Gifts - Tongues and the Interpretation of Tongues

[know1]

Oh, what the heck notuptome. I will jump in for a bit and get beat up for a while!

biblical Tongues ceased in 70A.D. at the fall of Jerusalem. Tongues(foreign language) were a sign to the unbelieving Jews(this people), warning them of their impending 5th cycle of discipline.

The tongues we see today come from 2 areas.

Emotions

Demonic.

And my salvation is still intact for saying and believing this.

Please provide documented proof.
Better yet, stick to the scriptures. Only don't try to build a house with one board. In order for every word to be established, it must be by two or three witnesses. Do you have another witness in scripture?
That which is written, was written to the body of Christ.
The body of Christ is still here, and so is that which is written to us.
How do you know you are still saved when you don't even know how salvation is made?
The Pharisees thought the same thing, and look where they ended up.
Salvation is given to those who KEEP God's word or truth in their heart.
You just reject it for the sake of your denomination's doctrine.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Believe what is written, and you too will experience something that is above emotionalism and/or demonic.
For it is written,
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Even as God did not give you the devil and send you to hell when you asked Jesus to be lord of your life, neither would He give you something from or of the devil, when you ask for something that is from and of God.
If you ask for tongues, He will give you tongues.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

See I haven't accused you of such things but you appear quite boastful in this post.

Do not underestimate the ability of Lucifer to give those who seek great wonders some wonders to deceive them. Lucifer can appear as an angel of light.

I've seen some really hard men broken when the Holy Spirit convicted them of their sin, Gods righteousness and Gods judgment upon sin. The Holy Spirit puts them face down before the altar of God and deals with them in great mercy.

I fear many run around touting things they know little to nothing about.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Your greatest deception is assuming things about me you have no clue about roger. Guys like you love assuming things about guys like me. Been in church your whole life Rog?

 

[Ella85]

Cute. Silly, inaccurate, condescending, but cute.

I wasn't trying to be cute.
And nothing inaccurate about the fact that people that talk gibberish is doing nothing but looking like a fool.

 

[Gr8grace]

Please provide documented proof.
Better yet, stick to the scriptures. Only don't try to build a house with one board. In order for every word to be established, it must be by two or three witnesses. Do you have another witness in scripture?
That which is written, was written to the body of Christ.
The body of Christ is still here, and so is that which is written to us.
How do you know you are still saved when you don't even know how salvation is made?
The Pharisees thought the same thing, and look where they ended up.
Salvation is given to those who KEEP God's word or truth in their heart.
You just reject it for the sake of your denomination's doctrine.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Believe what is written, and you too will experience something that is above emotionalism and/or demonic.
For it is written,
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Even as God did not give you the devil and send you to hell when you asked Jesus to be lord of your life, neither would He give you something from or of the devil, when you ask for something that is from and of God.
If you ask for tongues, He will give you tongues.

Isaiah 28:11 (NASB95)
11 Indeed, He will speak to this people
Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,



1 Corinthians 14:21 (NASB95)
21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

"this people" is Israel.No one else. One little known "sign" that was also included with tongues was that the Jew accused the speakers of being drunk. That was also a sign to the Jew. The discipline that was about to come upon them was partly because the priest were drinking the temple wine and getting drunk.....they would slur and stammer through their sermons.


Isaiah 28:7–8 (NASB95)
7 And these also reel with wine and stagger from strong drink:
The priest and the prophet reel with strong drink,
They are confused by wine, they stagger from strong drink;
They reel while having visions,
They totter when rendering judgment.
8 For all the tables are full of filthy

 

[kennethcadwell]

I we are all born again Christians and are all like one another, then if God wanted us to speak in gibberish He would have made it a commandment for ALL His believers, not just some, to pray in tongues.

Unfortunately you are right and wrong...................

There are many that misuse this gift and just babble away thinking they are speaking in tongue's when they are not, and also the fact there is a clear command this is not to be done in front of others unless one who can interpret is present.

The part where you are wrong though is that the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 clearly shows that believers in Christ will not all be given the same gifts by the Holy Spirit.

So to say all believers would be able to do this is completely false, because we are each given different gifts by the Holy Spirit. For like Paul said he wishes we would all speak in tongues, but then goes on to show he looks at those who have the gift of prophecy as having a better gift from the Spirit.


Not all believers will be given all the gifts of the Holy Spirit.......................................

