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Israel

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I don't know, that's a valid question.

I have wondered the same thing myself. I guess we need to individually consult God on that matter, and see how He leads us. My husband was raised that you couldn't even go to the store and buy bread on the Sabbath, that you simply went to church and came home and rested with the family.

I'll admit I have purchased bread, but I haven't felt convicted by God not to, however if I was, I most certainly would stop.

Interesting thought isn't it?
John 5:15-17

The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.

16And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Did Jesus break the commandment? God forbid! Not only does He declare that He works on the Sabbath day, but His Father as well!

What work are we supposed to rest from? I used to be one to debate about the importance of Saturday over Sunday. I was one that believed that Sunday was part of the mark of the beast as Sunday is dedicated to ancient pagan sun worship. But you know what the irony is? Saturday is also named in honor of a roman god! The true weekly Sabbath has nothing to do with our literal days. It is lawful to do good any day of the week!
 
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John 5:15-17

The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.

16And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Did Jesus break the commandment? God forbid! Not only does He declare that He works on the Sabbath day, but His Father as well!

What work are we supposed to rest from? I used to be one to debate about the importance of Saturday over Sunday. I was one that believed that Sunday was part of the mark of the beast as Sunday is dedicated to ancient pagan sun worship. But you know what the irony is? Saturday is also named in honor of a roman god! The true weekly Sabbath has nothing to do with our literal days. It is lawful to do good any day of the week!

When did anyone say anything about not doing good on the sabbath? I thought we were discussing creation, and the law of keeping the sabbath holy by honouring it and not working. Now I'm really confused, so many topics lol!
 
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Israel

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That seems like a valid argument. You are correct in saying the bible never mentions anywhere a specified ending of the seventh day, but then that opens up so many more questions like..

1) If the seventh day never ended are we to assume the present day we're living in is still a continuation of the seventh day?

2) If that is the case, then why did God decide to have specific start and end periods for the first six days?

3) If we're living in a continuation of the seventh day, then why do we still have nightfall, and sunrise? Why wouldn't we just be in continual daylight? I mean if the sun came up on the seventh day, and the day never ended, then shouldn't it be constant daylight? The bible says God created the sun and the moon and light and darkness to separate day from night. So if the day never ended, why do we need to separate it from any other day?
You're still thinking as creature of the flesh. God is Spirit! Our literal seven day week gives witness to God's plan. Think about this. God said that we are to circumcised on the eighth day. And all who is not will be cut off from among his people. Yet, Abraham was circumcised at NINETY YEARS OLD! His son Isaac was circumcised on the eighth day literally, according to the letter but it was Abraham who was the father of all those that believe. On God's spiritual eighth day we must be circumcised or be cut off!
 

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You're still thinking as creature of the flesh. God is Spirit! Our literal seven day week gives witness to God's plan. Think about this. God said that we are to circumcised on the eighth day. And all who is not will be cut off from among his people. Yet, Abraham was circumcised at NINETY YEARS OLD! His son Isaac was circumcised on the eighth day literally, according to the letter but it was Abraham who was the father of all those that believe. On God's spiritual eighth day we must be circumcised or be cut off!
And your still thinking as one under the Law Israel.
Your quote about Abraham makes no sense what so ever.

the only thing that made sense in your statement is : 'Abraham who was the father of all those who believe'

phil
 
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I'm not sure why. Maybe it is just stubbornness? I love the universe and paleontology etc, and it sees so... disappointing if everything isn't older than 6-7 thousand years 8which would logically follow if the bible uses literal time that is running throughout it without leaps)

I can't see how stars can be that young
Time dilation

when God stretched out the heavens the watch on the edges of the universe spun around like a...........
...............clock
 
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And your still thinking as one under the Law Israel.
Your quote about Abraham makes no sense what so ever.

the only thing that made sense in your statement is : 'Abraham who was the father of all those who believe'

phil
Exodus 20:1-17

And God spake all these words, saying,

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

I never said that we were under the letter of the law but this is spiritual.

Exodus 31:12-17

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

God said forever! I don't think forever was yesterday. And for a God who said "I change not," why do we continually do that? For one to believe that the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath was nailed to the cross, by definition, won't have to obey the commandments on murder, or stealing or any other commandment contained in His moral law.

