Four blood moons, much to do about nothing.

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RickyZ

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Blain said:
the bible clearly states they are signs not the instigation of events
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One thing people have to wrap their heads around is that prophecy is part of the word of God and therefore it is eternal and not made moot by one passing. Prophecy is brought to fulfillment in a series of escalations. Take for example the prophecy of Jerusalem being sacked. It has been repeatedly. Every time it has happened, it has been a reverberation of God's word echoing thru time. And it will happen again, even more ferociously, in the future. So while we see signs and wonders and fearful things in the tribulation judgment and wrath of the trumpets seals and bowls, that's not to say there isn't a part of that manifesting today and even before now.

Do 4 close knit blood moons mean anything? Just that God gave me a heads up, in that as the end draws closer we'll see more of this kind of thing.
 
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Something I have learned is that there are no accidents and no coincidences.The blood moon to the jews is a bad omen in many cultures a blood moon symbolizes war or a great and terrible event coming and I find it interesting that this is exactly what the tribulation is. Can you explain to me how it has nothing to do with bible prophecy?
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What I mean is there are no biblical prophecies that have anything to do with eclipses on Jewish feast days. Maybe it has some significance in Jewish superstition but it has nothing to do with bible prophecy.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
There are also alot of metaphors in the bible.. "Turn to blood" is a metaphor for whatever it is that turns the moon red during an eclipse. :)
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That would be the bending of the reddish light wavelengths around the curvature of the earth by the earth's atmosphere, reflected back onto the moon. It's the same red lighting you see in a sunset, how the air catches it. Isn't it cool how God made it so it could do that?
 
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Blain said:
So you were expecting for the moon to literally turn to blood? In bible prophecy there is much symbolism so in saying the moon turning to blood clearly means the moon turning red
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No I don't think the literal moon will turn to blood but I believe the spiritual moon turned to blood when Jesus came the first time. The spiritual moon is Israel.
 
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There are also alot of metaphors in the bible.. "Turn to blood" is a metaphor for whatever it is that turns the moon red during an eclipse. :)
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I disagree, I don't think there are any metaphors in the bible. I do however know that the bible is written in symbolic language and I believe the symbols literally do exactly what the bible says. The symbolic moon will literally turn to symbolic blood.
 
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KJV1611 said:
What I mean is there are no biblical prophecies that have anything to do with eclipses on Jewish feast days. Maybe it has some significance in Jewish superstition but it has nothing to do with bible prophecy.
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You have to understand that you cannot judge something like based on one prophecy. When you read the bible to understand a verse often times we need to cross reference it from different areas of the bible and you will find that that verse is tied together with an entirely different verse and that one to another one and so on creating a web of verses with that verse in the middle and that web of verses fully explain that verse you began with.

The same is with bible prophecy, you cannot hope to understand the blood moon prophecy simply by going to the bible or on the web searching for all scriptures that have to do with the blood moon, that verse is only a part of the prophecy
 
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I disagree, I don't think there are any metaphors in the bible. I do however know that the bible is written in symbolic language and I believe the symbols literally do exactly what the bible says. The symbolic moon will literally turn to symbolic blood.
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Really? No metaphors, eh? What about the log in the eye? We DO NOT LITERALLY have a log in our eye. It just means we need to make sure we understand and can see a situation clearly, before we can judge anyone else. Or the one about take up thy cross and walk? Are we to literally carry a heavy cross on our backs? Nope. It means whatever burdens we have, we need to bear them, so we can walk them over to Jesus and give them to him. I believe the bible is chock full of metaphors. :)
 
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Blain, these blood moons were totally debunked long before they actually occurred and nothing happened. Just search on the internet, and you will find a HUGE number of links to sites which point out all the things that were wrong with this so-called prophecy.

"According to Biltz and Hagee, when this rare occurrence of blood moons falling on Jewish feast days have happened, it has coincided with a major event in Israel’s history. Therefore, since another tetrad cycle has begun, “something big is going to change” or a major event is set to take place (and Biltz originally suggested that in 2015 Jesus would make His Second Coming but has since backed off). But is this really the case?
The blood moon cycle of 1493-1494 is where Biltz and Hagee claim that the world was being warned about the Jewish people in Spain being expelled. However, when one looks at the actual dates, the Jewish Expulsion took place in 1492– the year before the blood moon cycle even started.
Similarly, with the 1949-1950 blood moon/tetrad cycle, it occurred two years after the United Nation declared Israel a nation and one year after its official formation in 1948. So again, rather than being a “prophetic warning of something major changing!”, the blood moons came after the event. So how could it be a warning? Why would God “warn” the Jewish people about a persecution event one year after it took place? The Bible is clear that God warns of events in detail before they take place. Additionally there are other tetrad cycles that have fallen on Jewish holidays where no events of significance took place – a fact Biltz and Hagee readily admit. So on a basic examination, the Blood Moon Theory does not hold up."

