Genesis 1:1 What is your interpretation?

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Karlon

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Aside from your rambling all over the place, your premise about birth gender is wrong. And it's totally off-topic.
Think of this: There's no way God would have it that His people would be without His expressed true written word for all of humanity. There is 1 truth & it belongs to God & He certainly made a way for us to know & learn it. And remember everyone, all of us born again Christians have the Holy Spirit to aid us.
 

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Just wondering about some input to stimulate this group. Does it support science?
I read it as the manifest wisdom of God and how he speaks only the truth. The bible makes it known that God had a plan before the very foundation of the world. His words prove it. As I read a little further on you had mentioned how present in that moment God had created time and space and I so agree.

He created space/time which one is incomplete without the other. For example if I was to say meet me at 1800, you would ask where. If I was to say meet me on Chat, you would ask when. So we as creation are subject to both, we occupy both time and space in our very existence and nature.

God is everywhere and he has no beginning. So he trumps this natural law showing he created the law and is not subject to his creation but it to him.

He also created salvation at that very moment. We know that when something is created in eternity, God's realm that it is subject to that very nature of God he is eternal so therefore it is eternal and no change is allowed. Since God describes himself and his nature as unchanging. I believe that scripture would bear this out. We know we must become saved here on earth as if we enter eternity in a state of unsaved that is our nature for eternity.

As the eternal realm that God is, is subject to who he is. Satan fell in eternity and therefore there is no salvation afforded. After we fell God drove us from the Garden because if we ate of the tree of life our fate was sealed. As God is eternal and the nature of eternal is it is unchanging.

So God created change as that is the very nature and law of time it is changing and under that natural law, change is permitted. It is the very fabric of time the changing from day to eve or rather vice versa. Change is allowed in the creation of time and the subjection to it. So God when he created time, In the beginning.......he also set forth the laws of time, it changes. He created the opportunity for us to change or repent.

Science at the end of the day it's goal is to seek out the facts, the truth, the constant. God down to the very smallest detail or jot and title, remains constant always, proving always that he is the constant, he is the fact and he is the truth, thereby he is the only way and he alone is life. He is the answer for what is sought and his wisdom is evident in how he has planned it all out to the very detail and purpose of his will. To accomplish his will that precisely. He remains which is what science seeks to find, what is that which remains.
 

Karlon

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Think of this: There's no way God would have it that His people would be without His expressed true written word for all of humanity. There is 1 truth & it belongs to God & He certainly made a way for us to know & learn it. And remember everyone, all of us born again Christians have the Holy Spirit to aid us.
i may have made mistake with category. very new at this.
 

Karlon

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Aside from your rambling all over the place, your premise about birth gender is wrong. And it's totally off-topic.
do you think people are born homosexuals & lesbians?
 
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do you think people are born homosexuals & lesbians?
All descendants of Adam are born in the image and likeness of their parents ... beginning with Adam's kids:

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth

As far as whether people are born homosexuals & lesbians ... all descendants of Adam are born in bondage to sin and there is only one Way to be freed from sin ... that is through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Also ... God created mankind male and female

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
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Agreed!

But it is interesting that the main go to excuse for same sex genetics is that Science claims it is natural.

But in the first Law of Evolution is Natural Selection and by rule of the function of Natural Selection same sex genetics would be destroyed and murdered.
What does this have to do with Genesis 1:1?
 
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All descendants of Adam are born in the image and likeness of their parents ... beginning with Adam's kids:

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth

As far as whether people are born homosexuals & lesbians ... all descendants of Adam are born in bondage to sin and there is only one Way to be freed from sin ... that is through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Also ... God created mankind male and female

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
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What does this have to do with Genesis 1:1?
 

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According to a past study from Yale, I believe, homosexuality is a choice. There are a plethora of factors involved. The bottom line is that homosexuality is a choice and no one is born with it.
True. But according to Romans chapter 1, there is a progressive degeneration which ultimately results in homosexuality and lesbianism. That is exactly what has happened in the Western world. They rest of the world sees homosexuality as perversion.

