For those who do not believe in the Trinity

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R3V07UTI0N

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God manifested in flesh means God became flesh.
Jesus is God and is flesh right?
There is one God and one Spirt of God.
The Spirit of the Father is in Jesus that makes Jesus God.
Then how can anyone say Jesus is not the Father manifested in flesh.
 
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R3V07UTI0N said:
God manifested in flesh means God became flesh.
Jesus is God and is flesh right?
There is one God and one Spirt of God.
The Spirit of the Father is in Jesus that makes Jesus God.
Then how can anyone say Jesus is not the Father manifested in flesh.
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I totally agree.
 
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R3V07UTI0N said:
What is your plan to salvation?
Do you believe in three "persons" or Jesus Christ as the Father manifested in flesh?
Do you believe Jesus is in the Godhead or the Godhead In Jesus?
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Your statement didn't make sense....We believe Jesus is God in the flesh, where are you no offense? We believe Jesus is God in the flesh, I don't think you understand what Trinity is.........Trinity believes the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same God.
 
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Crazy4GODword said:
Your statement didn't make sense....We believe Jesus is God in the flesh, where are you no offense? We believe Jesus is God in the flesh, I don't think you understand what Trinity is.........Trinity believes the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same God.
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But you think they are different ''persons''
 
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Crazy4GODword

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But you think they are different ''persons''
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Whew seems I might teach hehe lol. Ok it may seems hard to quite understand or it's easy. Ok um well we believe they are the same God same being but divided for different reasons. God had to manifest in a human and that's Jesus...Holy Spirit is just the Lord but He works in men. The Father is just the Lord as well. God in the old testament mostly existed in that time as the Father and when the Father manifested as a human then it was "Jesus" time...now its the Holy Spirit who is working in this world to help us...but yet it's the Father and Son. Jesus is not the Father which is not the Spirit but they all are God. The Father is not Jesus but they both are the same Lord and God and the same Spirit.

Jesus is the Father God but not the Father....seems complicated...right but it's not.
 
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Crazy4GODword said:
Jesus is the Father God but not the Father....seems complicated...right but it's not.
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Here's what a guy on another forum said in his attempt to explain the trinity:

The humanity side - the incarnation - of the Son, was not being God in his enabling. Before he could become as a man, the Soul of God had to remove himself from the full enabling that he had while in complete union with Deity.
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Maybe that will help y'all out........:rolleyes:
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Shroom, we can see it just by their names right? Father, Jesus, Holy Ghost. But the people in the bible calls them Lord because they are even though one dwells in men and one became or manifested in man and another being the Creator, even though they are the same Lord.
 
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Crazy4GODword said:
Whew seems I might teach hehe lol. Ok it may seems hard to quite understand or it's easy. Ok um well we believe they are the same God same being but divided for different reasons. God had to manifest in a human and that's Jesus...Holy Spirit is just the Lord but He works in men. The Father is just the Lord as well. God in the old testament mostly existed in that time as the Father and when the Father manifested as a human then it was "Jesus" time...now its the Holy Spirit who is working in this world to help us...but yet it's the Father and Son.
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What you just descrined is Modalism And Trinitarians call that heresy. Google Modalism, you might be surprised what you find out.


Jesus is not the Father which is not the Spirit but they all are God. The Father is not Jesus but they both are the same Lord and God and the same Spirit.
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You say this not because of scripture but because what you have been told. the rest of what you said does not line up with the Trinitarian doctrine.

P.S. I am neither trinitarian or modalist
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Whew see you don't get it, it's alright because I believe you are maybe a Trinity believer without knowing it. So you are saying then the Father is Jesus (the flesh and everything) and so is the Spirit of God? Doesn't make sense. So you are saying Jesus was never a human but Spirit are you?
 
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Whew see you don't get it, it's alright because I believe you are maybe a Trinity believer without knowing it. So you are saying then the Father is Jesus (the flesh and everything) and so is the Spirit of God? Doesn't make sense. So you are saying Jesus was never a human but Spirit are you?
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You crack me up, so innocent. I believe Jesus was a man.
 
