For the Father loves the Son.
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“I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”
John 17:22-23 NIV
“I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.”
John 17:9-11 NIV
John 17:22-23 NIV
“I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.”
John 17:9-11 NIV
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Romans 7:1–4 (KJV 1900): Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Jeremiah 31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Deuteronomy 24:1“When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4 Then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.
God loved his wife so much that He desired to remarry her, but His own law did not permit Him to. His laws are forever and to add or diminish is a SIN. God is perfect and His Words are perfect, and that is why you cannot add or diminish.
God knew the Way for His wife to remarry (re-covenant) without sinning.
Jeremiah 3:1
They say, ‘If a man divorces his wife,
And she goes from him
And becomes another man’s,
May he return to her again?’
Would not that land be greatly polluted?
But you have played the harlot with many lovers;
“YET RETURN TO ME” says the Lord.
YHWH/LORD is Yeshua - Immanuel -God with us - in the flesh. Yeshua means Yah’s salvation (Strong’s H3444). He had to come as a man and He willingly died and then RESSURECTED!! Most beautiful love story. God loves me and you so much that He died and rose from the dead so that we can now remarry Him and be His Bride when He returns - Second Coming.
Nehemah6 don’t you just love this mishmash?
Jeremiah 31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Deuteronomy 24:1“When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4 Then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.
God loved his wife so much that He desired to remarry her, but His own law did not permit Him to. His laws are forever and to add or diminish is a SIN. God is perfect and His Words are perfect, and that is why you cannot add or diminish.
God knew the Way for His wife to remarry (re-covenant) without sinning.
Jeremiah 3:1
They say, ‘If a man divorces his wife,
And she goes from him
And becomes another man’s,
May he return to her again?’
Would not that land be greatly polluted?
But you have played the harlot with many lovers;
“YET RETURN TO ME” says the Lord.
YHWH/LORD is Yeshua - Immanuel -God with us - in the flesh. Yeshua means Yah’s salvation (Strong’s H3444). He had to come as a man and He willingly died and then RESSURECTED!! Most beautiful love story. God loves me and you so much that He died and rose from the dead so that we can now remarry Him and be His Bride when He returns - Second Coming.
Nehemah6 don’t you just love this mishmash?
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“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”
John 1:1-4, 18 NIV
John 1:1-4, 18 NIV
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“Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:9-11 NIV
Philippians 2:9-11 NIV
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John 14
16 I will pray to the Father, and He will give you another Counselor, that He may be with you forever: 17 the Spirit of truth, Whom the world can’t receive, for it doesn’t see Him and doesn’t know Him. You know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world will see Me no more; but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves Me. One who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him, and will reveal Myself to him.”
22 Judah (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Adonai, what has happened that You are about to reveal Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Yeshua answered him, “If a man loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who doesn’t love Me doesn’t keep My words. The word which you hear isn’t Mine, but the Father’s Who sent Me.
25 “I have said these things to you while still living with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My Name, will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you. My peace I give to you; not as the world gives, I give to you. Don’t let your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful. 28 You heard how I told you, ‘I am going away, and I will come back to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced because I said ‘I am going to My Father;’ for the Father is greater than I.
16 I will pray to the Father, and He will give you another Counselor, that He may be with you forever: 17 the Spirit of truth, Whom the world can’t receive, for it doesn’t see Him and doesn’t know Him. You know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world will see Me no more; but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves Me. One who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him, and will reveal Myself to him.”
22 Judah (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Adonai, what has happened that You are about to reveal Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Yeshua answered him, “If a man loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who doesn’t love Me doesn’t keep My words. The word which you hear isn’t Mine, but the Father’s Who sent Me.
25 “I have said these things to you while still living with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My Name, will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you. My peace I give to you; not as the world gives, I give to you. Don’t let your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful. 28 You heard how I told you, ‘I am going away, and I will come back to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced because I said ‘I am going to My Father;’ for the Father is greater than I.
Psalm 119 is primarily a Psalm of David. There are too many verses which would have no application to Christ. How could this possibly apply to Christ? My flesh trembleth for fear of thee; and I am afraid of thy judgments... I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.
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God the Father of course. This is not to place God the Father above the Son though. The trinity are complementary or co-equals not one above the other, none had pre-existed the other. The Word(Christ ) was with God in the beginning (Genesis 1) The Word was with God in the beginning . And the (Word) was creating with the Father. The Spirit was there at (Gen1) as well. Jesus or Christ incarnate through His time on Earth was being granted increasing authority. Jesus and the Father cannot be in competition with each other but are complementary in nature. I’m not denying the Father and what was revealed in the OT. Point I’m trying to make here is living out our new spiritual reality that Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords .Jesus will be the one to Judge the living and the dead. we need to live into our new position in relation to him and not look backwards trying to put ourselves back into the old covenant or Judaism. Paul actually addressed this very thing in Acts when Jewish believers were trying to get the Gentile believers to be obedient to Judaism before being converted . The Old Testament is not necessary for our salvation. To know Jesus is to know the Father and to know the Fathers love for us we can look at Jesus. If it were possible for biblical Jesus to have become an Idol then the thief on the cross would have been guilty of idolatry and not have been saved. Out of a growing relationship with Jesus Christ we should want to get to know Gods attributes through the entire Bible but for confirmation and seeing to what Jesus said was true about God the Father. Our relationship is with Jesus the Christ whom the Old Testament prophets spoke of coming. The New Testament teachings are where we base our Christian faith And look backward to see the agreement with the old. Christians don’t start at the Old Testament, God was up to something new, Something better than what the Jews and Hebrews were able to experience.
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Thank you for the answer.