THE ETERNAL POWER OF GOD CAN BE SEEN IN CREATION BY ALL MEN
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

BUT THE WICKED REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND GLORIFY GOD
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

THEREFORE GOD HARDENS THEIR HEARTS SO THAT THEY GO INTO IDOLATRY
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

IDOLATRY AND SEXUAL SINS ARE CONNECTED
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS ROOTED IN IDOLATRY
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

GOD GIVES THESE PEOPLE OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

There are many idols and false gods in the Western world today. And when people turn away from the true God and Christ, they are given a reprobate mind to continue in their perversions.
 

oyster67

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Just wondering about some input to stimulate this group. Does it support science?
It supports good science. It should be used as the foundation for good science.

Perhaps one might ask; "Does it support bad science?"
That would be an easy answer.

The Bible says that Creation was accomplished in one week 6000 years ago. That is bedrock fact that all science should be built upon.
 
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It supports good science. It should be used as the foundation for good science.

Perhaps one might ask; "Does it support bad science?"
That would be an easy answer.

The Bible says that Creation was accomplished in one week 6000 years ago. That is bedrock fact that all science should be built upon.
Clearly you have no understanding of science or Genesis.
 
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No one is born a homosexual or lesbian. it is true we all are born sinners. if someone doesn't believe that just watch a couple of babies play together. soon enough they are going to be hitting each other & stealing each others toys. No one taught them how to do that. someone BECOMES a lesbian or homosexual thru the devil's influence. the devil knows all of our weaknesses, generational sins & disobediences even who we baking in the womb.
This is such a fallacious argument!

You wrote " if someone doesn't believe that [born homosexual or lesbian] just watch a couple of babies play together. soon enough they are going to be hitting each other & stealing each others toys. No one taught them how to do that." So what? a) That means nothing and b) it has nothing to do with the OP -- Genesis 1:1 and b) linking that behavior to sexual preference is beyond nonsensical.

And what does "even who we baking in the womb" mean?
 
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Think of this: There's no way God would have it that His people would be without His expressed true written word for all of humanity. There is 1 truth & it belongs to God & He certainly made a way for us to know & learn it. And remember everyone, all of us born again Christians have the Holy Spirit to aid us.
Okay, fine. I agree with that. but again: aside from your rambling all over the place, your premise about birth gender is wrong. And it's totally off-topic. As is this post.

The OP is about the interpretation of Genesis 1:1. If you want to discuss unrelated topics, why not start another thread?
 
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According to a past study from Yale, I believe, homosexuality is a choice. There are a plethora of factors involved. The bottom line is that homosexuality is a choice and no one is born with it.
Again, your premise about birth gender is wrong. And it's totally off-topic. .
 
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Actually, he's exactly right. If you take the time to research it carefully and remove bias, this is exactly what you will find.
Read my post immediately above. Are you and he so obsessed with someone's sexuality that you can't discuss the OP subject: Genesis 1:1 and its interpretation?
 
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do you think people are born homosexuals & lesbians?
What is it about off-topic that you don't understand? You are obsessed with people's sexuality, but the subject is interpretation of Genesis 1:1.
 

Sipsey

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So you were looking for a mathematical formula using the specific factors in the Verse you quote?

I am one that believes mathematics and science are separate entities.

Mathematics on its own will always survive.

Science without Mathematics is Opinion and becomes Void and Useless.

Ok, so write up the formula so I can see what you are thinking..
For a mathematical attempt at explaining God, may I direct your attention to John Lennox of Oxford University? He wrote a wonderful book by the title of, “Seven Days that Divide the World.”

He studied at the Royal School Armagh, Northern Ireland and was Exhibitioner and Senior Scholar at Emmanuel College, Cambridge University from which he took his MA, MMath and PhD. He worked for many years in the Mathematics Institute at the University of Wales in Cardiff which awarded him a DSc for his research. He also holds an MA and DPhil from Oxford University (by incorporation) and an MA in Bioethics from the University of Surrey. He was a Senior Alexander Von Humboldt Fellow at the Universities of Würzburg and Freiburg in Germany.