Gap Theory?

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eternally-gratefull

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I don’t think the Creation story is supposed to be understood as a textbook. I’m totally on board with Him creating everything but it doesn’t make sense as written. It surely didn’t take millions of years...but days? What was the rush? I really don’t think there was one. If we serve an Almighty God who is in such a hurry, then why be so patient now? If He likes things so perfect so quickly then why wait until we completely mess this world up before He returns to fix it?
i think it makes complete sense, in fact it goes with hebrew literature, where you go over the same event multiple times, each time with more detail

and if God wanted to make the world in 6 days and rest the seventh, I do not see Any problem with this, God can do whatever he wants,
 

ewq1938

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The gap theory is a valid argument. The text does not state whether there is or isn't a gap. We simply cannot assume that verse two took place immediately after verse one and that is the case for a great deal of scriptures throughout the bible.




The idea of a gap in scripture is proven in the example of the reading of scriptures by Christ concerning his first and second comings. A gap is found in the middle of a verse but is not apparent in the casual reading of that verse yet a gap is there.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.


He stopped reading the entire verse because there would be a gap between the first part and the last part so a gap between the first 69 years and the 70th is not a new concept.


Isaiah 61:2. To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, (((GAP IS HERE))) and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn

If a gap is found right there in the midst of a verse then can anyone say it is impossible for a gap of time to be here:


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

(((GAP OF UNKNOWN TIME LENGTH HERE)))

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/1143160133-2504.html


Also, the Hebrew word for "was" without form is hayah and the tense that the verb is Qal which means "to become". Therefore the verse actually says "And the earth BECAME without form, and void;" meaning that God originally created the earth complete and that at some point it BECAME void and without form. Some form of destruction took place which strengthens the "gap theory".


01961 hayah {haw-yaw}

a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v

AV - was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become,
pertained, better for thee; 75

1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
1a) (Qal)
1a1) -----
1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about,
come to pass

1a1b) to come about, come to pass
1a2) to come into being, become
1a2a) to arise, appear, come
1a2b) to become
1a2b1) to become
1a2b2) to become like
1a2b3) to be instituted, be established
1a3) to be
1a3a) to exist, be in existence
1a3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)
1a3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word
of locality)
1a3d) to accompany, be with
1b)
(Niphal)
1b1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about
1b2) to be done, be finished, be gone


In addition, the "mood" of the verb is "perfect" and it affects the meaning in this way: "The Perfect expresses a completed action." This means that the earth was not created void but indeed BECAME void in an action that is completed by the second verse of Genesis.


So, according to the rules of Hebrew verb tenses, it is not "was void" as if it was made that way but it "became void" as the voidness "came into being".


Genesis 1:2 And the earth [BECAME] without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Scripture has a second witness of this truth:



Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

God did not create the earth void and without form as Genesis is thought to state. God destroyed the world and then recreated everything within it and that's what we read and see in the Genesis account. This is also why scientific evidence that God left behind affirms that the earth is much older than 6000-7000 years.




Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Verse 9 shows the first arrival of the Messiah

Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

And verse 10 shows the second advent. As of this century there is a gap of time between those two events that is about 2000 plus years and growing daily until he does in fact return.


Verse 9 was fulfilled here:

Mat 21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
Mat 21:6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
Mat 21:7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.


Verse 10 won't be fulfilled until the second coming but the OT scriptures do not explain there is a gap of time.


Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Here again is a gap of time within verse 6. Jesus is born, and then there is an unknown period of time before "the government shall be upon his shoulder" and "the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever" which naturally is completed at the second coming or even the eternity after judgement day.





Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Mat 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

How much time passed between the angels ministering unto Christ and when he heard about John being imprisoned?

Mar_1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

According to Mark, John was in prison before Jesus returned to Galilee from being tempted in the wilderness so there is an unspoken gap of time between Matthew 4:11 and 4:12
 

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The theory that there was a space of time between Gen. 1 vs 1 and 2. I find that it would explain some things but im not sure. Anyone care to comment?
There is no biblical basis for this theory. And the Ten Commandments refute any such idea.

There is no scientific basis for the theory of evolution either. And Darwin realized that he was treading on thin ice.
 

p_rehbein

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How on earth can ANYONE deny the Gap? I never ceased to be amazed by some of what I read here........

