FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS...MORE WILL BE GIVEN.. what does this mean?????

joaniemarie · Mar 17, 2018

Hello Stunned., God didn't "strip" me of anything. Everything in this life is temporal except God's love for us and His provision. I., like many Christians gave place to the world... the flesh.. and the devil. That is not God's fault. I have a free will to believe or to not believe. Most of my adult life I didn't even know about the love and grace of God even though I was saved for most of those years.

Physical health is something I believe we have been given in the atonement and we can maintain it by maintaining the position of victory over those things. Jesus gave us many things when He redeemed us and became our Savior and He is also called the Last Adam. We all will eventually die but like Mosses., I believe we can live for a long time without being sick. Daily learning to claim the promises in the Bible that Jesus died to give is a day by day walk.

satan is the one who kills., steals and destroys. Those bad things in my life are not of God in Christ. Jesus said I came to give them life and that more abundantly.

As I said in my post., I've learned not to compare my life with others. I don't "discount" what others go through or their testimonies about it. I do however strive to keeping my own eyes on Jesus because He is the ONLY way to have steady victory in life. He gave it and He is the one who maintains it.

I'm happy for you and Praise the Lord that you are blessed stunned.

joaniemarie · Mar 17, 2018

Here is part of a devotional I just read tonight that ties into this very subject as faith always ties into the subject of trusting in Jesus and not in ourselves.

There are believers who see themselves as incomplete. This is because they are conscious of their lack and imperfections. They say, “There are so many things imperfect about me! How can I be complete if there are so many things I am lacking in?” They see their weaknesses, condemn themselves and feel inferior to others.

The good news is that God does not see the way man sees. Man sees the flesh. God sees the spirit. He sees us already complete in Christ. In spite of our imperfections, He sees us as new creations, partakers of His divine nature and more than conquerors over our faults. And He wants us to see ourselves the way He sees us.

What we think we need or are lacking in, whether it is godly character traits or physical health, we already have in Christ.
You are not going to be complete in Christ some day—you are already complete in Christ! And what remains for you to do is to walk daily in that completeness by believing that it is true and confessing that what you need right now, Jesus is to you. He is your complete forgiveness, complete righteousness, complete favor and complete protection.

So don’t focus on the lack you see in your life. Focus instead on how in Christ, you are complete in everything at this moment. And instead of weaknesses, lack and defects, you will see His strength, wholeness, soundness and completeness manifesting in you.

Colossians 2:10... and you are complete in Him., who is the head of all principality and power.

joaniemarie · Mar 17, 2018

While getting ready to hit the road on my way to work tonight., I know how important it is to get read up and prayed up. Reading and saying and memorizing verses that talk about His love and grace. He made us co laborers. He will not force anyone to chose to read and pray and believe.

2 Cor. 9:8 [SUP]8 [/SUP]And God is able to make all grace come to you in abundance, so that you may always and under all circumstances and whatever the need [SUP][d][/SUP]be self-sufficient [possessing enough to require no aid or support and furnished in abundance for every good work.

Knowing these truths and confessing them above the odd circumstances in life. They will come each day to everyone and the Bible says we can walk life in His sufficiency and not in our own sufficiency when dealing with each circumstance. That's why it's important to call those things that are not seen by our physical eye as if they were.

Hebrews 11:1 11 Now faith is the assurance (the confirmation, [SUP][a][/SUP]the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses]

I believe they call it a positive confession.

Words matter because they make a statement about what a Christian believes. The tongue is talked about in the Bible so many times. Proverbs 12:17-19
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17 [/SUP]He who breathes out truth shows forth righteousness (uprightness and right standing with God), but a false witness utters deceit.
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18 [/SUP]There are those who speak rashly, like the piercing of a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.
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19 [/SUP]Truthful lips shall be established forever, but a lying tongue is [credited] but for a moment.

15:4 A gentle tongue [with its healing power] is a tree of life, but willful contrariness in it breaks down the spirit.