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You crack me up, so innocent. I believe Jesus was a man.
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If you believe a man name Jesus is the Lord in flesh and the Holy Spirit is the Lord in men then you just believed that they are different but the same. Are ya seeing it?
 
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If you believe a man name Jesus is the Lord in flesh and the Holy Spirit is the Lord in men then you just believed that they are different but the same. Are ya seeing it?
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Distinct does not = different
 
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R3V07UTI0N

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Crazy4GODword it seems that you believe in the oneness of God. The only thing is that you don't let go of the word "trinity". I believe the Father also known as the "I Am" or "Jehovah" in the old testament is the Spirit of God no one could see God because He is not a "person" or flesh but a Holy Spirit. Jehovah was not the official name of God it's what they knew Him by since they did not know His name. Jehovah meaning "The Self Existing One" and the I AM is self explained He is who He is. God kept His name a mystery until the only God manifested in flesh as Jesus Christ. There is only one Spirit of God and the Same Spirit of the Father is in the body of Jesus Christ this makes Jesus the Father manifested in Flesh. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit alone of Jesus Christ not having Flesh. This is why Jesus said His Father will send a helper the Comforter, then later He said I will not leave you comfortless. Jesus Christ will not leave us comfortless by sending His own Spirit the same Spirit in Jesus Christ and that Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. Only One Spirit of God but three roles or positions the Father(Creator), the Son(Redeemer), the Holy Spirit(Comforter). Not different "persons"(flesh) it's different positions by the same and only Spirit of God.
 
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Only the father is God. He is the creator, He is Holy and He is Spirit. He is THE Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.....

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, a man fathered by God. He is our redeemer and savior. He is the second Adam, a human being.

1 Cor 8:6 ...and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

holy spirit is what Christians receive from God when they act on Romans 10:9.
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5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you
38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When the bible says "holy spirit", it is either talking about God (THE Holy Spirit) or God's gift to men (holy spirit). The KJV translators capitalized the words as they saw fit, and are not always right. When the bible uses the words "holy spirit" (or ghost) we have to determine whether it's talking about God (the giver) or holy spirit (the gift). They are not the same thing.

Here holy is not capitalized, but spirit is. It is talking about the gift, both should be lower case.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

God bless.
 
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shroom2 said:
Only the father is God. He is the creator, He is Holy and He is Spirit. He is THE Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.....

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, a man fathered by God. He is our redeemer and savior. He is the second Adam, a human being.

1 Cor 8:6 ...and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

holy spirit is what Christians receive from God when they act on Romans 10:9.
Acts 1:
5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you
38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When the bible says "holy spirit", it is either talking about God (THE Holy Spirit) or God's gift to men (holy spirit). The KJV translators capitalized the words as they saw fit, and are not always right. When the bible uses the words "holy spirit" (or ghost) we have to determine whether it's talking about God (the giver) or holy spirit (the gift). They are not the same thing.

Here holy is not capitalized, but spirit is. It is talking about the gift, both should be lower case.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

God bless.
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So you believe that there is two Holy Spirits? Which now you add and make four?
 
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Do a search and you will find that we have had very long drawn out contentious arguments on this topic and it is obvious to me that Oneness Doctrine is anathema. But it is also obvious that God has given people the right to choose that wrong view and so some do.
 
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Do a search and you will find that we have had very long drawn out contentious arguments on this topic and it is obvious to me that Oneness Doctrine is anathema. But it is also obvious that God has given people the right to choose that wrong view and so some do.
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Uhoh, we got another Scott damning people to Hell for not agreeing with their doctrine. I think it is time to tear down that sacred cow AoK.
 
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Uhoh, we got another Scott damning people to Hell for not agreeing with their doctrine. I think it is time to tear down that sacred cow AoK.
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That is true why do you get mad and curse people just because you can't accept the word of God. just cuz you have pride in your "traditional" teaching not Biblical.
 
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I think this thread needs a dose of puppy attack ;)

 
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