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You are the one saying restriction, not me. You suggested that false narrative, not me.
You are so fast to look for a disagreement you did not even read where I used the word restriction in any of my posts.
The Holy Spirit has no restrictions, BUT the Holy Spirit has a work to do that Jesus said HE would do, found in John chapters 14 & 15.
In addition, the gifts of the Holy Spirit recorded in 1cor chapters 13 through 14 do what is listed there.
Again prophesying is not the same thing as a prophet in the context of 1cor chapter 14. The outcome of 1cor chapters 12 through 14 of one who prophesies or speaks in tongues with an interpretation must achieve the objectives said in those unit chapters which I listed earlier.
If you want to bring a prophetic word to the person here in this setting, do it.
If you are a prophet and want to foretell her something, do it.
If you have a word from the Lord to her or anyone in this setting, bring it.
If you do not, then your point is not well taken, and you are just looking to be disagreeable.
Are you a prophet? Speak!
Do you have the gift of prophesying? Please use it.
After all, who are we to restrict you if what you have to say is from God say it.
You don't need my approval?
When one hears a prophecy and wants to determine if it is from God, and is taught that a prophecy, if it is genuine, must be something already known, a confirmation, that teaching could encourage someone to reject a true prophecy?
The 'restriction' I am talking about is saying that genuine prophecies will always be something known, a confirmation.
In my personal life, I've seen how someone supposedly getting a revelation about who one is supposed to marry, or not, can cause at least a bit of annoyance if not confusion. I also had someone prophesy over me that I would go to many places and minister to many people with the woman I later married.
So while a false prophecy in this area could cause confusion, there is nothing in the Bible that restricts the Spirit from telling Brother Joe, through a prophecy, that he is going to marry sister Sally, when the thought hadn't ever crossed Brother Joe's mind.
This is a second-hand testimony, but had a friend who was raised in the A/G who heard a brother minister who got really detailed words of knowledge. The man had gotten a word for his sister--- you know that man at church you met today. You are going to marry him. He was short, and his sister did not believe it at first. But the man asked his sister out, and she decided to say yes. They went out, and he was such a great listener, and she found him to be a really great guy. Some time later they were married.
My wife got a message on Facebook. Many years ago, she went through a time when she was flowing a lot in giving personal prophecies. She was in a situation where there was plenty of opportunity to minister that way. One young man she had prophesied to was a janitor. This was in her country where upward mobility seems a bit more limited. She prophesied about how he would be a leader, what he would do, how he would minister to church leaders. A year or two ago, he found her on Facebook and told how he headed a Christian ministry and how these things she prophesied came to pass. If I can remember, and she can remember his name, maybe we could ask him if he had a clue of any of that stuff before the prophecy.
A lot of personal prophecies mention details about yourself you know, but sometimes there is something prophesied that you are gifted to do or will do that isn't _known information._ That's been my experiencing on the receiving end of some prophecies, and that seems to be the case with some of the words other people get, also.
The 'restriction' I am talking about is saying that genuine prophecies will always be something known, a confirmation.
In my personal life, I've seen how someone supposedly getting a revelation about who one is supposed to marry, or not, can cause at least a bit of annoyance if not confusion. I also had someone prophesy over me that I would go to many places and minister to many people with the woman I later married.
So while a false prophecy in this area could cause confusion, there is nothing in the Bible that restricts the Spirit from telling Brother Joe, through a prophecy, that he is going to marry sister Sally, when the thought hadn't ever crossed Brother Joe's mind.
This is a second-hand testimony, but had a friend who was raised in the A/G who heard a brother minister who got really detailed words of knowledge. The man had gotten a word for his sister--- you know that man at church you met today. You are going to marry him. He was short, and his sister did not believe it at first. But the man asked his sister out, and she decided to say yes. They went out, and he was such a great listener, and she found him to be a really great guy. Some time later they were married.
My wife got a message on Facebook. Many years ago, she went through a time when she was flowing a lot in giving personal prophecies. She was in a situation where there was plenty of opportunity to minister that way. One young man she had prophesied to was a janitor. This was in her country where upward mobility seems a bit more limited. She prophesied about how he would be a leader, what he would do, how he would minister to church leaders. A year or two ago, he found her on Facebook and told how he headed a Christian ministry and how these things she prophesied came to pass. If I can remember, and she can remember his name, maybe we could ask him if he had a clue of any of that stuff before the prophecy.
A lot of personal prophecies mention details about yourself you know, but sometimes there is something prophesied that you are gifted to do or will do that isn't _known information._ That's been my experiencing on the receiving end of some prophecies, and that seems to be the case with some of the words other people get, also.
So I decided that cessationist are right. The Bible is " that which is perfect" for when gifts will cease. Now we know how to pray and live. I was a pentecostal for most of my life. But I find that if I ask in prayer the one giving tongues is an evil spirit. You've got to be careful. Not every spirit is of God. Try the spirits.
