For those who believe in false conversions even when people return...

[Reborn]

A believer (who was once saved) can backslide into sin (and be in an unsaved state) to then being renewed back to the faith again (to a saved state again). Not only does the Prodigal Son teach this, but James 5:19-21 teaches this, as well.

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, the father said that his son was dead and was alive again two times. This is obviously speaking in spiritual terms. For when did Jesus not speak in spiritual terms when he was preaching?

Sorry.
Im still trying to wrap my mind around this whole, get and lose the Holy Spirit a few thousands times in our life?

Would it be too much to ask for you to send me a copy of the Bible you read and teach from?
Obviously the God you teach...teases us with the HS? Am I wrong to believe its only once?



I just wanna be right with the Lord.

 

[atwhatcost]

I believe there are ALOT of people who truly think they are "born again" from above but they are not. A lot of the so called "Orthodox" Christians believe water baptism, no matter the age, refers to one being "born again". This is a great deception.

Oooh! See? I didn't know that. This is why I asked.

 

[atwhatcost]

Salvation thru 'sacraments' yes is another gospel'... you may ask why Does God allow this to continue? well all those different Cut up jesus's will in the End serve a purpose, the jello molding of the Harlot of Revelation 17, this global corporate apostate entity, that Sacrifices Truth, ------> for unity, a false love, a false peace, the 'lie', that man can create heaven on earth, become as little gods, the 'fruit ' from the Garden of Eden, presented by the Serpent.... these will take and run with this, albeit this 'allowed by God Himself ' to fulfill the Word of God! the Harlot of Revelation is COMING WITH POWER and decisivenes... as its fueled by the Dragon, as they Present another gospel and a man made kingdom of heaven to those 'caught' in the Trap of Daniels 70th Week, the Hour of Trial , to try them that dwell on the Earth, those whose Names are not written in the Lambs Book of Life.. will follow this to perdition, He will 'call out' and FIND and save those whose Names have Already been Written there since time and dirt were Created! His Will be Done in Heaven as On the Earth! a HARVEST! OF GREAT QUANTITY. when the Eternal LORD .. starts His Eternal combine!

Honestly? I don't know what your denom/nondenom you come from. It doesn't matter for salvation and sanctification. But, I have absolutely no idea how what you just wrote here has anything to do with what you think the prodigal son is about. It seems we have different lingo, and I don't know your lingo to get what you're saying. I'm going to ask you to do the same thing I have to keep asking my doctors to do, "Can you translate all that into words I understand?"

 

[atwhatcost]

Is this surprising? The enemy is clever he can make the truth seem like a lie and a lie the truth. something as simple as a different interpretation of scripture or a different view of the same belief can create an entire new religion it really is that easy for him to deceive many. without the holy spirit in us we too will be tricked fooled lied too and deceived and many say they have him in them and yet you have all these many different denominations with different and even some strange beliefs

I'm beginning to get the feeling everyone is having a very long argument over something, I missed when the argument started, but it started way before I got here, and it's going to keep on going until the last voice of the arguers die.

Was that a surprise to me? Yeah, actually. I never heard that before, so it's new.

But, were you answering my question or am I simply some new schmoe that you might end up picking for your team? If it helps, I'm lousy at sports, not a team player, and don't get dragged into arguments that go on forever, if I see the participants aren't listening to each other anyway.

I'm going to go on down and read answers to see if anyone else actually answered what I asked.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Honestly? I don't know what your denom/nondenom you come from. It doesn't matter for salvation and sanctification. But, I have absolutely no idea how what you just wrote here has anything to do with what you think the prodigal son is about. It seems we have different lingo, and I don't know your lingo to get what you're saying. I'm going to ask you to do the same thing I have to keep asking my doctors to do, "Can you translate all that into words I understand?"

do you believe one is Saved by your denominational / non denominational membership? do you believe sanctification is achieved thru men in religion who twist and pervert the Word of God to fit their carnal interpretation of the Scripture? ( denominational systems. fringe groups etc) let me start there.... usually those 'depending' on their 'groups' way to Heaven, whatever sect or denomination it is , usually are the first ones who come out in DEFENSE of the abomination that man calls the current false bride of Christ, made up of schisms, false doctrine, man made theology.. carnal interpretations of the Word of God... a jesus who is all cut up.. let me start with those questions...

