Four blood: moons much to do about nothing.

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kentappel

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I do not believe the lunar tetrad, four total lunar eclipses in in 2014 and 2015, mean anything regarding Bible prophecy. The reason is that there is not just the so call blood moons talked about in the prophecy from the Book of Joel but a number of things happening. So blood moon by themselves leave most of it out. But the biggest thing, see the article below after the Bible passages I quoted, is that most of the blood moons in all of the events supposedly foretold by the blood moons occurred after the events they foretold and most of them were not even visible from Israel and as the article points out, one would think that for something to foretell that something is going to happen that the sign would have to come before the event.

Regarding the blood moons of 2014 and 2015 and also the total solar eclipse of March 2015, all but one of the eclipses will not be visible from Israel and that one will be right before sunrise in the dawn twilight so it will be hard to see. Should not signs be seen for them to be signs?

Joel 2:30-31

30 “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

“Therefore, the lunar and solar eclipses impacting Israel should be visible from there and occur before the world-changing events they foretell. But historically, in the first two instances (1493-1494 and 1949-1950), the signs occurred after the events to which they were supposed to point. The expulsion of the Jews from Spain and the discovery of the New World both occurred in 1492 before the four blood moons of 1493-1494. Furthermore, even though the Israeli War of Independence extended into 1949, the main event was the birth of the nation of Israel, which occurred in 1948.

In the final example of 1967-1968, Israel’s Six-Day War did take place after the first blood moon but before the final three. It again seems strange that all four would not have occurred before the important event of the retaking of Jerusalem. Additionally, only one of the eight blood moons of the last two historical precedents was fully visible from Israel (that of April 1950, after the event), four others were partially visible while the rest were not visible at all.4 Therefore, we are left with the problem of blood moons that were supposed to be God’s sign of His protecting His Jewish people occurring which could not be seen by His people or were seen after the events of which they spoke. And what of the upcoming eclipses? The first three total lunar eclipses in 2014-2015 won’t even be visible from Jerusalem, and only the beginning of the final eclipse will be. Also, the path of the total solar eclipse of 2015 is in the North Atlantic and Arctic Oceans, and there is a good chance that few people, if any, will actually see it.5 Mark Hitchcock comments, “Those who maintain that the four blood moons are a portent that something is about to change need to explain how something hidden to most of the world, and especially to those in Israel, can serve as a dramatic sign of the times for them.”

What about the Blood Moons?
 
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The issue with the blood moons is similar to that of the modern-day nation of Israel in the Middle East. Most Christians are viewing prophecy as completely futuristic (none of it has yet occurred), from a physical standpoint (literal Jews, literal Israel), or both. A thorough study of the relevant Scriptures would unveil a totally different outlook that the majority do not see. A setup for end-time deceptions.

God Bless
 

Blain

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Honestly I would correct the op as the blood moons have everything to do with bible prophecy but it would be pointless because i dont need to the next three blood moons will speak for themselves
 
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Honestly I would correct the op as the blood moons have everything to do with bible prophecy but it would be pointless because i dont need to the next three blood moons will speak for themselves
Not to mention that the sun, moon and stars are for signs, seasons and times.........oh well.....many just like to go off on a tangent about something!
 

Blain

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Did you know the last blood moon to happen which is in 2015 is not just a blood moon but it will be something called a super blood moon, it will be a super moon and be a blood moon and I dont know if that has ever happened before but it certainly means something
 
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Did you know the last blood moon to happen which is in 2015 is not just a blood moon but it will be something called a super blood moon, it will be a super moon and be a blood moon and I dont know if that has ever happened before but it certainly means something
Yeah I know, and if you look at the time frame we live in....it seems like it is all about to unravel anyway for sure!
 

Blain

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Yeah I know, and if you look at the time frame we live in....it seems like it is all about to unravel anyway for sure!
well Gods timeline is very different than ours. The jews kept God's timeline with the feast so for us gentiles 2015 starts on new year however the feast of trumpets starts the new year for the jews and it just so happens that the beginning of this year is started as whats known as the year of jubilee if you study the jewish feast days and how they use the seven year cycle and also see how even america uses this 7 year cycle thing you will find a lot of interesting facts regarding to bible prophecy.