When a person says, they have decided at the expense of the word of God, not supporting the idea that is just as wrong as one using the gifts of the Holy Spirit like Prophecying in this setting.
Then they want to argue how they say the word of God doesn't support that "Doctrine" on the prudent operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit when the word of God does just that. This is why we have individuals establishing a decision about the gifts because of the foolishness of those who say, " Use the Gifts in any setting," over following and asking the Lord for help. Then abuse happens.
When a person says, they have decided at the expense of the word of God, not supporting the idea that is just as wrong as one using the gifts of the Holy Spirit like Prophecying in this setting.
Then they want to argue how they say the word of God doesn't support that "Doctrine" on the prudent operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit when the word of God does just that. This is why we have individuals establishing a decision about the gifts because of the foolishness of those who say, " Use the Gifts in any setting," over following and asking the Lord for help. Then abuse happens.
Are you writing this about me? Maybe you should reword this. It is hard to figure out what you are trying to say or what your beef is?
Do you think it is forbidden to give a prophecy outside of a church setting? If so, what is your basis for that? And do you think that has anything to do with my posts on the topic?
Do you think it is forbidden to give a prophecy outside of a church setting? If so, what is your basis for that? And do you think that has anything to do with my posts on the topic?
I don't think we will be able to really figure out exactly what you are actually trying to say. Maybe you should reread your post.
Yes. Of course the topic I brought up after you posted was that you said that the content of a prophecy had to be already 'known' in one post, and you said 'confirmation' in another. I comment on it, and then you write a post that seems to be pretending I disagreed with a valid point you made that is actually in I Corinthians 10-14.
If you want to talk about the idea that prophecy must only be spoken in church, Paul said that either. In church, we have the benefit of 'let the other judge'... if the church follows that. But there is no command that prophecy never be spoken outside of a church setting either. It is debatable whether the prophecy Agabus gave Paul when he was staying with Philip the evangelist was given in a church setting either.
Yes. Of course the topic I brought up after you posted was that you said that the content of a prophecy had to be already 'known' in one post, and you said 'confirmation' in another. I comment on it, and then you write a post that seems to be pretending I disagreed with a valid point you made that is actually in I Corinthians 10-14.
If you want to talk about the idea that prophecy must only be spoken in church, Paul said that either. In church, we have the benefit of 'let the other judge'... if the church follows that. But there is no command that prophecy never be spoken outside of a church setting either. It is debatable whether the prophecy Agabus gave Paul when he was staying with Philip the evangelist was given in a church setting either.
Btw, I thought our fellow poster might be trying to find a church to go to where someone prophesied, as opposed to getting someone online to prophesy.
But I don't have a problem with either, if there is a genuine word from the Lord. Discerning might be safer in a church setting that actually practices 'let the other judge', along with the accountability of having a group there as witnesses. But getting an actual prophecy about a specific subject depends on what God wants to do.
But I don't have a problem with either, if there is a genuine word from the Lord. Discerning might be safer in a church setting that actually practices 'let the other judge', along with the accountability of having a group there as witnesses. But getting an actual prophecy about a specific subject depends on what God wants to do.
well, it does speak of what was to the tutorial intent the gifts of the Holy Spirit were for the church setting where ever they gathered.
the opening of the letter to the Corthinians from Paul was to whom? the lost? those on the streets or in the church setting?
hmmmm.
1cor 1:1
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
then what did Paul led to speak about?
4 I thank my God always concerning you (the church) for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, 5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, 6 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, 7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
Paul addressed immorality in the church and worldly church. As we read Paul in chapters 4,5, and 6 in 7, he addresses marriage 8 & 9 services. 10 flee idolatry chapter 11
Worship and the Lord’s Supper
in the church setting
12 through 14 gifts of the holy Spirit in the church setting
Chapter 15 witness f the resurrected lord and HIS coming.
the opening of the letter to the Corthinians from Paul was to whom? the lost? those on the streets or in the church setting?
hmmmm.
1cor 1:1
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
then what did Paul led to speak about?
4 I thank my God always concerning you (the church) for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, 5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, 6 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, 7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
Paul addressed immorality in the church and worldly church. As we read Paul in chapters 4,5, and 6 in 7, he addresses marriage 8 & 9 services. 10 flee idolatry chapter 11
Worship and the Lord’s Supper
in the church setting
12 through 14 gifts of the holy Spirit in the church setting
Chapter 15 witness f the resurrected lord and HIS coming.
great question. from the text of 1cor chapter 11 through 14 the church was a specific location in Corinthian and Jesus addressed 7 of them in Rev chapters 1 to 3.
The church is where two or more are gathered together in his name, but there is what is known as the ecclesia which paul clearly was writing to. There was a pastor and elders and those who were used in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. They came together to remember the death burial and resurrection of the Lord and shared communion
The church is where two or more are gathered together in his name, but there is what is known as the ecclesia which paul clearly was writing to. There was a pastor and elders and those who were used in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. They came together to remember the death burial and resurrection of the Lord and shared communion
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