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Magenta

Magenta

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notuptome said:
... I'm not a Calvinist. Not Arminian either but I do believe that you must see yourself as lost before you can get saved.

For the cause of Christ
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Amen, and so true! Part of repentance is agreeing with God about the true state of our condition before Him.

‘The Sovereign Lord, the Holy God of Israel, says to the people, ‘Come back and quietly trust in me. Then you will be strong and secure.’ But you refuse to do it!’ Isaiah 30:15

The call to repentance is at the heart of the gospel, and is one of the most consistent themes of the Bible. Jesus began earthly His ministry with the call: ‘Repent and believe the Good News’ (Mark 1:15).
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Personally, I like HOOR theology.
His Obedience Our Righteousness.

For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. (Rom 5:19) HOORAH
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that is exactly true and I made that point some pages back

it is because of Christ's righteousness that we are made righteous...and His righteousness came through His obedience

I was sorry to see this thread turn into the OSAS 3000
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

HeRoseFromTheDead

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7seasrekeyed said:
I was sorry to see this thread turn into the OSAS 3000
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There's a certain mindset that can only see works of law in the word works. Works in faith make no sense to that mindset. I think we need a bumber sticker that says "It's OK to do good works".
 
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7seasrekeyed

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
There's a certain mindset that can only see works of law in the word works. Works in faith make no sense to that mindset. I think we need a bumber sticker that says "It's OK to do good works".
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found this one.....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Stunnedbygrace said:
Doesn't help, but thanks for trying. It will have to be spaghetti, salad and garlic bread. I don't control these things.
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I had 2 bologna sandwich for lunch, But spaghetti and Garlic bread for dinner would be awesome!
 
Magenta

Magenta

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
There's a certain mindset that can only see works of law in the word works. Works in faith make no sense to that mindset. I think we need a bumber sticker that says "It's OK to do good works".
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All that I know affirm good works follow saving faith. The issue seems to be whether or not one can lose their secured salvation if they have no works. Then dead faith is brought into the equation, when a dead faith is not faith at all (from my perspective).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Magenta said:
Let us settle this with some cake :D

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Your attacking people with you purpleness, How dare you!! This has been going on for years now. Don;t you ever give up?? :p

lol.. Love your royal cake. can I have some??
 
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eternally-gratefull

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7seasrekeyed said:
that is exactly true and I made that point some pages back

it is because of Christ's righteousness that we are made righteous...and His righteousness came through His obedience

I was sorry to see this thread turn into the OSAS 3000
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The name of the op directed it there. Plus the OPS past.. but I digress.

Actually I can not remember OSAS even being brought up. Who turned it into an OSAS debate? I thoought it was what gave us assurance in Christ. Our works. Or Gods work?
 
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Pontiac

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I believe many here are right about the things that lead unto salvation ... Good works, obedience, the seeking of forgiveness and acknowledging that Jesus died for our sins and rose again ... Even if only one or two of these are necessary to receive salvation I believe there should be no argument that they are ALL good ... Why not try our best to do them all ? ... To rely only upon the minimal requirements to enter into heaven seems as though that could be considered vanity to me ... Do everything good and one will bode well in the eyes of the LORD ... I do not believe God wants for us to consider ourselves saved and then to simply go and do as we wish ...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
There's a certain mindset that can only see works of law in the word works. Works in faith make no sense to that mindset. I think we need a bumber sticker that says "It's OK to do good works".
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Who here says it is a bad thing to do works. I shoudl have known, I uniggied you because the op said you made an amazing post. and here you are attacking and falsely accusing people again. (which is why I had you on iggie to begin with)

One more time.

People are are saved DO WORK, because they have ACTUAL FAITH,

he who is disobedient has NEVER SEEN GOD. (again the apostle john trumps)

the issue is NOT obedience.

thje issue is

1. Our salvation is MAINTAINED by obedience (the flesh) which paul calls those fools who teach that

2. Our assurance is based on obedience (not faith not the promises of CHrist, not our position in christ you know, all the bible verses I posted earlier in this thread NOT ONE OF YOU responded to.

Do I need to put you back as a slanderer. or will you repent?
 
Magenta

Magenta

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eternally-gratefull said:

Your attacking people with you purpleness, How dare you!! This has been going on for years now. Don;t you ever give up?? :p

lol.. Love your royal cake. can I have some??
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It is true that I am a very stubborn person, and that I am very attached to my purpleness :)

Yes, you may have some cake :) But we really ought to have some lasagna first :D

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eternally-gratefull

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blue_ladybug said:
Not gonna say who, but there are quite a few people on this thread who seriously need to GROW UP...
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Is it me? I am a big boy I can handle chastening) if it is, please forgive me, some people just rub me the wrong way, It is always the same select few. I get along with alot of you, even people I disagree with.
 
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Magenta said:
It is true that I am a very stubborn person, and that I am very attached to my purpleness :)

Yes, you may have some cake :) But we really ought to have some lasagna first :D
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Eating lasagna as I speak... er type. Yours looks way better.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Magenta said:
It is true that I am a very stubborn person, and that I am very attached to my purpleness :)

Yes, you may have some cake :) But we really ought to have some lasagna first :D

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see, You always know what I need before I say it!!..lol
 
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eternally-gratefull

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Works in Faith

  1. In your faith supply the desire and will to do good;
  2. and supply in your will to do good the knowledge that there is nothing good in you, and all goodness comes from GOD;
  3. and supply in your knowledge that only GOD is good the self-control to not run ahead of GOD doing your own dead works;
  4. and supply in your self-control the patient endurance to endure suffering while waiting for the guidance of GOD's spirit;
  5. and supply in your patient endurance the godly behavior of seeking GOD's glory instead of your own glory;
  6. and supply in your godliness the brotherly affection that esteems others better than yourself;
  7. and supply in your brotherly affection the love (agape) that lays down it's life for the brethren.
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was this the post that supposed to shut me up and take me to my knees?

I actually agree with everything said here. in fact, I have maintained the same things since I have been here, (I even pretty much said the same thing earlier in the thread, when I said FAITH CAUSES WORKS.) so how did this post slam dunk prove me wrong?

it just goes to show that people do not listen to a thing anyone says, if they would listen, they would not make such mistakes.

I just have to LAUGH.
 
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joaniemarie

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
The wages of sin is spiritual death.
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The wages of sin is death both physically and spiritually. Adam died "spiritually" when he and Eve sinned... and they brought upon themselves physical death too. They subjected themselves (and us) to the death that sin brings in ALL IT'S FORMS.

Just as we do today when we walk in sin., when we allow sin to deceive us believing it by looking at; the world...the flesh... the devil... and walk in our limited reasoning... and not in the new spirit we were born again into who IS created in righteousness that obeys the Holy Spirit. If we choose to walk in sin., sin has dominion over us because we open that door. God doesn't zap us... the occasion of sin does.
 
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