http://beginningandend.com/beware-of-the-four-blood-moons-deception/


"[H]ere’s the biggest reason why Christians might want to abstain from all of the Blood Moon nonsense: it’s the sin of divination.
What is divination? It is simply trying to predict the future through supernatural means. Astrology goes hand in hand: trying to tell the future based on the behavior of celestial bodies.What does the Bible say about it? Well, let’s just say- God doesn’t seem to be a fan. In the Old Testament is is listed as an abomination (Deut 18) and it is mentioned repeatedly throughout the OT- warning people not to listen to it, and not to participate in it. Further, in the NT (Acts 16), the disciples encounter a girl who was said to have the “spirit” of divination in her, and that her ability to tell the future was from an evil spirit. In short: both Old and New Testaments seem to view what John Hagee is doing as very, very evil.So, here’s the reader’s digest of the Blood Moon nonsense: Hagee’s theory is based on absolutely bad theology, and the entire practice of trying to tell the future by looking to celestial bodies is forbidden. That means the best case scenario for Hagee is that he’s a false prophet, and the worst is that he’s possessed by an evil spirit. The rest of us? My advice is to not pay it any attention, and certainly don’t spend any money on the book."

Blood Moon Abomination: Why Christians Shouldn’t Buy What Hagee is Selling


"But what about the coincidence of the four eclipses of 2014–2015 with Passover and Sukkot?
"No, it’s really not that unusual. Remember, a lunar eclipse happens only at full moon. We don’t follow a strictly lunar calendar today, but most ancient people, including the Hebrews, did. Their months began with the first appearance of the crescent of the new moon, which is a day or so after our modern definition of a new moon (when the moon and sun are in longitudinal conjunction). Reckoning from this point, fourteen days later, or the fifteenth of the month, always coincides with full moon.2
The civil year began near the autumnal equinox on the first day of the first month, and Jews today still celebrate Rosh Hashanah (New Year) then. However, at Sinai God established that the ceremonial year would begin in the spring, six months earlier. The festivals that the Hebrews were to observe on this ceremonial calendar are recorded in Leviticus 23. Passover is the fifteenth day of the first month and Sukkot begins on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, six months after Passover. Thus, Passover and Sukkot are always at full moon and always six months apart.
THE COINCIDENCE OF THESE FESTIVALS WITH LUNAR ECLIPSES IS NOT AS RARE AS BILTZ IMPLIES.​
There are roughly 29.5 days in a lunar month and thus 354 days in 12 lunar months. This contrasts with about 365 days in a solar year, so some adjustments must be made to keep solar and lunar calendars synchronized. The easiest adjustments are to alternate between 29 and 30 days per month and to add an additional, intercalary month about every three years. Eventually the Hebrews adopted the Metonic cycle, a method of adding intercalary months appropriately in a 19-year cycle, but it is doubtful that they adopted this immediately.3 The first of each month initially may have been observationally determined, but eventually, as today, a formula determined when the first of each month occurred, and that algorithm nearly always matches what one would normally observe as the beginning of the month.A lunar eclipse must happen exactly at full moon. On a lunar calendar the fifteenth of the month falls on or within a day of exact full moon, so any lunar eclipse must be on or within a day of the fifteenth of the month. Hence, any lunar eclipse that happens near the equinoxes must fall on or within a day of Passover (spring) or Sukkot (autumn). Therefore the coincidence of these festivals with lunar eclipses is not as rare as Biltz implies."

https://answersingenesis.org/astron...pses-cause-four-blood-moons-in-2014-and-2015/
 
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The great earthquake could happen very soon but the bible never said in which order it would be in regards to the moons and the earthquake. but the sixth seal happens in the tribulaton and as far as I can see we are not in the tribulation.
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The sixth seal is synonymous with the events of the earthquake, sun, moon and stars of Mt.24:29, that is, they are the same event. When that sixth seal take place I don't believe that the moon turning blood red is going to be from natural causes and therefore, I don't believe that the scientists are going to be able to predict it. It will be something other than a typical eclipse causing the moon to turn red, since we've had many of those from the beginning of time. Regarding the order of events, it does state first that there was a great earthquake followed by the sun being darkened and since that is the order in which John saw it take place in his vision, then that is most likely the order that it is going to take place in.
 
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Blain said:
You have to understand that you cannot judge something like based on one prophecy. When you read the bible to understand a verse often times we need to cross reference it from different areas of the bible and you will find that that verse is tied together with an entirely different verse and that one to another one and so on creating a web of verses with that verse in the middle and that web of verses fully explain that verse you began with.