 

[kennethcadwell]

Isaiah 28:11 (NASB95)
11 Indeed, He will speak to this people
Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,



1 Corinthians 14:21 (NASB95)
21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

"this people" is Israel.No one else. One little known "sign" that was also included with tongues was that the Jew accused the speakers of being drunk. That was also a sign to the Jew. The discipline that was about to come upon them was partly because the priest were drinking the temple wine and getting drunk.....they would slur and stammer through their sermons.


Isaiah 28:7–8 (NASB95)
7 And these also reel with wine and stagger from strong drink:
The priest and the prophet reel with strong drink,
They are confused by wine, they stagger from strong drink;
They reel while having visions,
They totter when rendering judgment.
8 For all the tables are full of filthy

These scriptures have nothing to do with the gift of tongues given by the Holy Spirit......................

 

[BenFTW]

Because Paul said they will cease. So we have that. It is just "when"

When Paul wrote Cor. there was still about 15 years left until the destruction of Jerusalem.

In Isaiah, they Lord told "this people" that they will be witnessed to by men of stammering lips(tongues)

"this people" Is Israel,the Jews. It was to a specific group of people. The unbelieving Jew. Paul quotes this in Corinthians.

And in 70 A.D. Jerusalem fell, and Israel(this people) were dispersed as a nation.

And please, I don't get upset with this subject. Please read what I write. Because you already misread what I said in my first post.

BIBLICAL tongues have ceased~~They were not emotional or demonic.

The tongues we see today are either from emotions or they are demonic.

Tongues were for a very specific group of people.....the unbelieving Jew.

They (the tongues) did serve a purpose in ministering to the Jewish people, but who says that is their sole purpose? Let me elaborate. First let me show you a few verses to get an idea of what speaking in tongues actually is, in totality.

1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Acts 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Although the tongues at Pentecost served to minister unto the people present and they heard it in their own language, here we have an example of tongues that is not for the understanding of men. These tongues are meant for your heavenly Father.

Let me cut to the chase, there are three forms of tongues, so far as I know. One to pray to the Father (as shown above), one that ministers to others in their tongue, of which you have no knowledge of, or minimal (as shown above), and the third being one that is interpreted for the edification of other's and yourself. Are these three scriptural? Yes, you can find examples of each of these in scripture (all above). There is also singing in tongues, but that falls under speaking/praying to the Father except you're worshiping. You may be asking where singing in tongues is biblical, so heres the verse...

I Corinthians 14:14, 15

"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
​

So, to conclude my point. You say that tongues were a sign for the Jewish people and that was their purpose, however I have shown you that tongues serve multiple purposes, of which can be benefited from today. How is it that praying in tongues that allows you to speak mysteries in the spirit unto Father God, that cannot be interpreted by men be put into the purpose of ministering unto the Jewish people when it isn't for them but you yourself and for your personal edification?

So you see, if I have shown that tongues serve multiple purposes of which extend beyond the time of Pentecost and the Jewish people present, how then does your logic that it served its purpose and ceased stand? It indeed may have served that particular purpose, but the gift of tongues extends far past the time of Pentecost... to this day. The gift of tongues is still needed today and serves wonderful and graceful purposes, glory to God. It is a wonderful tool that the Holy Spirit has graced us with, and it is a tool that is used today for the edification of others and oneself.

PS: A saying I once heard, I believe by a known evangelist, "The gifts are not be worn as some badge of honor, but are tools for the job." That is a good perspective to have. The gifts allow service and in such service it does bring joy, to both parties. It is nice to be helpful, to be useful. To lift up and be used to strengthen others.

All glory goes to God, even so, Holy Spirit for these gifts and how wonderful that He gives them to us to be used in love?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I wasn't trying to be cute.
And nothing inaccurate about the fact that people that talk gibberish is doing nothing but looking like a fool.

I speak in tongues also.

Maybe the language sounds like gibberish because you do not understand the language being spoken. My son in law has Spanish speaking people who work for him - they said English sounds like gibberish to them - they do not understand the English language just as speaking Spanish to me would be gibberish.

And are you calling those that speak in tongues fools? or do you just consider it foolish?

 

[know1]

Isaiah 28:11 (NASB95)
11 Indeed, He will speak to this people
Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,



1 Corinthians 14:21 (NASB95)
21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

"this people" is Israel.No one else. One little known "sign" that was also included with tongues was that the Jew accused the speakers of being drunk. That was also a sign to the Jew. The discipline that was about to come upon them was partly because the priest were drinking the temple wine and getting drunk.....they would slur and stammer through their sermons.