 

[atwhatcost]

To be Honest, When He found and saved me in 1994, I came back home and began to testify of His Saving Grace and Mercy, my family background is salvation thru sacraments as an infant, followed by a 'catechism' as a young adult, a 'molding' persay into that sect or denomination, when I came back home and Testified, they told me I was really saved when I was an infant, and committment to the LORD when I was run thru a religious series of meetings as a young boy, confirmation, I said NO, He saved me In February , the 3rd to be Exact, NO they got in my face and pointed the finger, you were saved when you were an infant, NO, I told them.. from that POINT there has been a schism or divison in my family. because of His Salvation... He Brings a Sword, He truly Does, Not Peace but a Sword, respect and Love for the Parents is still there, but MY LOVE for My Redeemer is Greater than that, I very rarely have contact with them or other family members, which is fine, I will not muck up or dirty up His Genuine Salvation for my life by adhering to their denominational doctrines and traditions, this happened back in 1994... He truly does come to bring a Sword or division , not peace, how beit they preach peace out of false doctrine and love out of false doctrine , Sacrificing Truth for that .. which is Error, salvation thru sacraments is error..

This I get. Same kind of background. Raised RCC, became born again at 16, told my family, they thought I was speaking in a strange lingo, but they didn't listen, and then 8 years later, when my grandmother realized I wasn't getting married in a Catholic Church, she called and asked, "What happened to your faith?"

I told her my faith is in Christ now, not the Catholic Church. I think I might have confused her complete. She couldn't think of a word to say. (No one in my family is afraid to speak their mind, so it wasn't that. lol) We left it that way, and continued to love each other. Family doesn't have to get it. It's wonderful if they do. Either way, they're still family.

 

[atwhatcost]

of note.

The prodigal NEVER stopped being the son.

He may have "died" in a sense to his fathers blessings, and because of it, brought to his knees. But he still carried his fathers blood.

Yup. This is what I'm saying.

(Some day, I'll remember to raise the font size every time. lol)

 

[atwhatcost]

and those Prodigals, God will draw back to Himself, He Truly will, by beating them up with the Word and condemning them? No its the Revelation of His unmerited Goodness that draws them back to God, resembling the Gentle Curved Crook of the Shepherd's Staff.. bringing them back.. How is Iniquity Purged? the Wisdom of God tells us ------>

By Mercyand Truth iniquity is Purged: and by The Fear of the LORD men depart from evil. Proverbs 16:6

the Mercy and Truth of God is the Person of Christ Himself, He does this thru His Spirit, the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth.. He is the Gift of Righteousness!

Sanctify them thru thy Truth Father, for They Word is Truth! Indeed!

Ah, ah, ah! (Light bulb going off.) Now I get what you're saying. You just spoke my lingo.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

This I get. Same kind of background. Raised RCC, became born again at 16, told my family, they thought I was speaking in a strange lingo, but they didn't listen, and then 8 years later, when my grandmother realized I wasn't getting married in a Catholic Church, she called and asked, "What happened to your faith?"

I told her my faith is in Christ now, not the Catholic Church. I think I might have confused her complete. She couldn't think of a word to say. (No one in my family is afraid to speak their mind, so it wasn't that. lol) We left it that way, and continued to love each other. Family doesn't have to get it. It's wonderful if they do. Either way, they're still family.

were called to love our enemies, and a man's/woman's foes will be they of his/her own household... Oh indeed.. they rely on their 'man made righteousness' to save them, carnal interpretation of the Word of God, its Traditions, to 'save oneself'.. I was Found and GRasped out of that Darkness, not only that but the darkness posing as light which uses Behavior medication , to mold and control a person into the 'correct' christ like mold, which they induced upon me in 1996... they speak of people being in 'heaven'. who were never regenerated from on High, speak of all being saved, God wouldnt be un just like that , putting somebody in gehenna fire, thats not God'. they say.. but you see what happens when you pull God down to man's level and tell Him how to act? mmm ultimate rebellion, they sacrifice Truth for 'love, unity , a false peace which holds its foundation in a 'dna' gospel, genes/chromosomes gospel, thats false.. very thankful Today He PULLED ME OUT OF THAT and showed me the True Way.. I would of never known that.. unless HE FOUND ME AND CHANGED ME.. only God could of done that.. because my family's foundation is STEEPED heavily into witchcraft (pharmakus) behavior meds to control and mold .... and the do it in 'jesus's name'.. which is error and will lead to perdition, most of those within my family bounds, relatives etc, most of those who were 'agreeing' to the pharmaceutical medication to 'fix' my Jesus's problem.. have passed away either very quickly tragically or slowly in much pain and torment.... they tried to 'defile' the Temple of the Holy Ghost which is the body flesh/bone by corrupting it with pharmakus, behavior meds to make me conform to their 'gospel'.. this a foreshadowing of what is to come during Daniels 70th week.. as the Harlot uses the Pharmaceutical industry to mold and image and make submissive those who 'dont fall into alignment with their 'christ like 'image.. but a false one. oh indeed!