Exodus 40:20-21

And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:
21And he brought the ark into the tabernacle, and set up the vail of the covering, and covered the ark of the testimony; as the LORD commanded Moses.

The ten commandments were place INSIDE the Ark. Where were the laws about everything else placed?

Deuteronomy 31:24-26

And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

25That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, 26Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

This is the part of the law that was added and place on the side of the ark as a WITNESS against us!

Romans 7:14

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law Paul talks about here are the ten commandments that were placed inside the ark. When Cain killed Abel and was sent from the presence of God, there was no written law about murder. But Cain by his spirit, new that it was wrong.

Colossians 2:9-14

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

This is the part of the law that was place on the side of the ark for a witness against us! The letter was indeed taken away, but whereas the ordinances were place outside of the ark showed of it's temporary (school master) usage, the law placed inside the ark showed that by the spirit, this was the part that is written in our hearts.
 
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What? I'm sorry I don't understand this question.

I also don't understand why people have to make simple things so complicated. Why is it so hard to believe that God created the earth in six literal days? Why, if we can believe in God, believe he died and rose again, believe he was born of a virgin mother, why can't we believe that he created the world in six days. I find this hard to dispute...it's right there in Genesis for us all to read.
That question could easily be turned around :) Why is it so hard to believe that G-d created the earth through a lengthy process of evolution? If you can believe in G-d, believe He allowed mortal man to kill Him and rose again, believe He was born of a virgin, why can't you believe that He created the world in millions and millions of years?

After all, G-d's time is not ours. G-d used man to write the Scriptures and He had man write the Scriptures in such a way that man could understand - but His time is not ours, and even the Scriptures say a day is like a thousand years to G-d. So why couldn't He have taken millions and millions of years and created the process of evolution?
 
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Reason for post: It seems that we have some anti-fundamentalists using this site so I just wanted to make it clear that the admin and moderator team (and I hope the majority of users, I hope) are indeed Bible-believing fundamentalists (and we don't want our site to be represented by fundamentalist-bashers who don't believe the Bible).

With all respect, if this forum/chat is Christian, In my opinion, posts like these should be avoided, if you want to make it an exclusive Fundamentalist forum, many posts and questions should have been already banned. I think the Bible should always be believed in each story individual's context and taking in account all the background/time frame and theology studies involved. I do have many fundamentalist beliefs, but I do question things, and I think we are entitled to question, the non questioning of all these things have lead into an unbalanced extremist way of living and ignorance, which has lead onto regrettable separation instead of unity.
I think it's irrelevant if you totally believe or not the fact about Jonah being swallowed by a big fish, or part of it or it in a different context. What matters I believe is we do believe in the reason all this was written, and this is Jesus Christ.

People will have discussions about so many things in the Bible, and I think this does not lead to any better thing than separation, our judgement and unbalance.
Also, the issue about submission of the woman has to be understood in it's own context and it is a very delicate subject which has led into some more extremist beliefs, because the line isn't clearly drawn, so some people, especially male christians, put that line wherever they want to, or feels the most comfortable to place it.

I would also like to say that Jesus is God, but he also IS a man. Because he resurrected on the flesh and still lives.

Another thing is, i know this is in some other post, and probably doesn't have to do with this one: Jesus is God, but we have to realize our logic doesn't fit here the same way, stating Jesus is God, doesn't mean God died on the cross, nor Mary is the mother of God.

I do believe Jesus is the way to God. But Jesus didn't come to set up a Religion, we made up religions. So the statement saying all other religions are false and from the devil is deceiving, Religion period isn't the way to God. Jesus did not intend to set up a religion. And in the end, if somebody has not heard from Jesus and the Gospel, it's up to God to allow him into Heaven or not, not up to us to judge and decide about those people.

Blessings,

Flyboy
 
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Flyboy:

I think you've completely misunderstood the intention of this thread. RoboOp (the Administrator of this site) made it because we had many people on here posting things clearly against the basic beliefs of Christianity (such as those listed in the first post) and then when others tried to explain why we believe such things, they were deemed fundamentalists.

This isn't an exclusive 'fundamentalism' thread as you say... the point was to highlight the fact you can't pick and choose what you wanna believe. You either believe or you don't. ie: You can't say you're a Christian, and then not believe in the resurrection, or the virgin birth or whatever.