18:20-21 [SUP]20 [/SUP]A man’s [moral] self shall be filled with the fruit of his mouth; and with the consequence of his words he must be satisfied [whether good or evil].
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21 [/SUP]Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and they who indulge in it shall eat the fruit of it [for death or life].

Stunnedbygrace · Mar 18, 2018

joaniemarie said:

So...you believe that God did not have a hand in you losing everything but that it was through your own fault, by giving place to the world, the flesh and the devil, that you lost everything? And then a rich man who doesn't know God - he has kept his temporal wealth even though he gives place to the world, the flesh and the devil. So why did he do the same thing as you and yet he didn't lose his wealth as you did?

What I mean is: you and the man who has not lost his wealth did the same exact thing. So why is the result not the same for him?

UnderGrace · Mar 18, 2018

Plenty of wealthy people loose their wealth, they are sometimes believers and sometimes not.

Stunnedbygrace said:

So...you believe that God did not have a hand in you losing everything but that it was through your own fault, by giving place to the world, the flesh and the devil, that you lost everything? And then a rich man who doesn't know God - he has kept his temporal wealth even though he gives place to the world, the flesh and the devil. So why did he do the same thing as you and yet he didn't lose his wealth as you did?

What I mean is: you and the man who has not lost his wealth did the same exact thing. So why is the result not the same for him?

Stunnedbygrace · Mar 18, 2018

UnderGrace said:

Oh, you again...

Exactly! That was my point.
She thinks she lost her wealth because she gave way to the world, flesh and devil.
So then, I need an explanation as to how EVERYONE who gives way to the world, flesh and devil does not lose their wealth.
In other words, she will have to explain Hollywood to me! Why don't they all lose their wealth for doing the same thing she did?

joaniemarie · Mar 18, 2018

Stunnedbygrace said:

What I believe is what the Bible says about sin. Sin shakes out the same in everyone's life eventually... sin brings death in all it's many forms. Some quicker than others. Romans 6:23 [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages which sin pays is death, but the [bountiful] free gift of God is eternal life through (in union with) Jesus Christ our Lord.

You nor I or anyone can't possibly say one person does exactly the same as another person. Each human is an individual unique to that persons footprint on planet earth. My choices are specific to my whole life...how I was born., raised., taught and those are just a tiny few reasons why we never compare ourselves to others.

But what strikes me about your question Stunned is you are quick to see God based on what is going on in other people's lives. This I've observed many people do as well as many Christians. I did it for years without a second thought and have to guard against that kind of thinking every day. Comparing our selves with ourselves and by ourselves and others is not wise.
2 Cor. 10:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that we [have the audacity to] venture to class or [even to] compare ourselves with some who exalt and furnish testimonials for themselves! However, when they measure themselves with themselves and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding and behave unwisely.

We are called instead as believers to look to Jesus and the Bible through the revealing of the truth by the Holy Spirit to be our compass. And see things through the Spirit's leading not our own understanding. 1 Cor.2:9-

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But, on the contrary, as the Scripture says, What eye has not seen and ear has not heard and has not entered into the heart of man, [all that] God has prepared (made and keeps ready) for those who love Him [[SUP][a][/SUP]who hold Him in affectionate reverence, promptly obeying Him and gratefully recognizing the benefits He has bestowed].
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10 [/SUP]Yet to us God has unveiled and revealed them by and through His Spirit, for the [Holy] Spirit searches diligently, exploring and examining everything, even sounding the profound and bottomless things of God [the [SUP][b][/SUP]divine counsels and things hidden and beyond man’s scrutiny].
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11 [/SUP]For what person perceives (knows and understands) what passes through a man’s thoughts except the man’s own spirit within him? Just so no one discerns (comes to know and comprehend) the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
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12 [/SUP]Now we have not received the spirit [that belongs to] the world, but the [Holy] Spirit Who is from God, [given to us] that we might realize and comprehend and appreciate the gifts [of divine favor and blessing so freely and lavishly] bestowed on us by God.
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13 [/SUP]And we are setting these truths forth in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the [Holy] Spirit, combining and interpreting spiritual truths with spiritual language [to those who possess the Holy Spirit].
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14 [/SUP]But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
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15 [/SUP]But the spiritual man tries all things [he [SUP][c][/SUP]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

Stunned., I hope you read those verses and don't just skim over them because you disagree with me. It's the Bible that instructs us and it applies to believers telling us how to interpret life here. We have to do it by that One on one relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Comparing spiritual things with spiritual things and that can only be done by the Holy Spirit working in us. The Holy Spirit will not force His infilling each day. The Bible says to "be ye being filled". It's our choice.