 

[atwhatcost]

And, sorry, but I have to come back later. I didn't sleep much last night and now my body is saying, "Now." BBL

 

[Bowhunter2394]

to undertand the Height of Rebellion and the hardened heart, most in my family, still believe today I was saved thru infant baptism and a confirmation process.. after 20 years and the Great Things He has done thru me, to 'shew' them the Truth, they still are in un belief, reminds me of Pharaoh and his court, hardened beyond comprehension by the Eternal, only to be removed by His Sovereign Hand, those still in unbelief today. I truly believe He will save a few of those in my family, and relatives, but most will go their physical grave in 'unbelief', un repentant, unchanged, regligious, and hardened, Only God can change their hearts, their minds and Transform them.. those He will He already knows who they are.. indeed!

 

[Bowhunter2394]

For Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast Rejected the Word of the LORD, He hath also rejected thee from being king.-------> those in my family rejected the Miracle of God back in 1994.. turned it into a mess in which I had to be 'fixed' by pharmaceutical medication to conform to their 'image' they hold out or profess.. the dna gospel, the gospel of genes chromosomes is just another piece of that Sandy foundation the harlot of rev 17 will use to build up its false kingdom utopia

 

[Jason0047]

Sorry.
Im still trying to wrap my mind around this whole, get and lose the Holy Spirit a few thousands times in our life?

Would it be too much to ask for you to send me a copy of the Bible you read and teach from?
Obviously the God you teach...teases us with the HS? Am I wrong to believe its only once?

I just wanna be right with the Lord.

Romans 4:11 says the sign of circumcision is a seal of righteousness of the faith. Romans 2:25 says if you be a breaker of the law, your circumcison is made uncircumcision. This was obviously speaking in spiritual terms because one cannot undo physical circumcision back then. Today believers in the New Testament (or New Covenant) are under the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2). For we are commanded to love God and to love all others. For he that does not love does not know God (1 John 4:8).

 

[Jason0047]

Jesus also says if you love him to keep His commandments. The entire Law of Moses? No. The Law of Christ in the New Testament to love God to love others. This will lead a person to not murder, covet, steal, lie, fornicate, etc. (See Romans 13). But Paul says, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[Jason0047]

of note.

The prodigal NEVER stopped being the son.

He may have "died" in a sense to his fathers blessings, and because of it, brought to his knees. But he still carried his fathers blood.

Well, as I stated before in the Parable of the Prodigal Son: A person cannot play ball with dead people or have dinners with them or have a two way conversation with them, or go out to the movies with them. They are not a part of your life like when they were alive. It's why the father in the Parable of the Prodigal Son had said his son was dead to him. For his son was no longer in his life anymore. It's as if he was dead. This of course is speaking in spiritual terms. For when did Jesus parables not speak in spiritual terms?

Besides, who are truly a part of Jesus' family?

The answer is given to us in Matthew 12:46-50.

"While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

This "Doing of His will" is confirmed by Jesus saying to the woman at the well that His meat was to do the will of the Father and to finish his work (John 4:34). Jesus tells his followers in John 6 that those who eat of his flesh (his meat, i.e. do his will and work) will have eternal life (John 6:54). We drink of his blood by believing by faith that his blood cleanses of us of past sins (Romans 3:25), this is not just a belief alone, either type faith. For the devils also believe and tremble. This is the type of faith that walks in the light as he is in the light whereby the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

 

[DesiredHaven]

I believe there are ALOT of people who truly think they are "born again" from above but they are not. A lot of the so called "Orthodox" Christians believe water baptism, no matter the age, refers to one being "born again". This is a great deception.

Alot of them do seem to depend on their water baptism, even that which is performed as a baby as somehow being born from above.

There are multitudes of athiests who have been water baptized by their own parents. I wondered if an athiest made this pic I pull out once and awhile spoofing on his own baptism.

