GIANTS

[JosephsDreams]

******************this video is super long but super good...

https://youtu.be/DxI6RWu0dcc

Saw it a few, or 3 years ago. Maybe I will watch it again,

 

[JosephsDreams]

Adam was called the son of God in the NT BECAUSE HE WAS CREATED not born of another man. The use of the words, sons of God ,in that context tells us plainly that they were a creation of God and did not come through man. I explained this before, only two men BY HEREDITY were called the son of God, Adam and Jesus. Now, about the giants, I do not believe that they came from angels because the bible does not really say that. So my question is, where did the giants come from? I have tried to trace their ancestors but never got very far. Apparently these men(their women are never spoke of) were around ten feet or more and of massive build. The last of them seems to have been destroyed around the time of David. Were they from the race of Adam or were they something else? Any thoughts?

They were the result of fallen angels fornicating in some way with earthly woman. No other thoughts on it for me. After tons of research on it, I am firmly convinced.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Ahwa, A little common sense please, so an angel taller then a football field impregnates a normal size woman and she gives birth to a 20 foot baby...ha,ha, heh, O this is rich. Not making fun of you brother but do you really believe that ?

Your limiting and under estimating the ingenuity and power of angels with your small focus.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Adstar...you should have wrote the entire verse for context, to mean what people have tried to make it mean it would have to be written, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men they bare children who became giants. The bible does not say that, it speaks of two distinct peoples, the giants and the offspring of angels. This is backed up by the fact that the giants came back after the flood and we are even given some ancestors of these giants and the ancestor was NOT AN ANGEL. We know that the giants after the flood came from other giants NOT FROM AN ANGEL. I think that is called checkmate.

The giants came back after the flood because one of the wives of Noah's sons had the gene. Simple. You have to look at variables. A scientist or detective in the making you are not.

 

[dcontroversal]

Your limiting and under estimating the ingenuity and power of angels by your small focus.

God said of Lucifer....He was the SUM of ALL Wisdom in the day he was created.....Other than God himself....Lucifer was the most intelligent being created.....and even though many reject Enoch (the book is quoted and directly referenced) under inspiration in Jude and a few other places in the bible....He speaks to knowledge being shared with humanity that humanity was not supposed to have access too......MANY reject this and or dismiss this without even giving it one thought....

How can Jude directly quote a book under inspiration of God's Spirit if it is the mere works of men?

 

[popeye]

****this may challenge your faith but take a look---sorry it is lengthy...
https://youtu.be/0d3l2FEVmsk

Missler. I love the guy.

No doubt you just went over the heads of 99% of this forum LOL

 

[sevenseas]

They were the result of fallen angels fornicating in some way with earthly woman. No other thoughts on it for me. After tons of research on it, I am firmly convinced.

I tend to think the chaos resulting from the sin of Adam is only hinted at. However much a person may speculate on what may have happened afterwards though, it is still speculation. How can we possibly imagine the impact of sin on a sinless creation?

I have a problem when people try to make all their personal ducks line up with scriptures that are taken out of context.

I find this to be people trying to make sense out of what does not make the kind of sense we would like it to make.

The garden was a point in history but not the beginning of it.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Genesis 6:2 says that the “sons of God” took wives. Since they married women,
they could not be angels. Notice verse three: “The Lord said, My spirit shall not
always strive with man.” Here, again, the sons of God are called man.

Because these sons of God sinned, God continues in verse 7, “I will destroy man
whom I have created from the face of the earth .…”

So far, not one word about angels! angels are spirits and could not be destroyed by water.

With the flood, “all flesh died … and every man. … Noah only remained alive, and they
that were with him in the ark” (Genesis 7:21-23).

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God also had set the boundary lines for the nations and the races at the very beginning
(Deuteronomy 32:8-9; Acts 17:26).

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth,
and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

8When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons
of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel



But men had refused to remain in the lands to which God had assigned them.




And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

And why pray tell can not angels marry woman? We have men marrying men, woman marrying woman, some sick degenerates even marrying animals. And you think the former is unthinkable or un-doable?

 

[sevenseas]

God said of Lucifer....He was the SUM of ALL Wisdom in the day he was created.....Other than God himself....Lucifer was the most intelligent being created.....and even though many reject Enoch (the book is quoted and directly referenced) under inspiration in Jude and a few other places in the bible....He speaks to knowledge being shared with humanity that humanity was not supposed to have access too......MANY reject this and or dismiss this without even giving it one thought....

How can Jude directly quote a book under inspiration of God's Spirit if it is the mere works of men?

ouch!

That is above the pay grade of those who believe faith means you turn off your brain.

Sorry. Don't mean to sound sarcastic, but it is not a sin to engage in or defend thinking.

 

[popeye]

Your limiting and under estimating the ingenuity and power of angels with your small focus.

Either some angels are very human,or they can take human form.

Fact is ,they were mistaken for men more than once.