We can go our whole lives in wrong thinking if we choose. I could have avoided many of the pitfalls I experienced in my life had I given place to the Spirit's leading. Instead I allowed my flesh by way of wrong understanding of who God is and how God works with His people to direct me.

But we Christians know that there is a way that seems right to a man but the way thereof are the ways of death. Prov.14:12 Even a Christian can put themselves outside of God's will because they gave place to the thinking of the world... the flesh and the devil. Those things will for sure ruin our lives. It wasn't God's fault or intention for our lives.

The Spirit is apposed to the flesh and the flesh to the Spirit. They are contrary one to another. Gal.5:16-17

[SUP]16 [/SUP]But I say, walk and live [habitually] in the [Holy] Spirit [responsive to and controlled and guided by the Spirit]; then you will certainly not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh (of human nature without God).
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17 [/SUP]For the desires of the flesh are opposed to the [Holy] Spirit, and the [desires of the] Spirit are opposed to the flesh (godless human nature); for these are antagonistic to each other [continually withstanding and in conflict with each other], so that you are not free but are prevented from doing what you desire to do.

We each have to make that individual choice every single day of our lives how we are going to be lead... by our flesh or by the Spirit. We have a choice. No one can make that choice for us and we can't make these choices by looking at other people. If we look at what is going on in other people's lives for our direction., we will fall in a pit. The world-flesh-devil are the 3 things that come against us and lead us away from the truth.

UnderGrace · Mar 18, 2018

Yes me again sweetie...

Well I am thinking that we cannot compare believers and unbelievers

As well, giving way to the world may be one reason a believer looses wealth, that are a multiplicity of reasons many beyond anyone's sole control like... the mismanagement of a company, corporate downsizing, health, marital breakdown, identity theft etc., etc.,

This is what she believes has happened to her, it is not a statement to be applied to everyone is what I am thinking.

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Stunnedbygrace · Mar 18, 2018

Joanie, I'm not sure I DO disagree with you. Sometimes, you seem to get 4 by adding 2+2 and I seem to get 4 by adding 3+1. We both have arrived at 4, but in different ways.

You say you weren't trusting in God but in your own wits to try to pull you out of the poverty you had fallen into.
I say I wasn't trusting in God but was furiously trying in my strength to turn my situation around.

Our only difference appears to be that I think God put me into the poverty to grow my trust and get me to a place where I almost had no other option left to me BUT to trust Him and you think He would never take away a crutch like money to get you to that blessed place of trust.

So...you asked me not to skip over the verses just because I disagree with you, but I'm not sure I DO disagree with you all that much. Because we have both arrived at 4.( radical trust.)

It's really the oddest thing. Not sure what to think about it, honestly...
In both of our accounts, our situations turned around when we began to trust Him rather than ourselves to help us.

Stunnedbygrace · Mar 18, 2018

And you have a very, very different understanding of some verses than me but if you are radically trusting Him for everything you need, both temporally and spiritually, it doesn't matter. All that matters is trusting Him more and more and more. All that matters is arriving at 4.

oldethennew · Mar 18, 2018

MATT. 7:22-23.
Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name?
and in Thy Name have cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, you that work iniquity.

