Genesis and Modern Science

[AnandaHya]

I thought about it. the only dissonance we really have between the Bible and Science is when and how the animals, plants, earth, etc were created. Both say they existed before Adam and Eve.

therefore the timeline from Adam to Jesus is still applicable. The only thing really to debate is if you believe God meant 6 literal days for creation or if the earth and its foundation was laid before the Genesis account occurred and days mean "period or time" or "epochs"? if one "day" of creation equaled one eon or a billion years, it would line up with what science is discovering.

4.570 billion years old is what people say now but they have been pushing it back, who knows maybe they will get to 6 billion ?

In the end the most important thing to remember is that God created the world and so loved us that He gave His only begotten sin to die for our sins and if we believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior we can go back home

well science also say the appearance of humans date to 50,000 years, hmmmm

so how do Christains recoil the geological age and Bible issues?

 

[AnandaHya]

Once again, it appears as though some of us are trying to put restraints on God. Based on what "science" is telling us, we feel compelled to reconcile that with our perception of God's power. I personally believe that God can do anything He wants to do, including putting together a universe in a few days. If He chose to make it look to us like millions of years, that is His prerogative. However, that does not change the fact that He can, and did, speak the universe into existence by His Word.

yes but He did tell us to read and Learn His word and what it means. and He created the world and they should not contradict each other, therefore it makes me think our understand of one or the other or both is lacking.

If He did not want us to learn why did He give us minds that can question?

 

[WeStand]

yes but He did tell us to read and Learn His word and what it means. and He created the world and they should not contradict each other, therefore it makes me think our understand of one or the other or both is lacking.

If He did not want us to learn why did He give us minds that can question?

Seems to me the moment you hear that His Name is I AM that I AM that the very basic questions of commen-sense should virtually rush into ones mind; I AM that I AM, Who, What, Where, When, Why and How???

I don't think thats too much to ask of The Spirit of Love, Who is also The Fair One.

Forever in Christ

 

[ItinerantLurker]

for example why don't planets collide with each other as they orbit the sun?

Wait. . .what? Maybe because they're not. . .close. . .to each. . .other? Or are you wondering why planets have stable orbits?




Lurker

 

[AnandaHya]

hi Ananda:
i'm glad you're looking into the geneologies: God likes that (though we might them hard to get through).
the Bible frequently uses polysyndetons - a device (meaning more is implied than what is actually said...above example AND...it means though we are not told, more happened (is implied) between the two lines...it does not mean that event was the next in a rapid succession of events: it means that's how and what God has chosen to reveal us, and that is what we are to have faith in.)

example: (paul used them alot):

Christ the Hope of Jews and Gentiles
8 For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised to show God’s truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs, 9 and in order that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written,

“Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles,
and sing to your name.”
10 And again it is said,
“Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people.”
11 And again,
“Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles,
and let all the peoples extol him.”
12 And again Isaiah says,
“The root of Jesse will come,
even he who arises to rule the Gentiles;
in him will the Gentiles hope.”

Romans 15:10
And again it is said, “Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people.”

~

without form

8414. tohu
formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness​

Tidal
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. Desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain -- confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

void

922. bohu​

emptiness, void
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin -- emptiness, void.​

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.​

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.​

~​

God can either be trusted to tell the truth about His creation, or He can not:​

In Exodus 20:11 we read of a literal six day creation. No gaps, not even for one minute, otherwise these would not be six normal days. Also, in Romans 5:12 we read that death is the result of Adam's sin. Because the rock layers display death on a grand scale, they could not have existed before the fall of Adam. There is no direct evidence that the earth is much older than six thousand years. However, we have the direct eyewitness report of God himself that he made everything in six days. Tracing back through the biblical genealogies we can determine the age of the universe to be about six thousand years with an error of not more than two per cent.

as you know: all else is man's THEORY.​

I thought death due to Adam's sin was for mankind not all of creation?

Lucifer sinned and the fruit of sin is death and being casted out of Heaven.

what about symbolism? we don't take the blood and body of Christ during communion as literal, could the 7 days be symbolic of the 7 epochs of God's creation? for it says in the Bible 1 day is like a 1000 in the Bible?

The Old Testament is veiled and full of symbols: example the passover lamb and Jesus being the ultimate sacrifice?

I think what is important is how Wonderful God is.

Did you know that inside of a star two hydrogen atoms fuse together to form Helium?

God joins and creates all things and He creates the scientifically unexplained forces that join molecules, cells, organs, organisms and society into a functioning system that works and Glorifies Him.

Our bodies are made of over 100,000,000 cells which contain DNA and can live independently in a petri dish for a small period of time. According to science a single cell organism is alive and each of our cells has the DNA template to recreate the entire human body but our cells work together to function as a single being without our concious control.

The more I learn the more I find out I don't know about the universe. a cell human cell is more complex then most people care to learn about, but God, He knows and loves all of us. thinking about that is really humbling.

 

[AnandaHya]

Wait. . .what? Maybe because they're not. . .close. . .to each. . .other? Or are you wondering why planets have stable orbits?

Lurker

sure tell us why planets have stable orbits if you can also provide some Bible verses in your response

the question was more of a why and Who created the laws of nature that control the world and universe, trying to point people to the Creator but go ahead.

 

[zone]

I thought death due to Adam's sin was for mankind not all of creation?

Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

Genesis 3:18
thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field.

Genesis 3:19
By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”

Genesis 5:9
He named him Noah and said, "He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed."

Romans 8
Future Glory
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

~ does this help the scientist's issue with "decay"?

 

[AnandaHya]

I think I'm just going to just abide in faith. LOL I talked to my husband and he said that no matter what you talked some people will believe and some will just argue and make excuses for why they don't believe in God. LOL I asked him about creation, evolution and the age of the earth and he told me "they might as well say they don't have peanut butter" Which of course made me ask him "what?" then he explained both excuses make as much sense for not trusting and believing in God. Anyway just thought I'd share and then go and play with the kids. Have a blessed day!

Romans 1:17-23 (New King James Version)

17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”[a]

God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness


18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

 

[carolineh]

here is a link to a brilliant speaker on the topic FreeHovind -