Do you see my point? People here were arguing that those of us who believe the simple facts such as those listed in the first post, must have been fundamentalists. No, we're just bible-believing Christians. Plain and simple.

I find it interesting in your post that you refer to the issue of women in submission and say the line isn't clearly drawn? You need to go back and read 1st Timothy... it's VERY CLEAR. Or 1st Corinithians 14:34... can't be much clearer.

I must say I'm confused about your post. Are you saying you can believe in Jesus, but then not believe he died on the cross, or was born of the virgin Mary? If you don't believe those things, then you don't believe. You are simply denying the bible and the truth within it. In short, you either believe or you don't.

Also, you're right it's not up to us to judge people if they haven't heard the gospel... but it IS up to us to consider WHY they haven't heard.

Mark 16:15 'Go into ALL the world, and preach the good news to ALL creation'.

If someone hasn't heard, we've only ourselves to blame, and at the end of the day we have to answer to God for that. Now, I know that there are people in extreme regions who may not be accessible or whatever. That's why we have missions, that's why we pray. God won't return until ALL the ends of the earth have a chance to hear the gospel. It's just up to us, to make sure we take those chances, and preach it when we see the opportunity.

You're right, Jesus didn't set up a religion, he wants us to have a relationship with him. That is the only way to salvation.

Religions that are man-made are clearly decieving and of the devil. Think about it.. what's the difference between religion and 'Christianity'?

I'll tell you they're spelt differently. Religion is spelt 'DO'... it's all about what you have to DO, to get to heaven. You have to eat certain foods, and pray certain times, and participate in ritualistic things, it's all about what you have to DO, and all the things you have to have in order to please a so-called 'God'...

Christianity is spelt 'DONE'... it's all about what God has already DONE for us. He paid that price for all of us, regardless of if we choose to believe it. However, if we deny Him, there are consequences. We don't have to DO anything, we don't have to perform sacrifices, and pray a million times a day, and eat certain foods, we just have to accept, and love and follow his ways. That's it. Everything else, He has already done.
 
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flyboy01

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Flyboy:

I think you've completely misunderstood the intention of this thread. RoboOp (the Administrator of this site) made it because we had many people on here posting things clearly against the basic beliefs of Christianity (such as those listed in the first post) and then when others tried to explain why we believe such things, they were deemed fundamentalists.

This isn't an exclusive 'fundamentalism' thread as you say... the point was to highlight the fact you can't pick and choose what you wanna believe. You either believe or you don't. ie: You can't say you're a Christian, and then not believe in the resurrection, or the virgin birth or whatever.

Do you see my point? People here were arguing that those of us who believe the simple facts such as those listed in the first post, must have been fundamentalists. No, we're just bible-believing Christians. Plain and simple.

I find it interesting in your post that you refer to the issue of women in submission and say the line isn't clearly drawn? You need to go back and read 1st Timothy... it's VERY CLEAR. Or 1st Corinithians 14:34... can't be much clearer.

I must say I'm confused about your post. Are you saying you can believe in Jesus, but then not believe he died on the cross, or was born of the virgin Mary? If you don't believe those things, then you don't believe. You are simply denying the bible and the truth within it. In short, you either believe or you don't.

Also, you're right it's not up to us to judge people if they haven't heard the gospel... but it IS up to us to consider WHY they haven't heard.

Mark 16:15 'Go into ALL the world, and preach the good news to ALL creation'.

If someone hasn't heard, we've only ourselves to blame, and at the end of the day we have to answer to God for that. Now, I know that there are people in extreme regions who may not be accessible or whatever. That's why we have missions, that's why we pray. God won't return until ALL the ends of the earth have a chance to hear the gospel. It's just up to us, to make sure we take those chances, and preach it when we see the opportunity.

You're right, Jesus didn't set up a religion, he wants us to have a relationship with him. That is the only way to salvation.

Religions that are man-made are clearly decieving and of the devil. Think about it.. what's the difference between religion and 'Christianity'?

I'll tell you they're spelt differently. Religion is spelt 'DO'... it's all about what you have to DO, to get to heaven. You have to eat certain foods, and pray certain times, and participate in ritualistic things, it's all about what you have to DO, and all the things you have to have in order to please a so-called 'God'...