Stunnedbygrace · Mar 19, 2018

That's...er...random...

joaniemarie · Mar 19, 2018

Stunnedbygrace said:

Hi Stunned., I've been away from the computer the last few days. It's always nice to come into some kind of agreement with each other on cc. Yes., we do see these verses differently for sure. Will comment more later. Thanks for your posts.

seed_time_harvest · Mar 19, 2018

In my opinion those who have will be given more and those who do not have even that that he does have will be taken Is talking about conditional sanctification ,I think this because salvation Is about a person being made perfect and sealed so then It can't be talking about that.

Grace FOR Grace

A person who has been given more would have to be about grace to that person so that they can be a blessing FOR someone else but If GOD wants to use a person and that person doesn't want to be obedient for the other person GOD will put them on a shelf so to speak and find someone else to get the blessing to that other person.

This Is just an opinion though.

joaniemarie · Mar 20, 2018

Stunnedbygrace said:

I think it's because the Bible says because of Jesus we are now adopted into the family and our relationship with God is now He is our Father and because of Jesus He deals with us according to grace. He deals with us according to His Spirit and we are taught by the Word. The Bible calls it the washing of the water of the Word.

Some Christians believe God is like human parents and we should expect God to teach us the same way. I made a major mess of my parenting so I can see how skewed this reasoning can become. We meant well but our human reasoning as parents always got in the way and we really messed up as parents and our kids suffered for it as did we.

God doesn't send mixed messages. He doesn't say I love you so I'm going to kill you for your own good. I love you but don't ever cross Me or I will make you regret it...for your own good... I love you but don't ever try to get one over on Me... for your own good.

We have the new creation born in us now and we have the Holy Spirit and the Word. We learn a new way as Romans 8:1-2 say. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. We are dealt with according to our new relationship to God in the new man.

If I chose to walk in my flesh it's not God who goes anywhere from me. It's me who moves away from God and and all He provides me with as I'm walking with Him. Walking in the Spirit I'm accessing my born again spirit man who sees things by the Spirit. I'm accessing the Holy Spirit by submitting to His reasoning and teachings and not my own.

Walking in the flesh brings confusion... sin..., and all those things in Gal.5 that distinguish between those who walk in the flesh and those who walk in the Spirit. The death in sin is already at work. If we choose to walk in sin, we eventually will die after much mess and confusion. Will post the verses about the washing of the water of the word.... and others in another post.

joaniemarie · Mar 20, 2018

seed_time_harvest said:

Thanks for posting Seed_Time., I believe we miss opportunities for service if we don't take them. As we miss opportunities for many blessings if we don't act in faith. God can always call another person who is willing to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit for service and blessings.

I don't believe God ever puts us on the shelf. I believe we put ourselves on the shelf by our own ignorance and unbelief. I have a strong aversion to blaming God for my own lack of faith and reason. I see God as always always giving and providing and dealing with us according to the grace Jesus paid for us to have. It is us who take ourselves out of the place of blessing to walk according to our flesh.

It's always us who open a door to the world.... the flesh.... and the devil. I cannot blame God for the bad things that happen to me in this world.

Stunnedbygrace · Mar 20, 2018

joaniemarie said:

I think it's because the Bible says because of Jesus we are now adopted into the family and our relationship with God is now He is our Father and because of Jesus He deals with us according to grace. He deals with us according to His Spirit and we are taught by the Word. The Bible calls it the washing of the water of the Word.

Some Christians believe God is like human parents and we should expect God to teach us the same way. I made a major mess of my parenting so I can see how skewed this reasoning can become. We meant well but our human reasoning as parents always got in the way and we really messed up as parents and our kids suffered for it as did we.

God doesn't send mixed messages. He doesn't say I love you so I'm going to kill you for your own good. I love you but don't ever cross Me or I will make you regret it...for your own good... I love you but don't ever try to get one over on Me... for your own good.

We have the new creation born in us now and we have the Holy Spirit and the Word. We learn a new way as Romans 8:1-2 say. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. We are dealt with according to our new relationship to God in the new man.

If I chose to walk in my flesh it's not God who goes anywhere from me. It's me who moves away from God and and all He provides me with as I'm walking with Him. Walking in the Spirit I'm accessing my born again spirit man who sees things by the Spirit. I'm accessing the Holy Spirit by submitting to His reasoning and teachings and not my own.