Shoot! There's one in every Mall I ever been in!

 
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The gap theory is a valid argument. The text does not state whether there is or isn't a gap. We simply cannot assume that verse two took place immediately after verse one and that is the case for a great deal of scriptures throughout the bible.




The idea of a gap in scripture is proven in the example of the reading of scriptures by Christ concerning his first and second comings. A gap is found in the middle of a verse but is not apparent in the casual reading of that verse yet a gap is there.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.


He stopped reading the entire verse because there would be a gap between the first part and the last part so a gap between the first 69 years and the 70th is not a new concept.


Isaiah 61:2. To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, (((GAP IS HERE))) and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn

If a gap is found right there in the midst of a verse then can anyone say it is impossible for a gap of time to be here:


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

(((GAP OF UNKNOWN TIME LENGTH HERE)))

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/1143160133-2504.html


Also, the Hebrew word for "was" without form is hayah and the tense that the verb is Qal which means "to become". Therefore the verse actually says "And the earth BECAME without form, and void;" meaning that God originally created the earth complete and that at some point it BECAME void and without form. Some form of destruction took place which strengthens the "gap theory".


01961 hayah {haw-yaw}

a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v

AV - was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become,
pertained, better for thee; 75

1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
1a) (Qal)
1a1) -----
1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about,
come to pass

1a1b) to come about, come to pass
1a2) to come into being, become
1a2a) to arise, appear, come
1a2b) to become
1a2b1) to become
1a2b2) to become like
1a2b3) to be instituted, be established
1a3) to be
1a3a) to exist, be in existence
1a3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)
1a3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word
of locality)
1a3d) to accompany, be with
1b)
(Niphal)
1b1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about
1b2) to be done, be finished, be gone


In addition, the "mood" of the verb is "perfect" and it affects the meaning in this way: "The Perfect expresses a completed action." This means that the earth was not created void but indeed BECAME void in an action that is completed by the second verse of Genesis.


So, according to the rules of Hebrew verb tenses, it is not "was void" as if it was made that way but it "became void" as the voidness "came into being".


Genesis 1:2 And the earth [BECAME] without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Scripture has a second witness of this truth:



Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

God did not create the earth void and without form as Genesis is thought to state. God destroyed the world and then recreated everything within it and that's what we read and see in the Genesis account. This is also why scientific evidence that God left behind affirms that the earth is much older than 6000-7000 years.




Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Verse 9 shows the first arrival of the Messiah

Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

And verse 10 shows the second advent. As of this century there is a gap of time between those two events that is about 2000 plus years and growing daily until he does in fact return.


Verse 9 was fulfilled here:

Mat 21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
Mat 21:6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
Mat 21:7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.


Verse 10 won't be fulfilled until the second coming but the OT scriptures do not explain there is a gap of time.


Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Here again is a gap of time within verse 6. Jesus is born, and then there is an unknown period of time before "the government shall be upon his shoulder" and "the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever" which naturally is completed at the second coming or even the eternity after judgement day.





Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Mat 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

How much time passed between the angels ministering unto Christ and when he heard about John being imprisoned?

Mar_1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

According to Mark, John was in prison before Jesus returned to Galilee from being tempted in the wilderness so there is an unspoken gap of time between Matthew 4:11 and 4:12
You can’t compair prophetic language with historical language, that’s a stretch,

As for the word in Hebrew, that is where I founded my belief in GAP when I first read it in my scofield bible. But one of the definitions is to exist ie the earth existed or was without form which does not insist it became. So it can be used

There are many reasons I changed my view much more compelling than this.
 

JohnRH

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The gap theory is a valid argument. The text does not state whether there is or isn't a gap. We simply cannot assume that verse two took place immediately after verse one and that is the case for a great deal of scriptures throughout the bible.




The idea of a gap in scripture is proven in the example of the reading of scriptures by Christ concerning his first and second comings. A gap is found in the middle of a verse but is not apparent in the casual reading of that verse yet a gap is there.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.


He stopped reading the entire verse because there would be a gap between the first part and the last part so a gap between the first 69 years and the 70th is not a new concept.