Christianity is spelt 'DONE'... it's all about what God has already DONE for us. He paid that price for all of us, regardless of if we choose to believe it. However, if we deny Him, there are consequences. We don't have to DO anything, we don't have to perform sacrifices, and pray a million times a day, and eat certain foods, we just have to accept, and love and follow his ways. That's it. Everything else, He has already done.
I see your point Iraasuup, and I understand people are arguing about these things, and I myself have pretty fundamentalist beliefs myself, I just don't think the way RoboOp I don't care if he's the site admin of the site or who he is, he's not my boss, but like I said, I do it with all the respect. The reason why I posted this, is because I think we have to do better as christians, than saying ok these are my beliefs: Jonah was swallowed by a fish, and the red sea was parted in two.

I think if christian forums were created, then questioning many things is also encouraged, and if these people are challenging basic christian beliefs, we have to do just a little better than just stating what we believe, I think what we believe is understood from the start.

''You can't say you're a Christian, and then not believe in the resurrection, or the virgin birth or whatever"
I of course believe in this, but I am sure you can be a Christian and have different views about '' a literal world-wide flood, where God spared 8 people and animals in an ark'' For example. Not that you don't believe what it says, just that you have a different interpretation, I mean that's why God gave us minds which full potential we haven't yet reached.

You tell me that, 1st Timothy... is VERY CLEAR. I have been a christian for more than 15 years, and I have been read this and 1st Corinithians 14:34 and 35. I think almost every christian knows what those passages say. If the line seems so clear here, then why are these verses so misleading and become and excuse for women abuse? And why if the line is drawn so clear as it says, I mean I have gone to a church all my life which is VERY strict with this matter, don't get me wrong, but many of these churches like to twist things in such a manner that, oh, so if there's no men, then it's ok for women to talk, teach and do whatever they well please? So if we just modify and force this a little, they are allowed? I don't see any of this in the bible, if the line is so clear and says NO to women, then why is a higher percentage of the christian population not following these guidelines?

''Religions that are man-made are clearly decieving and of the devil.''
All religions are man made. Jesus did not form nor intended to form a religion, Christianity turned into a religion afterwards, and then divided in what it's known today.

Again, I am not against fundamentalism completely, I am just not for the way it was addressed in this post.

I'll tell you they're spelt differently. Religion is spelt 'DO'... it's all about what you have to DO, to get to heaven. You have to eat certain foods, and pray certain times, and participate in ritualistic things, it's all about what you have to DO, and all the things you have to have in order to please a so-called 'God'...

Christianity is spelt 'DONE'... it's all about what God has already DONE for us. He paid that price for all of us, regardless of if we choose to believe it. However, if we deny Him, there are consequences. We don't have to DO anything, we don't have to perform sacrifices, and pray a million times a day, and eat certain foods, we just have to accept, and love and follow his ways. That's it. Everything else, He has already done.
I completely agree with this.

Thanks,

Flyboy
 
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iraasuup

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You say RoboOp isn't your Boss. That may be so, but you need to understand the context in which this thread was made.

After having to ban a bunch of people for posting teachings against the bible, this thread was created to clear up the misconceptions. Now regardless of who you consider your Boss, the fact remains this is a Christian chat site, and there are rules which apply to ALL members. We all agree to them upon registration. Anyone who disagrees with them, or feels they can't behave within those guidelines, would be better off not contributing.

Robo and (all the Moderator and Admin team) don't want there to be any misinterpretations here. We don't want it to be seen that we're willingly allowing people to post whatever they like here (regardless of if it contradicts God's word or not)...but that's what people seem to think.

So, the whole point of this thread was to clear up that misconception.

I hope that makes sense.
 
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flyboy01

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You say RoboOp isn't your Boss. That may be so, but you need to understand the context in which this thread was made.

After having to ban a bunch of people for posting teachings against the bible, this thread was created to clear up the misconceptions. Now regardless of who you consider your Boss, the fact remains this is a Christian chat site, and there are rules which apply to ALL members. We all agree to them upon registration. Anyone who disagrees with them, or feels they can't behave within those guidelines, would be better off not contributing.

Robo and (all the Moderator and Admin team) don't want there to be any misinterpretations here. We don't want it to be seen that we're willingly allowing people to post whatever they like here (regardless of if it contradicts God's word or not)...but that's what people seem to think.

