Gift of Healing
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Isaiah says "Surely ...."
"Surely He hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows" Matthew correctly translates griefs and sorrows to mean sickness and diseases.
Nobody ever doubts that He has borne our sins [though many grumble about the full meaning of this with regards to eternal life] so why should there be any doubt concerning sickness?
God guarantees faith, that's what He guarantees. Until people are as certain of the fact that He did actually bear their sicknesses as they are that He bore their sins healing will continue to be hit and miss.
Which side are YOU on? sowing faith or sowing doubt?
Faith is incredibly important. For if God healed without faith being in operation we might begin to worry if our healing truly came from God.
Christ's faith is superior to ours, He can override.
"Surely He hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows" Matthew correctly translates griefs and sorrows to mean sickness and diseases.
Nobody ever doubts that He has borne our sins [though many grumble about the full meaning of this with regards to eternal life] so why should there be any doubt concerning sickness?
God guarantees faith, that's what He guarantees. Until people are as certain of the fact that He did actually bear their sicknesses as they are that He bore their sins healing will continue to be hit and miss.
Which side are YOU on? sowing faith or sowing doubt?
Faith is incredibly important. For if God healed without faith being in operation we might begin to worry if our healing truly came from God.
Christ's faith is superior to ours, He can override.
True, but Matthew says the fulfillment was in the miracles Jesus was doing while He was on earth. It doesn't say anything that can justify a doctrine of guaranteed healing for all, and for all time—even with faith. One has to want to see it; it's not in the text.
I'm on the side of truth. What side are you on?
I'm on the side of truth. What side are you on?
The price for healing it was paid
as those cruel stripes were laid
within Pilate's judgement hall
But His suffering it affords
perfect healing for all
oh this Healer of men today
But He was wounded for our transgressions
He was bruised for our iniquities
surely He bore our all sorrows
and by His stripes we are healed
as those cruel stripes were laid
within Pilate's judgement hall
But His suffering it affords
perfect healing for all
oh this Healer of men today
But He was wounded for our transgressions
He was bruised for our iniquities
surely He bore our all sorrows
and by His stripes we are healed
James 5:14–15 (LEB): 14 Is anyone among you sick? He should summon the elders of the church and they should pray over him, anointing him with olive oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins ⌊he will be forgiven.
This is what I think about it. The thing written in James. These are the instructions given to the Pastor James, for the church. Why would we do anything different?
This is what I think about it. The thing written in James. These are the instructions given to the Pastor James, for the church. Why would we do anything different?
Yes but save, raise, and forgiven sounds like bringing to salvation not necessarily to heal physically.
I can't help but hold a bias because I have never seen healing in this way nor my chronic pain healed from prayer or works of others.
I do hold to the side of caution and believe in faith that if God wishes to work this way, He absolutely could even though I have not seen it.
I can't help but hold a bias because I have never seen healing in this way nor my chronic pain healed from prayer or works of others.
I do hold to the side of caution and believe in faith that if God wishes to work this way, He absolutely could even though I have not seen it.
I'm all for praying for the sick. But I think where we run into trouble is when someone says it's always the Lord's will to heal and if we don't get healed we just don't have enough faith or we haven't sown enough "seeds" into that person's ministry. This is a gimmick used by charlatans. I'm not gloating, but Bill Johnson's wife died of cancer. I have compassion for Johnson and sincerely wish him the best. Johnson is one of the biggest preachers around today of the "it's always God's will to heal everyone"; and "everything Jesus did we can do and should do."
I know a lot of people who have faith coming out of their ears but haven't been healed. And I know people who have been healed.
The apostle Paul asked the Lord three times to remove the thorn in his flesh but he wasn't healed. Timothy had a stomach ailment that apparently went unhealed. Paul left Trophimus sick at Miletus. Did all these not have enough faith?
By all means pray, but if we don't get healed it doesn't mean it's our fault.
I know a lot of people who have faith coming out of their ears but haven't been healed. And I know people who have been healed.
The apostle Paul asked the Lord three times to remove the thorn in his flesh but he wasn't healed. Timothy had a stomach ailment that apparently went unhealed. Paul left Trophimus sick at Miletus. Did all these not have enough faith?
By all means pray, but if we don't get healed it doesn't mean it's our fault.
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This letter is written to a pastor of a church about the operations of the church. I would think that those among them were the church and so saved already. Jesus himself said something along lines of, is it easier to say you are healed or your sins are forgiven, equating the two. The saved also need sins forgiven often.
I dont know precisely what your experience is, but its mine that what is described here isnt done very often. I have witnessed healing in this way.
Then you have what God said to Paul about his thorn in the flesh.
I dont know precisely what your experience is, but its mine that what is described here isnt done very often. I have witnessed healing in this way.
Then you have what God said to Paul about his thorn in the flesh.
If it would be guaranteed, then our Christian churches must not greeve, because of church members which are suffering under all kind of sicknesses, which are dieing because of various forms of cancer and other deadly deseases.
But there is no guaratee for physical healing as an child of God in this world. And it never was, even not in the time of Jesus and the apostles.
The guarantee is: who beleves in Jesus Christ has eternal life and is not coming under the judge.
But there is no guaratee for physical healing as an child of God in this world. And it never was, even not in the time of Jesus and the apostles.
The guarantee is: who beleves in Jesus Christ has eternal life and is not coming under the judge.
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I was going to post this in the introduction, but saw this thread.
In 1970 My mum suffered from the onset of multiple sclerosis, gradually loosing the use of both legs, then both hands. There were times she wanted to die, she even asked us to help her die, this was something we were just not able to do.
