Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit ?
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I don't know what to say really.
People don't believe the word of God anymore.
But even more so, when the writer of Ecclesiastes is referred to as "one guy's opinion".
I didn't know the Bible was a Book of opinions.
I've seen for quite some time now that people believe whatever they want or don't want about Scripture.
But now it's come down to "one guy's opinion".
Lord Jesus come quickly!
People don't believe the word of God anymore.
But even more so, when the writer of Ecclesiastes is referred to as "one guy's opinion".
I didn't know the Bible was a Book of opinions.
I've seen for quite some time now that people believe whatever they want or don't want about Scripture.
But now it's come down to "one guy's opinion".
Lord Jesus come quickly!
no doubt - but this is not about the Son but about the widely claimed inspirations via the Holy Spirit and their fruits etc - wincam
My Comment #14: Do you have examples, for you are being kinda vague.
You must have missed my question, so I'll ask again. Answer forthcoming?
John 14: 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
How about 1 Corinthians 12:
24 but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Or Ephesians 3:
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
How about 1 Corinthians 12:
24 but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Or Ephesians 3:
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Dan - instead of Christ asking "who do men say I am" let us ask who do men say the Holy Spirit is and the response has to be as before "some say this and some say that" but we have been provided with the answer so that we may know beyond the shadow of a doubt that not all and sundry know- except in the last days[Acts.2:17] - wincam
You pointed to John 14:17.
John 14:17 speaks of the Comforter which is to abide with us forever.
In your OP, you claim "the reason or purpose for Pentecost has been misunderstood".
In 1 Cor 12:24-27, we see that it is God Who unites the body and there should be no schism; the members of the body of Christ should have the same care one for another.
In Ephesians 3:8-12, we see that the intent of God is that the body of Christ reveals the manifold wisdom of God to principalities and powers in heavenly places.
The examples in 1 Cor 12 and Eph 3 are due to the Comforter, the Spirit of truth, which dwells in the believer. Ephesians 3:11 goes so far as to claim this the eternal purpose of God.
The eternal purpose of God is to unite the believers, not bring about "division, divergence, dissent, differences, contradictions and rampant confusion all as gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit". As you state in your OP "this is blasphemy - all this because the reason or purpose for Pentecost has been misunderstood"
John 14:17 speaks of the Comforter which is to abide with us forever.
In your OP, you claim "the reason or purpose for Pentecost has been misunderstood".
In 1 Cor 12:24-27, we see that it is God Who unites the body and there should be no schism; the members of the body of Christ should have the same care one for another.
In Ephesians 3:8-12, we see that the intent of God is that the body of Christ reveals the manifold wisdom of God to principalities and powers in heavenly places.
The examples in 1 Cor 12 and Eph 3 are due to the Comforter, the Spirit of truth, which dwells in the believer. Ephesians 3:11 goes so far as to claim this the eternal purpose of God.
The eternal purpose of God is to unite the believers, not bring about "division, divergence, dissent, differences, contradictions and rampant confusion all as gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit". As you state in your OP "this is blasphemy - all this because the reason or purpose for Pentecost has been misunderstood"
Read John 14:16 and 17 together --- And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
You can't hold out John 14:17 as independent of vs 16 and come to proper understanding of what Jesus wanted His disciples to know.
Jesus further told them John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
You can't hold out John 14:17 as independent of vs 16 and come to proper understanding of what Jesus wanted His disciples to know.
Jesus further told them John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.