Not to mention the blood moon tetrad is rare very rare especially to fall of feast days and every time these things appear something majorly biblical happens for both Israel and the world
 
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well Gods timeline is very different than ours. The jews kept God's timeline with the feast so for us gentiles 2015 starts on new year however the feast of trumpets starts the new year for the jews and it just so happens that the beginning of this year is started as whats known as the year of jubilee if you study the jewish feast days and how they use the seven year cycle and also see how even america uses this 7 year cycle thing you will find a lot of interesting facts regarding to bible prophecy.

Not to mention the blood moon tetrad is rare very rare especially to fall of feast days and every time these things appear something majorly biblical happens for both Israel and the world
I agree for sure.......Like Joel states...Before the great and terrible day of the Lord the MOON will be turned to blood.....as well as other scriptures that point to signs in the moon, sun and stars........The moon reflects the light of the sun onto a lost, depraved world...I believe it goes even deeper than most realize....I believe the moon represents the church and just as a church comes into existence and goes through the phases and eventually goes dark (dies out) like the churches in Revelation etc....the BLOOD moon will reflect the war made on the saints and wearing out of the saints by the beast/little horn of Revelation/Daniel and note that right before the resurrection/change (rapture) the sun, moon and stars will not give their light (light of the gospel message) as Christianity wanes, goes under ground and is persecuted and killed by the beast and his kingdom.....many will argue with this, but don't really care as this is my view and will stick with it until proof that leads to another conclusion....Will also add that the moon reflects the light of the SON (sun) onto a lost world just like the Lord's churches do!
 
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JesusIsAll

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But do these verses below refer to just eclipses, and, if such eclipses are the Biblical sign, why did not the day of the Lord happen centuries ago, if these "tetrads" are anything to do with the Biblical blood moon sign?

I'm not saying there's no possible shadow of things to come, but I do wonder where people around the web are getting the idea these eclipses are the sign of the apocalypse. Good speculation for book fodder, not good eschatology. I mean, is it not clear, then, the Revelation seals would have to already be way behind schedule?

Joel 2:30-31 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 
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Matthew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Romans 16:25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past,

Ephesians 2:7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

Ages means the stages or a periods of something.
 

JGIG

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It's fine to take note of what's going on around us. It's not to be our focus, however. Jesus said that when we see things happening to fear not, for our redemption draws nigh! We are to go about our Father's business in the spreading of the Good News of the Work of Christ to every tribe and nation.

I don't really understand this fascination with when the world may/may not end - if you are in Christ, you are READY! \o/ Our focus needs to be on presenting the Good News to those around us so that they can be ready, too!

All that said, here's an article for some perspective:

Blood Moons and Mark Biltz – Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015? – False teachers and date-setting regarding the end-times often go hand in hand. This article brings the claims of Biltz ‘down to earth’ and takes a realistic look at the data.​


-JGIG
 
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It's fine to take note of what's going on around us. It's not to be our focus, however. Jesus said that when we see things happening to fear not, for our redemption draws nigh! We are to go about our Father's business in the spreading of the Good News of the Work of Christ to every tribe and nation.

I don't really understand this fascination with when the world may/may not end - if you are in Christ, you are READY! \o/ Our focus needs to be on presenting the Good News to those around us so that they can be ready, too!

All that said, here's an article for some perspective:
Blood Moons and Mark Biltz – Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015? – False teachers and date-setting regarding the end-times often go hand in hand. This article brings the claims of Biltz ‘down to earth’ and takes a realistic look at the data.​


-JGIG
Anything that is written in the word of God is to be our focus....too many people reject the fact that if GOD gave it in his word it is to be studied, focused on and learned to the deepest possible conclusion...if it was not meant to be known and or learned then God would not have given it in his word! ALL scripture is inspired and profitable.......ALL means ALL when it comes to the word of God and the profit found therein!
 

crossnote

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Did you know the last blood moon to happen which is in 2015 is not just a blood moon but it will be something called a super blood moon, it will be a super moon and be a blood moon and I dont know if that has ever happened before but it certainly means something
That's the only one I am looking at with a bit of curiosity since it is the only one that will be seen from Jerusalem.
 

crossnote

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But do these verses below refer to just eclipses, and, if such eclipses are the Biblical sign, why did not the day of the Lord happen centuries ago, if these "tetrads" are anything to do with the Biblical blood moon sign?