So, the whole point of this thread was to clear up that misconception.

I hope that makes sense.
It's RoboOp's site, he can do whatever he wants with it, I was just saying what I thought. I understand where you are coming from Iraasuup.
 
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Lifelike

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Well, it's a scientifically accurate bandwagon, so I'd throw my chips in with the ones with evidence :p

In all seriousness, though, why can't the two ideas co-exist? Why can't G-d have used evolution as His means of creation?

The bible says that through one man sin came into the world. Not before. There was no death before sin, there was no process of life/ death/ mutation etc before Adam. Mutation and genetic deterioration is due to rebellion against God (Life) We were given dominion over the whole earth and as we have fallen into bondage so has the whole of creation. It doest function as it should and never will until it is brought back into submission to christ. The restoration of all things. And once again we will rule with Him. The theory of Evoluton is not compatible with Christ's teachings or Christianity, but one of the end time "delusions" that even the elect might be deceived - if that be possible. Another is the new age, the deception of the antichrist, and focus on self for safety and security and assurance.
 
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We have to realize that the seventh day never ended. You can't find it anywhere in the Bible! The Bible says we were made in God's image. Our literal seven day week is also an image. By assuming that the seventh day ended in Genesis, we now begin to put God in OUR IMAGE! We are commanded not to add anything to His Word or He will add to us the curses contained in His word. We are also told not to make any graven image of God and yet we are guilty of it right from Genesis!

Yeah but if the first 6 were literal days, which it seems they were, then it would follow that the 7th was also and the 8th, 9th, 10th etc. just as days have been morning and evening ever since...the idea that the 7th day is still in effect seems to me to just be an assumption - theres no biblical evidence to back that up. When the Apostles explained the substance of the old testament types and shadows it was quite obvious they were perceiving the truth without the veil and it bore witness with the spirit in those that heard and believed and they were converted - or at the very least sent into a rage to defend the lies that protected their position, but i dont see the point of the seventh day belief. Im not saying its not possible, just doesnt seem logical or scriptural to me..
 
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didnt god on the 3rd day gave light on earth with then split day and night on earth given us our days (full rotation) so how did god know how long a day was before he gave days on earth

Because He's da man, i think He sorted it out before He started, He's the Master Strategist.
 
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John 5:15-17

16And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
So here is God working again.. did He start again on the 8th? haha

I think to observe the Sabbath and honour it is to turn away from your own desires and pursuits and acknowledge and persue his, this is Love. We can see this in not living our lives for ourselves any longer but Christ living in us fulfilling the Fathers will. Observing the weekly literal Sabbath though is a powerful display of respect honour and obedience.
 
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You're still thinking as creature of the flesh. God is Spirit! Our literal seven day week gives witness to God's plan. Think about this. God said that we are to circumcised on the eighth day. And all who is not will be cut off from among his people. Yet, Abraham was circumcised at NINETY YEARS OLD! His son Isaac was circumcised on the eighth day literally, according to the letter but it was Abraham who was the father of all those that believe. On God's spiritual eighth day we must be circumcised or be cut off!

I think to get your point accross Israel you need to lay some foundations and some premise. There are a few concepts you are obviously holding on to that are not standard, present day, christian beliefs. Your speaking in riddles and only telling half the story. Not meaning to be critical in the negative but if you have a wholesome, balanced, christian, biblical belief then u might need to start from the beginning.. maybe. All respect intended. Your perspective does interest me, but im not sold. Are u an actual Israeli? if so im honoured to be able to speak to you, but with all due respect (and i do respect israel and cant WAIT for their restoration - as its Gods heart, and therefore mine if im i line with Him) i dont believe that God is giving understanding or revelation of this nature except through Christ - in whom the veil is removed.
 
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Exodus 20:1-17


This is the part of the law that was place on the side of the ark for a witness against us! The letter was indeed taken away, but whereas the ordinances were place outside of the ark showed of it's temporary (school master) usage, the law placed inside the ark showed that by the spirit, this was the part that is written in our hearts.

Nice point, The ten commandments (moral) laws have never passed away, but the ceremonial laws have. havent seen this inside/ outside of the ark perspective before. Thanks