!991, My mum went into a coma and was rushed to hospital, her breathing was a horrible gurgling sound, nicknamed the death rattle. The doctors said she had days to live and there was nothing they could do for her. We called a priest, although none of us had a faith at the time, we just thought it was what you should do as mum was bought up a Catholic.
The priest came and as he prayed; my mum’s breathing seemed to relax and the gurgling sound disappeared. about ten minutes after the priest walked out the door, mum came round and she started to speak, she had no recollection of being in hospital. The doctors were surprised at her recovery; and she was discharged the following day without treatment.
We thought it might have been a temporary reprieve, but she lived another eleven years. Having our mum back was a mixed blessing, because she spent about the last fifteen years of her life paralysed from the neck down. After surviving the coma my mum regarded her healing as a blessing, and she now said she wanted to live.
I really couldn’t understand how she seemed to just accept being paralysed from the neck down; she had a sound mind. I could not understand how she seemed to be at peace with her horrific existence. She rarely complained and often seemed more worried and concerned about our problems than her own. She had a faith in God and she sometimes used to say that she is ready to meet Jesus now. People might have said that it would have been kinder for her to have passed away in hospital.
I can only say that I will never meet a stronger and kinder person than my mum; I always remember her smile. Somehow through my mum’s faith in God, I learned to accept life’s problems and to search for my own peace.
In 1970 My mum suffered from the onset of multiple sclerosis, gradually loosing the use of both legs, then both hands. There were times she wanted to die, she even asked us to help her die, this was something we were just not able to do.
!991, My mum went into a coma and was rushed to hospital, her breathing was a horrible gurgling sound, nicknamed the death rattle. The doctors said she had days to live and there was nothing they could do for her. We called a priest, although none of us had a faith at the time, we just thought it was what you should do as mum was bought up a Catholic.
The priest came and as he prayed; my mum’s breathing seemed to relax and the gurgling sound disappeared. about ten minutes after the priest walked out the door, mum came round and she started to speak, she had no recollection of being in hospital. The doctors were surprised at her recovery; and she was discharged the following day without treatment.
We thought it might have been a temporary reprieve, but she lived another eleven years. Having our mum back was a mixed blessing, because she spent about the last fifteen years of her life paralysed from the neck down. After surviving the coma my mum regarded her healing as a blessing, and she now said she wanted to live.
I really couldn’t understand how she seemed to just accept being paralysed from the neck down; she had a sound mind. I could not understand how she seemed to be at peace with her horrific existence. She rarely complained and often seemed more worried and concerned about our problems than her own. She had a faith in God and she sometimes used to say that she is ready to meet Jesus now. People might have said that it would have been kinder for her to have passed away in hospital.
I can only say that I will never meet a stronger and kinder person than my mum; I always remember her smile. Somehow through my mum’s faith in God, I learned to accept life’s problems and to search for my own peace.
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I'm not sure I have a conclusion on this as I often wonder how people define a miracle. I define a miracle as rare and supernatural. It defies the laws of nature and anytime a miracle was done in the scriptures, it carried a message of some type. Either to confirm a message, confirm authority, to spread the message, or to confirm the power of God.
There were typically witnesses in the New Testament who could confirm such miracles.
If miracles happened everyday then they are not miracles. If someone was raised from death on a daily basis, it wouldn't even make the headlines.
So I often believe people are too emotional and ignorant of how the Spirit works. I also believe people are quick to say miracle when really it could have natural causes.
But who knows, I claim ignorance as well and hold to the fact that God can do anything within His will and His timing.
Sometimes and often healing is answered with a no. We are finite beings and only here for so long. Pain helps us to be ready to go and more easier to let go of the things in this world.
There were typically witnesses in the New Testament who could confirm such miracles.
If miracles happened everyday then they are not miracles. If someone was raised from death on a daily basis, it wouldn't even make the headlines.
So I often believe people are too emotional and ignorant of how the Spirit works. I also believe people are quick to say miracle when really it could have natural causes.
But who knows, I claim ignorance as well and hold to the fact that God can do anything within His will and His timing.
Sometimes and often healing is answered with a no. We are finite beings and only here for so long. Pain helps us to be ready to go and more easier to let go of the things in this world.
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Depends - IF the pastor was manifesting a "Word of Knowledge", then following his instructions could have resulted in Healing.
IF he was just being "religious", then not so much.
Peter at the temple gate encountered the Lame man, and told him "SUCH AS I HAVE, I'm gonna give you - i.e. Pete KNEW that God was going to heal the cripple. He didn't ask if the guy had "Faith", he just told him to get up and walk AND PICKED HIM UP!!!! You'd BETTER know what's gonna happen if you pick up a cripple!!!! Pete probably wasn't even SURPRISED when the Cripple was healed - God had already let him KNOW what was going to happen.
You apparently had no FAITH in what the pastor said, and sure enough, nothing happened. When anything happens (like a healing) in a Pentecostal church, everybody is pleasantly surprised, because they really don't EXPECT anything.
IF he was just being "religious", then not so much.
Peter at the temple gate encountered the Lame man, and told him "SUCH AS I HAVE, I'm gonna give you - i.e. Pete KNEW that God was going to heal the cripple. He didn't ask if the guy had "Faith", he just told him to get up and walk AND PICKED HIM UP!!!! You'd BETTER know what's gonna happen if you pick up a cripple!!!! Pete probably wasn't even SURPRISED when the Cripple was healed - God had already let him KNOW what was going to happen.
You apparently had no FAITH in what the pastor said, and sure enough, nothing happened. When anything happens (like a healing) in a Pentecostal church, everybody is pleasantly surprised, because they really don't EXPECT anything.
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