forgiven before the cross WOW! by Jesus

[homwardbound]

[h=3]Luke 7
Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman[/h][SUP]36 [/SUP]When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. [SUP]37 [/SUP]A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. [SUP]38 [/SUP]As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”
“Tell me, teacher,” he said.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]“Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[SUP][c][/SUP] and the other fifty. [SUP]42 [/SUP]Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”
“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. [SUP]45 [/SUP]You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. [SUP]46 [/SUP]You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. [SUP]47 [/SUP]Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
[SUP]49 [/SUP]The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

There are other places of this as well and as he said yor faith has saved you WHEW!!!!! What do you all think amazing yes!!!!

 

[cfultz3]

Homeboy,

If you do not mind, are you saying that we are forgiven before we come to the cross? Or are you saying that Jesus, the incarnated Word, was able to forgive sins even before He died on the cross (as to pointing out His Deity)?

 

[Elin]

Homeboy,

If you do not mind, are you saying that we are forgiven before we come to the cross? Or are you saying that Jesus, the incarnated Word, was able to forgive sins even before He died on the cross (as to pointing out His Deity)?

Before the cross, sin was dealt with and they were reconciled to God in the OT sacrificial system, in anticipation of the cross.

So yes, sin was dealt with before the cross, in anticipation of the cross.

 

[mark54]

Before the cross, sin was dealt with and they were reconciled to God in the OT sacrificial system, in anticipation of the cross.

So yes, sin was dealt with before the cross, in anticipation of the cross.

Seems right to me

[SUP] [/SUP]What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.
Gal3:17-19

 

[homwardbound]

Homeboy,

If you do not mind, are you saying that we are forgiven before we come to the cross? Or are you saying that Jesus, the incarnated Word, was able to forgive sins even before He died on the cross (as to pointing out His Deity)?

Cultz the whole world has been forgiven and this happened at the cross, where it was set up with the Jews (first chosen) that they in order to get thier sins forgiven they had to have them transferred to an innocent animal trrough death of that animal and shed that animals blood which was the payment that was to please God and they had to do this year after year reminding the worshippers of thier sins, thier conscience never being cleared from sin, therefore God the Father was never pleased in the blood of bulls and goats for they could never take away sin, and God was looking to purge thier conscience from the sin issue in order to bring life to the worshippers. without ones conscience being purged how can one move on into the resssurrection?
So yes Jesus took away the sin of the whole world and by this act final act at the cross he took it all away no more sacrifice to be executed and this was and is to purge the believers conscience of sin, so they can move onto the new Life found in the resurrectiuon of Christ by God the Father
Hebrews 10 is a great explanation of this new covenant we are in after the death of christ and hebrews 9:15-17 is the wisdom of when this new covenant began

And Yes to the 2 ? he has the authority to forgive for he and his Father are one, and since he has all Authority over all principalities and powers and has forgiven all the whole world via the cross is were all have been reconciled I am thankful and sought to be saved for salvation is not in death but in life so I sought the salvation and found it in the resurrection
How about you ar eyou ready to go to God and say thank you for you being forgiven before you were ever born and get your conscience purged from the sin issue and thus be raised to new life by God the Father of Christ as Paul well pointed this out in Romans 6:1-11 read it quit interesting oh and Romans 5:10 [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Notice reconciled is the same as past tense forgiven
Love you homwardbound

 

[homwardbound]

Before the cross, sin was dealt with and they were reconciled to God in the OT sacrificial system, in anticipation of the cross.

So yes, sin was dealt with before the cross, in anticipation of the cross.

Yet not all had Faith what you said is true for those that had this Faith of the cross coming as Abrahem, Job, Issaac, Noah and so forth for if the religous leaders believed and weren't concerned of thier Jobs they would never have crucified our Lord and Savior. And if the devil had known of the life after the cross the devil would have never dropped in the thoughts of Job security to the religous leaders to begin with, for the worshippers were not going to the synogogue therefore the priests got worried about Job security and planned to ahve Jesus killed for they were not being worshipped, they were not leaders any more

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Praise the Lord Jesus for His infinite wisdom to forgive our sins, i agree that the power and willingness and provision was and is omnipotently efficent but the actual occasion of the forgiveness and cleansing is not consumated until one asks and then experiences the reception of it I John 1:7 has been my experience. My willingness and asking through my will my choosing is how my sin is eradicated from me and from any and all.