The same is with bible prophecy, you cannot hope to understand the blood moon prophecy simply by going to the bible or on the web searching for all scriptures that have to do with the blood moon, that verse is only a part of the prophecy
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Ok so where is the rest of the prophecy? I'm speaking of the four blood moons and eclipses happening on feast days.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Really? No metaphors, eh? What about the log in the eye? We DO NOT LITERALLY have a log in our eye. It just means we need to make sure we understand and can see a situation clearly, before we can judge anyone else. Or the one about take up thy cross and walk? Are we to literally carry a heavy cross on our backs? Nope. It means whatever burdens we have, we need to bear them, so we can walk them over to Jesus and give them to him. I believe the bible is chock full of metaphors. :)
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I've found pretty much every linguistic form save hyperbole and sarcasm ;)
 
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Angela53510 said:
Blain, these blood moons were totally debunked long before they actually occurred and nothing happened
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And you totally missed his point that these are not harbingers of events.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Ok so where is the rest of the prophecy? I'm speaking of the four blood moons and eclipses happening on feast days.
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That isn't something I can post to you it requires a very deep study. I had done a very deep study on the blood moons whe I first learned about it I had written 7 pages front and back of information on the prophecy and it has a lot more than just blood moons it has to with a whole of the bible and most prophecies within the bible itself.
 
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The moon did turn to blood so the bible was spot on wasn't it?
if you study bible prophecy you cannot be looking for specific details like that, there much symbolism in the bible so how do you take that as full detailed info? the bible was made in a way where only God can reveal to us it's full meaning, just because it didn't say 4 blood moons doesn't discount the fact that what the bible said would happen happened
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No it wasn't spot on! You're missing the great earthquake, the sun being darkened and the stars falling from heaven to the earth. The word of God is full of details on different topics. As I said, the "moon" turning blood red is in the singular, that is, thee moon. All you are doing here is circumventing scripture to make it fit your interpretation. When those events of wrath begin, the inhabitants of the world will know it, as there will be no doubt about it. If I was here, using the word of God, I would be able to follow the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments like a road map, knowing exactly which event was coming next. The only events that I wouldn't be able to know are the one's that will be performed by the two witnesses.
 
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RickyZ said:
I've found pretty much every linguistic form save hyperbole and sarcasm ;)
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I'm fairly certain Jesus used sarcasm rather often. After all, he practically called the money changers in the temple, devil worshippers..lol
 
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Really? No metaphors, eh? What about the log in the eye? We DO NOT LITERALLY have a log in our eye. It just means we need to make sure we understand and can see a situation clearly, before we can judge anyone else. Or the one about take up thy cross and walk? Are we to literally carry a heavy cross on our backs? Nope. It means whatever burdens we have, we need to bear them, so we can walk them over to Jesus and give them to him. I believe the bible is chock full of metaphors. :)
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Good one lol. No, we don't have a literal log in our eyes, we have a spiritual log in our eye.... now granted I don't know what the spiritual log is.

Don't you literally take up your spiritual cross everyday? Sure you do, it's the spiritual device that crucifies your old man. Hey I can agree to disagree... metaphor or symbolic language is very close to the same idea. :)
 
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That isn't something I can post to you it requires a very deep study. I had done a very deep study on the blood moons whe I first learned about it I had written 7 pages front and back of information on the prophecy and it has a lot more than just blood moons it has to with a whole of the bible and most prophecies within the bible itself.
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I just don't see it that in the bible. Sorry. :)
 
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No it wasn't spot on! You're missing the great earthquake, the sun being darkened and the stars falling from heaven to the earth. The word of God is full of details on different topics. As I said, the "moon" turning blood red is in the singular, that is, thee moon. All you are doing here is circumventing scripture to make it fit your interpretation. When those events of wrath begin, the inhabitants of the world will know it, as there will be no doubt about it. If I was here, using the word of God, I would be able to follow the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments like a road map, knowing exactly which event was coming next. The only events that I wouldn't be able to know are the one's that will be performed by the two witnesses.
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If you knew me as well as most do on here you would know I don't twist scripture to fit my agenda. I am not forgetting the great earthquake but the bible never said the order of all these events in great detail and much of what we say is what prophecy is saying is based on our own interpretations. Bible prophecy is perhaps the most difficult to understand, the rapture the tribulation the antichrist the beasts and kingdoms of the end times all of this many have given their views on and claimed it to be the truth but honestly I never once seen one person know the full truth or fully understand bible prophecy.
 
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I just don't see it that in the bible. Sorry. :)
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We also don't see God do we?
Do you believe because you see or do you see because you believe? Just because you do not see it in the bible does that mean it isn't there? The bible holds many hidden truths that most of are us blind to but does that mean they aren't there?
 
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We also don't see God do we?
Do you believe because you see or do you see because you believe? Just because you do not see it in the bible does that mean it isn't there? The bible holds many hidden truths that most of are us blind to but does that mean they aren't there?
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Sure we can't see God but everything we can possibly know about God comes from what is written about him in the bible. And yes I agree there are many hidden truths in the bible, but the tetrad on feast days come from Jewish mysticism not the bible.
 
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