No doubt they were able to copulate with humans. And no doubt they infiltrated back in after the flood.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Also, the reason for the flood was not about protecting the bloodline so that Christ could come as some would say. It was because of men's every thought was wicked is why God flooded the earth. He said it before the flood & afterwards.

Genesis 6:[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 8:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.[SUP]22 [/SUP]While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So the earth was flooded to destroy man; not hybrids; not X-Mens, not Supermens, but men of renown; mighty men, but still just men.



I am not sure how you were applying that above, but that did not come in effect until after the flood, but I point out the bold in your quotes that you refer to races as being at the very beginning, but Acts 17:26 testifies that we are all of one race, the human race; we are all related to one another; and with Noah and 7 others as the only survivors of the Flood, then we are all essentially related to one another on this earth and still being of one blood as it was in the beginning.

Genesis 3:20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

And why do you think that mans every thought was wicked?
I can tell you why. Because the fallen angels had throughly infested man kind.

This is why God was so adamant about Israel utterly destroying everything from certain groups of people in Canaan.

 

[popeye]

The giants came back after the flood because one of the wives of Noah's sons had the gene. Simple. You have to look at variables. A scientist or detective in the making you are not.

Another theory would be they muddied up the gene pool a second time,exactly the way they did it the first time.

 

[dcontroversal]

ouch!

That is above the pay grade of those who believe faith means you turn off your brain.

Sorry. Don't mean to sound sarcastic, but it is not a sin to engage in or defend thinking.

Not for sure of you point....just making a point that many outright dismiss Enoch and what can be gleaned from the book. I have read it, have not found anything that contradicts the bible and numerous truths that could not have been known without divine influence......

 

[dcontroversal]

Either some angels are very human,or they can take human form.

Fact is ,they were mistaken for men more than once.

No doubt they were able to copulate with humans. And no doubt they infiltrated back in after the flood.

Imagine that.....we found mutual ground.......

 

[dcontroversal]

Either some angels are very human,or they can take human form.

Fact is ,they were mistaken for men more than once.

No doubt they were able to copulate with humans. And no doubt they infiltrated back in after the flood.

Amen.....many fail to recognize there is a heavenly form and a earthy form.......

 

[JosephsDreams]

One would have to consider why would angels be fitted with begatting equipment?

They were not equipped, but they somehow devised a way. That is far from unbelievable considering the power and knowledge they wielded.

 

[sevenseas]

Not for sure of you point....just making a point that many outright dismiss Enoch and what can be gleaned from the book. I have read it, have not found anything that contradicts the bible and numerous truths that could not have been known without divine influence......

Oh sorry. Sometimes I try to condense what I am thinking and end up not being clear as in this case.

I am agreeing with you.

Regarding the comment on faith; I meant we are never told to just accept things blindly but yet quite a few people believe that to be faith.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Giants were simply very large men. So Goliath was 'six cubits and a span', about 7'6" in height. But they were not invincible. Indeed their overlarge size resulted in weakened muscles.

And how did you come to the conclusion that "their overlarge size resulted in weakened muscles"?
I would love to hear this one.
Especially when all the evidence points to the opposite.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I tend to think the chaos resulting from the sin of Adam is only hinted at. However much a person may speculate on what may have happened afterwards though, it is still speculation. How can we possibly imagine the impact of sin on a sinless creation?

I have a problem when people try to make all their personal ducks line up with scriptures that are taken out of context.

I find this to be people trying to make sense out of what does not make the kind of sense we would like it to make.

The garden was a point in history but not the beginning of it.

It is not speculation because their is physical proof and to many collaborating writings.

 

[Enow]

“sons of God” The phrase can be used three different ways in the Bible:

1) Men (Genesis 6:1-4; Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:10).
Genesis 6 is referring to men, not angels.

Correct.

2) Angels (Job 38:5-7; Hebrews 1:5).

Half correct. Job 38:5-7 cites the phrase "sons of God" thus the lineage of Seth as cited earlier in the book of Job when the sons of God had presented themselves twice to the Lord where Job was pointed out from among them twice yet again. The convoluted passage cannot be taken any other way when earlier verses sets the precedent for what sons of God means.

Therefore the sons of God were not there when the foundations was laid either, but they sang about His works in creation still as Job was among them.

Hebrews 1:5 cites the term angels, and so it is not the same as the sons of God. The Hebrew word for son is "ben" which is a builder of the family name; hence Israelites blood line as to why by bloodline they are chosen as God's people.

3) Spirit-begotten humans (Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1; 2 Peter 1:4).

John 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Do note that John did not refer to any angel or celestiel being as relating to being called a son of God. That is because angels are not the sons of God when we are going to be made higher than the angels to judge them when we are in Heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]2[/SUP]Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Something to discern about with Him in understanding His words that sons of God can only mean of the godly lineage of Seth whereas now sons of God can only be applied since His ascension, for the reality we now live in as those that believe even in His name as they are the sons of God.