I'm not saying there's no possible shadow of things to come, but I do wonder where people around the web are getting the idea these eclipses are the sign of the apocalypse. Good speculation for book fodder, not good eschatology. I mean, is it not clear, then, the Revelation seals would have to already be way behind schedule?

Joel 2:30-31 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Day of the Lord couldn't haapen until the Jews were back in their land IMHO.
 

kentappel

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It's fine to take note of what's going on around us. It's not to be our focus, however. Jesus said that when we see things happening to fear not, for our redemption draws nigh! We are to go about our Father's business in the spreading of the Good News of the Work of Christ to every tribe and nation.

I don't really understand this fascination with when the world may/may not end - if you are in Christ, you are READY! \o/ Our focus needs to be on presenting the Good News to those around us so that they can be ready, too!

All that said, here's an article for some perspective:
Blood Moons and Mark Biltz – Will Lunar Eclipses Cause Four Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015? – False teachers and date-setting regarding the end-times often go hand in hand. This article brings the claims of Biltz ‘down to earth’ and takes a realistic look at the data.​


-JGIG
Amen! I have noticed that some people who talk mostly about end times don't talk very much about the solution, the gospel of Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins and rose again on the third day!
 

crossnote

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Amen! I have noticed that some people who talk mostly about end times don't talk very much about the solution, the gospel of Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins and rose again on the third day!
True, but since about 25% of Scripture is prophecy it would be helpful if at least 10% of the sermons would cover such. I don't find here on CC an overdose of prophecy threads but I sure have seen an overdose of non essential threads.
 
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JesusIsAll

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True, but since about 25% of Scripture is prophecy it would be helpful if at least 10% of the sermons would cover such. I don't find here on CC an overdose of prophecy threads but I sure have seen an overdose of non essential threads.
Prophecy, also, aids in keeping our eyes on Christ and eternity, things to come. But the unfortunate other edge of that sword is, if half the threads on CC are bickering over doctrinal milk issues, just think what you'd get of more complex issues, requiring much Bible harmony. It gets very ugly.
 
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GaryA

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I believe the following verses are all talking about the same event-time-frame:

~ Isaiah 13:10
~ Matthew 24:29
~ Mark 13:24-25
~ Luke 21:25-26
~ Acts 2:20
~ Revelation 6:12-13
~ Revelation 8:7-12;9:1-3
~ Revelation 11:6

With regard to the prophecy related in these verses, I believe that - at the very least - a lunar eclipse is insignificant -- and - at best - a total solar eclipse could be significant.

Read the above verses - in their perspective contexts - very carefully.

"This is not just some simple 'darkening' event..." ( like an eclipse )

The sun is affected.
The moon is affected.
The stars are affected.

Yes - I realize that all of the things mentioned in these verses do not happen all-at-once; however, the 'signs' are meaningless if [ something ] doesn't start crashing to the earth [ fairly ] soon after those 'signs' ( within the framing of the context; some of these verses have a longer-than-you-might-think time-frame )...

Could a total solar eclipse be an 'initial' sign...??? I tend to think --- probably not...

Read Revelation 8:12 again - and again - and again.

:)
 
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JesusIsAll

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Day of the Lord couldn't haapen until the Jews were back in their land IMHO.
Agree, there has to be an Israel, but did you mean they aren't all there or something? I though you posted this once, that all the Jews that should be there aren't there, was interested in the thought (not sure it was you, though, but somebody said the Jews had to be all back in the land or something, and I wondered why).
 
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JesusIsAll

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With regard to the prophecy related in these verses, I believe that - at the very least - a lunar eclipse is insignificant -- and - at best - a total solar eclipse could be significant.
Long before this blood moons tetrad business, I've had a Bible picture of that dark time being knee deep in the tribulation, the context the final darkest times of God's judgment. As of now, or 2015, we can't be that close, in the Bible context of the day of the Lord. The rapture? Who knows? But not the day of the Lord.