their right. But I see it differently.


I listened to the video and found nothing wrong with what the Lance N. said. It's just his idea put on paper and given a title. I have no intention of calling him heretical or evil. He is a believer who sees the way our system works. TV and the internet and the way we live as countries is influenced by those who are in control at the top of the political scale. They make laws on trade and other policies concerning all the countries in the world.


8yrs of Obama shows how far we went even to the degree of not being freely able to say Jesus, pray or even say Merry Christmas. Obama's administration didn't even want people to be proud to be Americans. That is what happens when a godless bunch of people run our country. Abortion rights along with homosexuality and transgender influences destroying the already messed up family structure.


Salvation is not found in men or in countries it's found in Jesus Christ.
The Good News is going out all over the world and Christians are taking part in that process by being involved in TV, the net and Politics.,etc... Look at our Vice President Pence. I'm so thankful for him. Also Sarah Sanders and her dad Sen. Huckabee.

Those are amazing Christians in key positions around a powerful man in the White house who influences the world. I'm sure there are many more Christians around the President who are influencing him for Jesus and the saving of souls and lives around the world. Just look at how they are putting our embassy in Jerusalem. Major stuff.


Fighting ISLAM and ISIS and other horrible ideologies that have no regard for human life is another thing we are called to. My son was in Iraq and was injured. As a Marine Mom I also have a great love for our young people in the military. They go out in harms way to keep us and our country and it's core values safe. Yet how many homeless vets are scattered all over? It's shameful.

We Christians IMO have a responsibility to speak out and vote and be aware of politics so much so that we are wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Thank you for posting the video Stonesoffire. I will check out more later.

It didn't shock me at all that those who routinely condemn Christians who disagree with them here would have a horrible opinion about Lance L. from the get go. Don't let it discourage you.

Christians who are out there in the trenches doing something for the Lord Jesus and the lost sheep will be., I'm sad to say condemned and bad mouthed by those who are sitting at home in front of their computers nit picking all who are not exactly the same as they are.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But a group of people spent over a year trying to refuter hypergrace and the gospel bieng taught, and failed miserably (many of them are no longer hear most likely because of it) because every time they tried, they said things which were not true, and kept continuing on a false pretense, which made them look bad.

I wouldn't say that it failed miserably because there's now a sticky on the main forum that makes clear CC's position on the matter.

We (Christian Chat) believe that the doctrine of Hyper-Grace as preached by some "big name" pastors is just as much in error as the legalism pushed by others.

I think that's a big plus.

Click > http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

it is

but Prince is the origin of the word hypergrace...if not, pretty close so half a dozen one and 6 of the other

I think Michael Brown either originated that name, or was the person who popularized it. I'm pretty sure that it's roots go back to the word of faith movement. Jimmy Swaggert taught Hyper-Faith, and hypergrace came out of the word of faith movement via Prince.

Update: Oops. my bad. Swaggert taught against Hyper-Faith.