 

[cfultz3]

Cultz the whole world has been forgiven and this happened at the cross, where it was set up with the Jews (first chosen) that they in order to get thier sins forgiven they had to have them transferred to an innocent animal trrough death of that animal and shed that animals blood which was the payment that was to please God and they had to do this year after year reminding the worshippers of thier sins, thier conscience never being cleared from sin, therefore God the Father was never pleased in the blood of bulls and goats for they could never take away sin, and God was looking to purge thier conscience from the sin issue in order to bring life to the worshippers. without ones conscience being purged how can one move on into the resssurrection?
So yes Jesus took away the sin of the whole world and by this act final act at the cross he took it all away no more sacrifice to be executed and this was and is to purge the believers conscience of sin, so they can move onto the new Life found in the resurrectiuon of Christ by God the Father
Hebrews 10 is a great explanation of this new covenant we are in after the death of christ and hebrews 9:15-17 is the wisdom of when this new covenant began

And Yes to the 2 ? he has the authority to forgive for he and his Father are one, and since he has all Authority over all principalities and powers and has forgiven all the whole world via the cross is were all have been reconciled I am thankful and sought to be saved for salvation is not in death but in life so I sought the salvation and found it in the resurrection
How about you ar eyou ready to go to God and say thank you for you being forgiven before you were ever born and get your conscience purged from the sin issue and thus be raised to new life by God the Father of Christ as Paul well pointed this out in Romans 6:1-11 read it quit interesting oh and Romans 5:10 [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Notice reconciled is the same as past tense forgiven
Love you homwardbound

1 = no 2 = yes?

 

[cfultz3]

Before the cross, sin was dealt with and they were reconciled to God in the OT sacrificial system, in anticipation of the cross.

So yes, sin was dealt with before the cross, in anticipation of the cross.

Hi Elin,

The question was pertaining to the cross, not the OT.
I was asking if we were forgiven before we come to the cross or do we come to the cross and are forgiven.

 

[piper27]

We are forgiven before we come to the cross; but when we come to the cross we receive it.

 

[cfultz3]

We are forgiven before we come to the cross; but when we come to the cross we receive it.

Hi Piper,

Can the children of the wrath be forgiven unless they come to Him with an contrite heart?

What about receiving Him as your only acceptable Sacrifice, which then gives the forgiveness? Would one have to accept Him first?

 

[cfultz3]

Hi Piper,

Can the children of the wrath be forgiven unless they come to Him with an contrite heart?

What about receiving Him as your only acceptable Sacrifice, which then gives the forgiveness? Would one have to accept Him first?

Piper,

Since you do not know me, allow me to explain that my questions are not to be looked at as a questioning of your faith. It is just me pondering on what I just read. Thanks, Chris

 

[piper27]

Piper,

Since you do not know me, allow me to explain that my questions are not to be looked at as a questioning of your faith. It is just me pondering on what I just read. Thanks, Chris

okay! This should make for good discussion then. First, a question from me, and forgive me if I sound ignorant, my desire is to understand...
who are the children of wrath?

 

[cfultz3]

okay! This should make for good discussion then. First, a question from me, and forgive me if I sound ignorant, my desire is to understand...
who are the children of wrath?

Simply those who are still under the curse attached to the end of the Law (death). Those who are wicked (God is angered at the wickedness of the wicked). So, those who are not in Christ and still face God's wrath.

 

[piper27]

Simply those who are still under the curse attached to the end of the Law (death). Those who are wicked (God is angered at the wickedness of the wicked). So, those who are not in Christ and still face God's wrath.

Thank you. And yes, Chris, I do agree with you. One would have to accept him first in order to receive the gift. Such a difficult dichotomy considering the time don't you think?

 

[cfultz3]

Thank you. And yes, Chris, I do agree with you. One would have to accept him first in order to receive the gift. Such a difficult dichotomy considering the time don't you think?

Haha you made me go to the dictionary. Yes it is. Praise God we are sealed with His Spirit.

 

[homwardbound]

1 = no 2 = yes?

Let me see if Igot this straight Christ did not die for thesins of thew whole worldat the cross, no I did say htat we are or were forgiven before the cross certain people were as he said as he walked the earth theywere forgiven he granted that those chosen few by God his Father through him
Just wantto be clear for Imight not have made it clear

 

[homwardbound]

Hi Elin,

The question was pertaining to the cross, not the OT.
I was asking if we were forgiven before we come to the cross or do we come to the cross and are forgiven.

Making it clear once we come to the cross and put our faith into God by Christ we recieve the forgiveness that has been provided in and through the cross

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Potential is: can i have it? Answer is yes, but it is not properly or personally requested verses Kinetic which is: May (i am willing) i have it now? Answer: yes: activivated, sent, moving, within.

 

[homwardbound]

We are forgiven before we come to the cross; but when we come to the cross we receive it.

Good point because we are looking back to it instead of ahead as the Old Testament Saints were