Isaiah 61:2. To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, (((GAP IS HERE))) and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn

If a gap is found right there in the midst of a verse then can anyone say it is impossible for a gap of time to be here:


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

(((GAP OF UNKNOWN TIME LENGTH HERE)))

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/1143160133-2504.html


Also, the Hebrew word for "was" without form is hayah and the tense that the verb is Qal which means "to become". Therefore the verse actually says "And the earth BECAME without form, and void;" meaning that God originally created the earth complete and that at some point it BECAME void and without form. Some form of destruction took place which strengthens the "gap theory".


01961 hayah {haw-yaw}

a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v

AV - was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become,
pertained, better for thee; 75

1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
1a) (Qal)
1a1) -----
1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about,
come to pass

1a1b) to come about, come to pass
1a2) to come into being, become
1a2a) to arise, appear, come
1a2b) to become
1a2b1) to become
1a2b2) to become like
1a2b3) to be instituted, be established
1a3) to be
1a3a) to exist, be in existence
1a3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)
1a3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word
of locality)
1a3d) to accompany, be with
1b)
(Niphal)
1b1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about
1b2) to be done, be finished, be gone


In addition, the "mood" of the verb is "perfect" and it affects the meaning in this way: "The Perfect expresses a completed action." This means that the earth was not created void but indeed BECAME void in an action that is completed by the second verse of Genesis.


So, according to the rules of Hebrew verb tenses, it is not "was void" as if it was made that way but it "became void" as the voidness "came into being".


Genesis 1:2 And the earth [BECAME] without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Scripture has a second witness of this truth:



Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

God did not create the earth void and without form as Genesis is thought to state. God destroyed the world and then recreated everything within it and that's what we read and see in the Genesis account. This is also why scientific evidence that God left behind affirms that the earth is much older than 6000-7000 years.




Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Verse 9 shows the first arrival of the Messiah

Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

And verse 10 shows the second advent. As of this century there is a gap of time between those two events that is about 2000 plus years and growing daily until he does in fact return.


Verse 9 was fulfilled here:

Mat 21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
Mat 21:6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
Mat 21:7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.


Verse 10 won't be fulfilled until the second coming but the OT scriptures do not explain there is a gap of time.


Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Here again is a gap of time within verse 6. Jesus is born, and then there is an unknown period of time before "the government shall be upon his shoulder" and "the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever" which naturally is completed at the second coming or even the eternity after judgement day.





Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Mat 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

How much time passed between the angels ministering unto Christ and when he heard about John being imprisoned?

Mar_1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

According to Mark, John was in prison before Jesus returned to Galilee from being tempted in the wilderness so there is an unspoken gap of time between Matthew 4:11 and 4:12
Exodus 20:11 refutes your entire post.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ... Ex 20:11 (KJV)

And the earth was without form, and void ... Gen 1:2 (KJV) Was means was.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Exodus 20:11 refutes your entire post.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ... Ex 20:11 (KJV)

And the earth was without form, and void ... Gen 1:2 (KJV) Was means was.
Amen

it may mean became, it also may mean existed (in its present state) it existed, or it was without form, that is the origional state of creation

then Jesus spent 6 days making what existed in that formless void to come forth
 
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I never heard of gap theory.
From gotquestions.org

The gap theory is the view that God created a fully functional earth with all animals, including the dinosaurs and other creatures we know only from the fossil record. Then, the theory goes, something happened to destroy the earth completely—most likely the fall of Satan to earth—so that the planet became without form and void. At this point, God started all over again, recreating the earth in its paradise form as further described in Genesis. The gap theory, which is distinct from theistic evolution and the day-age theory, is also called old-earth creationism, gap creationism, and the ruin-reconstruction theory.
...
According to conservative proponents of the gap theory, Genesis 1:1 describes the original creation of God—perfect in every way. Then, between verses 1 and 2, Satan rebelled in heaven and was cast out. Satan’s sin “ruined” the original creation; that is, his rebellion brought about its destruction and eventual death, and the earth was reduced to its “formless and empty” state, ready for the “re-construction.” The length of time involved—the size of the “gap”—is not specified but could have lasted millions of years.



 

JohnRH

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Amen

it may mean became, it also may mean existed (in its present state) it existed, or it was without form, that is the origional state of creation

then Jesus spent 6 days making what existed in that formless void to come forth
Yes. It could be that God created the earth with form, but, in His perfect timing, hadn't added the "form maintainer stuff" just yet. So it became without form and void for 5 minutes. Kind of like creating Adam in a "not good to be alone" state at first.
 