Because that it what it seems, as if spoofing on infant baptism which (even to them) makes them no more a believer then it does born again (of His Spirit) all the while denying not only God (Who is non existent according to them) but Jesus Christ (the Son of) this non existent God (according to them). How some count that as they are born again (in some way) never made sense to me if the man without the Spirit of God is none of His and they cant say Jesus is the Lord but by the Spirit (though they deny Father, Son and dont speak by that same Spirit).

 

[psychomom]

Sorry.
Im still trying to wrap my mind around this whole, get and lose the Holy Spirit a few thousands times in our life?

Would it be too much to ask for you to send me a copy of the Bible you read and teach from?
Obviously the God you teach...teases us with the HS? Am I wrong to believe its only once?



I just wanna be right with the Lord.

Romans 4:11 says the sign of circumcision is a seal of righteousness of the faith. Romans 2:25 says if you be a breaker of the law, your circumcison is made uncircumcision. This was obviously speaking in spiritual terms because one cannot undo physical circumcision back then. Today believers in the New Testament (or New Covenant) are under the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2). For we are commanded to love God and to love all others. For he that does not love does not know God (1 John 4:8).

and that response and misuse of Scripture should speak volumes.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Alot of them do seem to depend on their water baptism, even that which is performed as a baby as somehow being born from above.

There are multitudes of athiests who have been water baptized by their own parents. I wondered if an athiest made this pic I pull out once and awhile spoofing on his own baptism.

Because that it what it seems, as if spoofing on infant baptism which (even to them) makes them no more a believer then it does born again (of His Spirit) all the while denying not only God (Who is non existent according to them) but Jesus Christ (the Son of) this non existent God (according to them). How some count that as they are born again (in some way) never made sense to me if the man without the Spirit of God is none of His and they cant say Jesus is the Lord but by the Spirit (though they deny Father, Son and dont speak by that same Spirit).

The deception is great no doubt. Funny picture by the way. Looks like they may have forgot to warm the water for that poor child. LOL

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A believer (who was once saved) can backslide into sin (and be in an unsaved state) to then being renewed back to the faith again (to a saved state again). Not only does the Prodigal Son teach this, but James 5:19-21 teaches this, as well.

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, the father said that his son was dead and was alive again two times. This is obviously speaking in spiritual terms. For when did Jesus not speak in spiritual terms when he was preaching?

Can you explain how a person, who was condemned by the law. and saved from that condemnation. could again be condemned by the law. Since no one, saved or not saved, can meet the requirement of the law (perfection).

A sinner, falling back to be a sinner , or a person saved from the condemnation of the law, yet is not really saved at all, makes no sense to us logical people.

The son still had his fathers blood in him, You can not break that bond, a son is always a son through blood. even people in Jesus day understood this.

We were adopted. paid for by the blood of Christ, that blood does not just stop running through us, that is perfect blood.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, as I stated before in the Parable of the Prodigal Son: A person cannot play ball with dead people or have dinners with them or have a two way conversation with them, or go out to the movies with them. They are not a part of your life like when they were alive. It's why the father in the Parable of the Prodigal Son had said his son was dead to him. For his son was no longer in his life anymore. It's as if he was dead. This of course is speaking in spiritual terms. For when did Jesus parables not speak in spiritual terms?

poor Jesus did not get the memo. he was called a drunkard and a sex fanatic because he hung out with drunks and prostitutes

Besides, who are truly a part of Jesus' family?

Those washed and purchased by his blood. Justified by faith, Adopted as his children. are a true part of Gods family.

The answer is given to us in Matthew 12:46-50.

"While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

This "Doing of His will" is confirmed by Jesus saying to the woman at the well that His meat was to do the will of the Father and to finish his work (John 4:34). Jesus tells his followers in John 6 that those who eat of his flesh (his meat, i.e. do his will and work) will have eternal life (John 6:54). We drink of his blood by believing by faith that his blood cleanses of us of past sins (Romans 3:25), this is not just a belief alone, either type faith. For the devils also believe and tremble. This is the type of faith that walks in the light as he is in the light whereby the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

and you think people believe someone who claims to be saved, but continues to live in sin is realy saved? it is obvious you do not have an inkling of what people believe. you should stop preaching and start listening, and maybe you will come to some understanding.

the people who do what jesus said in matt are those who have been washed in the blood. adopted by God etc etc. they do not obey to be saved, but as a result of being saved and given the spirit.