The Son's flesh does trembleth for fear of YHVH. He delights in the fear of YHVH as Isaiah 11 tells us, which is clearly describing Him.
1 A Shoot will come out of the stock of Jesse,
and a Branch out of his roots will bear fruit.
2 YHVH’s Spirit will rest on Him:
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of YHVH.
3 His delight will be in the fear of YHVH.
He will not judge by the sight of His eyes,
neither decide by the hearing of His ears;
4 but He will judge the poor with righteousness,
and decide with equity for the humble of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth;
and with the breath of His lips He will kill the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be the belt around His waist,
and faithfulness the belt around His waist.
The Son's flesh does trembleth for fear of YHVH. He delights in the fear of YHVH as Isaiah 11 tells us, which is clearly describing Him.
1 A Shoot will come out of the stock of Jesse,
and a Branch out of his roots will bear fruit.
2 YHVH’s Spirit will rest on Him:
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of YHVH.
3 His delight will be in the fear of YHVH.
He will not judge by the sight of His eyes,
neither decide by the hearing of His ears;
4 but He will judge the poor with righteousness,
and decide with equity for the humble of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth;
and with the breath of His lips He will kill the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be the belt around His waist,
and faithfulness the belt around His waist.
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Concerning verse 176 that you quoted. Without going into too much detail that has already been provided in other threads which you were part of, it should be translated as
I am lost like a slain Lamb. Seek Thy Servant, for I do not forget Thy commandments.
He prayed that last verse and stanza while He was dead in the grave and was asking His Father to find Him and raise Him to life again according to the commandments that if He gave His life in obedience to the law He would live and be raised to life again.
Thank you for the answer.
I am lost like a slain Lamb. Seek Thy Servant, for I do not forget Thy commandments.
He prayed that last verse and stanza while He was dead in the grave and was asking His Father to find Him and raise Him to life again according to the commandments that if He gave His life in obedience to the law He would live and be raised to life again.
Thank you for the answer.
How can God the Son be afraid of the judgments of God the Father? Indeed the Father has made the Son Judge over all mankind. So you are really trying to stretch your false interpretations. Therefore I will leave you to your imaginary application of Psalm 119. You are trying to make Christ a lesser "god", which is what the cults do.
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I think I understand that one.
Though He is the Sinless Son of God. He was still also human and has human nature . Still had human flesh which was subject to pain, a broad range of emotions. He was able to be tempted . We know He was tempted in every way we are.
“Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him”
Hebrews 5:8-9 NIV
Though He is the Sinless Son of God. He was still also human and has human nature . Still had human flesh which was subject to pain, a broad range of emotions. He was able to be tempted . We know He was tempted in every way we are.
“Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him”
Hebrews 5:8-9 NIV
1 Cor 15:
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Jesus Christ was begotten, conceived in Mary by God. “Eternally begotten” is not biblical.
Jesus Christ is God’s logos (His will, plan, purposes) made flesh.
Jesus did not exist in Gen 1:1.
Yes. Jesus wasn’t, except in God’s foreknowledge.
No, God did the creating by Himself (Isa 44:24).
The “Spirit of God” is God Himself.
”Incarnate” is not a biblical term. Where are the verses that say Jesus was being granted increasing authority?
Obviously they aren’t in competition. What verses say they are complementary in nature?
Who made him King of kings and Lord of lords? God did (Acts 2:36).
Right. Who gave him that power and authority? God did.
Generally agree. But even in the NT, Jesus said his Father is “the only true God” (John 17:3), and Paul says that for us there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6). Jesus Christ has a God, and he ascended to his God (John 20:17).
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Jesus Christ was begotten, conceived in Mary by God. “Eternally begotten” is not biblical.
Jesus Christ is God’s logos (His will, plan, purposes) made flesh.
Jesus did not exist in Gen 1:1.
Yes. Jesus wasn’t, except in God’s foreknowledge.
No, God did the creating by Himself (Isa 44:24).
The “Spirit of God” is God Himself.
”Incarnate” is not a biblical term. Where are the verses that say Jesus was being granted increasing authority?
Obviously they aren’t in competition. What verses say they are complementary in nature?
Who made him King of kings and Lord of lords? God did (Acts 2:36).
Right. Who gave him that power and authority? God did.
Generally agree. But even in the NT, Jesus said his Father is “the only true God” (John 17:3), and Paul says that for us there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6). Jesus Christ has a God, and he ascended to his God (John 20:17).
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I’m going to answer 90% of that with John 1.
John 1- Describing a pre-incarnate Christ and it answers so many questions. The term “trinity “ doesn’t appear in the Bible either. But there is concept. There is description-just like a pre-incarnate Christ. We can find evidence.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14 NIV
Concerning the Holy Spirit and Son at Creation- Check the Hebrew- Elohim (God ) and Ruach Elohim - (the spirit of God)(Gen1:1-2- If Father God was sole creator Why would it be necessary to speak of God as one being and Spirit of God as another?
In Gen1:3- God spoke- The (Word)of God introduced -this is where we Go back to John 1(The Word)
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”
Genesis 2:7 - Breath of Life is the Holy Spirit
John 1- Describing a pre-incarnate Christ and it answers so many questions. The term “trinity “ doesn’t appear in the Bible either. But there is concept. There is description-just like a pre-incarnate Christ. We can find evidence.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14 NIV
Concerning the Holy Spirit and Son at Creation- Check the Hebrew- Elohim (God ) and Ruach Elohim - (the spirit of God)(Gen1:1-2- If Father God was sole creator Why would it be necessary to speak of God as one being and Spirit of God as another?
In Gen1:3- God spoke- The (Word)of God introduced -this is where we Go back to John 1(The Word)
“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”
Genesis 2:7 - Breath of Life is the Holy Spirit