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Yes. It could be that God created the earth with form, but, in His perfect timing, hadn't added the "form maintainer stuff" just yet. So it became without form and void for 5 minutes. Kind of like creating Adam in a "not good to be alone" state at first.
I look at it this way, take a ball of clay. Roll it into a ball, it is without form, it must be molded to what the potter wants it to be

in the same way, the heavens and earth were first made into a ball, then God molded that into the form he designed.

if we look at it

we have God created the heaven and the earth

then Gid goes into more detail of what he did, first taking the formless earth and making it so it can be inhabited, and created the starts to shine their lights on the earth and all they were designed for (it did not take billions of years to appear on earth, they appears the day God created them and placed them in their spot, so they could be usefull that day, it’s called a miracle god works outside of science, to try to limit God to science is foolish) he then created the plants and animals, and finally mankind

the third review of creation is review of mankind, and his creation up to the fall
 

ewq1938

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Exodus 20:11 refutes your entire post.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ... Ex 20:11 (KJV)

The 6 days of creation happened after verse 2 so a gap between 1 and 2 is not forbidden. The Earth was created a long time before verse 2, it became void at some point and then God took 6 days to create it anew. This will happen again in the future but will be destroyed and made new in a shorter amount of time.
 

Nehemiah6

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The 6 days of creation happened after verse 2...
How could that be possible since verse 1 is a part of day 1? And there is no Gap according to the Ten Commandments?
 

ewq1938

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How could that be possible since verse 1 is a part of day 1?
Verse 1 is not part of the 6 days of creation.

And there is no Gap according to the Ten Commandments?
There is no gap between the 6 days of creation so citing the ten commandments is moot.
 

ewq1938

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Nope. God left clues for us to know the Earth is Billions of years old. So, long ago he made the Earth and the Universe, and some 14k years ago the Earth was basically destroyed and then God took 6 days to create everything again but this time no massive dinosaurs because humans would have a hard time dominating the planet with those around.


Did you read the Ten Commandments?
Yes, did you?
 
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Genesis 1:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


In Gen 1:2, the word "moved" is translated from the Hebrew word rāḥap̄ which (according to Brown-Driver-Briggs) means to hover, brood.

The word rāḥap̄ also used in Deuteronomy 32:11

As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth (Heb rāḥap̄ ) over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings

To me, Gen 1:2 reveals the loving care of God in creating the heavens and the earth and all that is therein ... all for the purpose of sustaining life.


Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.


 

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The theory that there was a space of time between Gen. 1 vs 1 and 2. I find that it would explain some things but im not sure. Anyone care to comment?
I'm convinced that gap theory, aka pre-Adamic creation, is correct. It accounts for many of the objections raised by those who doubt the truth of God's word. I believe that Noah's flood was the second time the earth had been flooded in judgement. I also believe that "Lucifer" was Satan before he fell (Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28) and that's why the Sun and moon had to be created.

Watchman Nee and others have written most helpful books on this subject. However, believing gap theory won't save you and neither will young earth creation theory. I find it helpful when discussing the earth's geology and fossil record with evolutionists. I don't know that anyone has been saved as a result, but it may just open a tiny crack in the wall of doubt and unbelief.
 

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Genesis 1:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


In Gen 1:2, the word "moved" is translated from the Hebrew word rāḥap̄ which (according to Brown-Driver-Briggs) means to hover, brood.

The word rāḥap̄ also used in Deuteronomy 32:11

As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth (Heb rāḥap̄ ) over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings

To me, Gen 1:2 reveals the loving care of God in creating the heavens and the earth and all that is therein ... all for the purpose of sustaining life.


Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
Verse 2, the word traditionally translated "was", can just readily be translated "became". It's the same word used when Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt. She certainly "was" not a pillar of salt to begin with.
 

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Yes but how does the flood explain the age of fossils?
I believe in the gap theory, but I also am sceptical of dating methods employed by evolutionists. This site, the result of decades of work by David R Pogge, is a goldmine of good information: http://scienceagainstevolution.info/index.shtml

David R Pogge is a leading ADA programmer and worked to rid the AIM-9 missile of bugs that limited its effectiveness. He sees the flaws in evolutionists arguments. He throws a bit of sarcasm into the mix as well.