Walking in the flesh brings confusion... sin..., and all those things in Gal.5 that distinguish between those who walk in the flesh and those who walk in the Spirit. The death in sin is already at work. If we choose to walk in sin, we eventually will die after much mess and confusion. Will post the verses about the washing of the water of the word.... and others in another post.

I don't think He says: I love you so I'm going to kill you for your own good, either. I think it's how you process some of what I say though. And that's okay. We process how we process. But God HAS said that sometimes the young die before they live out a long life and no one even stops to consider that it might be because God is keeping them from evil. It's a verse.

joaniemarie · Mar 20, 2018

Stunnedbygrace said:

Yes., we do process as we process., but shouldn't we always seek to do so from the perspective of the Holy Spirit and not our own ways of thinking and seeing life? This is a constant and daily work for us Christians. We have the flesh and the way we used to think and reason out life and God. Now we have the new creation Jesus made us and are to develop our understanding by the renewing in the spirit of our minds.

I'm not sure about the verse your talking about young people dying. If people die it's due to the sin problem that was set in place when Adam and Eve sinned and all this mess began. I don't believe at all that Jesus came to bring death. Jesus conquered sin and death at the cross.

There are different reasons for why things happen in life due to the individual issues and people. When we are dealing with the tribulations in this life., they come due to the fact we are in a sinful world and anyone who lives Godly will suffer persecution from those 3 places because of it...
1. The world
2. The flesh
3. The devil

The distinction I'm making is God doesn't persecute us for living Godly.

joaniemarie · Mar 20, 2018

When we read the Bible we should ask, is this scripture describing the old law covenant which condemns sinners or the new grace covenant which makes sinners righteous? If you are a Christian, you need not fear the condemnation of the law. Instead, rejoice that you are the righteousness of God in Christ (2 Cor 5:21).

Consider the audience

When reading the Bible it’s also important to note who the words were written for, otherwise you might end up taking someone else’s medicine. There are only two kinds of people – those who put their faith in Jesus and those who don’t. Consequently the Holy Spirit brings two different convictions (Jn 16:8-10):

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would convict the world of guilt for the sin of unbelief (Jn 16:9). Many things in the New Testament are written for unbelievers. Paul, Peter, John, Jude and James all had things to say to those who did not see their need for a Savior (e.g., 1 Jn 1:5-10). The apostles also wrote to warn the church about sinners masquerading as prophets and preachers (e.g., 2 Pet 2). Strong words of judgment and condemnation given to sinners do not apply to those whom Christ has qualified.
Jesus also said the Holy Spirit would convict Christians of righteousness (Jn 16:10). We do not need to be reminded of our shortcomings, but we often need to be reminded of our right standing before God (2 Cor 5:21). Much of the New Testament was written to assure Christians that we belong to God and that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ (Rms 8:38-39). Not even our sin can separate us because God’s grace is greater than our sin (Rms 5:15). When we fail the Holy Spirit does not condemn us – there is no condemnation to those in Christ. Rather He reminds us that we are righteous, that we are kept by Jesus (Ju 24), that we are the Father’s sons (Gal 4:6), and that our hope is firm and secure (Heb 6:19). When we make mistakes Jesus doesn’t condemn us, He defends us (1 Jn 2:1) and then He teaches us how to say no to ungodliness (Tit 2:12).

Rightly dividing the word means reading the Bible in the context of the finished work of the cross. It means we interpret scripture in light of what Jesus has done. The entire Bible reveals Jesus (Lk 24:27).

Read the Bible to find Jesus.

joaniemarie · Mar 20, 2018

This is where I see many of us Christians have missed many of the truths we have because we have taken the medication that was meant for others. There is NO condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus. The conditions have totally been met IN Christ. We can't add to it or take away from that. But we are called to see Jesus in all things. That is when the peace of God rules and reigns in our hearts. That is when the REST that is for the people of God is applied.

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