Isaiah 28:7–8 (NASB95)
7 And these also reel with wine and stagger from strong drink:
The priest and the prophet reel with strong drink,
They are confused by wine, they stagger from strong drink;
They reel while having visions,
They totter when rendering judgment.
8 For all the tables are full of filthy

Sir, the question was for scriptural proof that tongues have ceased.
All you provided, at best, is that God would use tongues to speak to the Jews.
But looking at I Cor 12 concerning the gifts of the Spirit, Paul is talking to the non-Jewish "brethren", calling them "gentiles".
I see much about the tongues ceasing, but has the knowledge also "vanished away" with the tongues in 70 AD? It is written in the same verse.
You people should seek the whole truth, instead of trying to tear it apart because you haven't experienced it for yourselves.
For the same reason you reject healing, not knowing and ignoring the scriptures.
Again, there is more than one kind of tongues. You are addressing only one kind, for that is all you think there is, but scripture and experience says otherwise.

 

[notuptome]

Your greatest deception is assuming things about me you have no clue about roger. Guys like you love assuming things about guys like me. Been in church your whole life Rog?

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Seems like you are the one making assumptions not me.

You can be civil or you can go down this road of bitterness. Your choice.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[know1]

They (the tongues) did serve a purpose in ministering to the Jewish people, but who says that is their sole purpose? Let me elaborate. First let me show you a few verses to get an idea of what speaking in tongues actually is, in totality.

1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Acts 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Although the tongues at Pentecost served to minister unto the people present and they heard it in their own language, here we have an example of tongues that is not for the understanding of men. These tongues are meant for your heavenly Father.

Let me cut to the chase, there are three forms of tongues, so far as I know. One to pray to the Father (as shown above), one that ministers to others in their tongue, of which you have no knowledge of, or minimal (as shown above), and the third being one that is interpreted for the edification of other's and yourself. Are these three scriptural? Yes, you can find examples of each of these in scripture (all above). There is also singing in tongues, but that falls under speaking/praying to the Father except you're worshiping. You may be asking where singing in tongues is biblical, so heres the verse...

I Corinthians 14:14, 15

"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
​

So, to conclude my point. You say that tongues were a sign for the Jewish people and that was their purpose, however I have shown you that tongues serve multiple purposes, of which can be benefited from today. How is it that praying in tongues that allows you to speak mysteries in the spirit unto Father God, that cannot be interpreted by men be put into the purpose of ministering unto the Jewish people when it isn't for them but you yourself and for your personal edification?

So you see, if I have shown that tongues serve multiple purposes of which extend beyond the time of Pentecost and the Jewish people present, how then does your logic that it served its purpose and ceased stand? It indeed may have served that particular purpose, but the gift of tongues extends far past the time of Pentecost... to this day. The gift of tongues is still needed today and serves wonderful and graceful purposes, glory to God. It is a wonderful tool that the Holy Spirit has graced us with, and it is a tool that is used today for the edification of others and oneself.

PS: A saying I once heard, I believe by a known evangelist, "The gifts are not be worn as some badge of honor, but are tools for the job." That is a good perspective to have. The gifts allow service and in such service it does bring joy, to both parties. It is nice to be helpful, to be useful. To lift up and be used to strengthen others.

All glory goes to God, even so, Holy Spirit for these gifts and how wonderful that He gives them to us to be used in love?

Very good post sir, well said, and thank you for the correction. I said I only knew of two different kind of tongues, but you are correct, there are three that I see as well.

 

[notuptome]

They (the tongues) did serve a purpose in ministering to the Jewish people, but who says that is their sole purpose?

God.

Tongues are a sign of impending judgment upon Israel by God. They will return at the tribulation along with the signs in the heavens that God prophesied in Joel. Again God will be speaking to Israel not to the Gentiles. No amount of fanciful thinking is going to change that.

No one has claimed that healing ceased but God never used healers to accomplish healing. God heals with miracles and God heals through natural methods. God heals the good and God heals the evil. Sometimes God does not heal so that His child can know the goodness of God in great suffering.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Sylven]

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[Jimbone]

I speak in tongues also.

Maybe the language sounds like gibberish because you do not understand the language being spoken. My son in law has Spanish speaking people who work for him - they said English sounds like gibberish to them - they do not understand the English language just as speaking Spanish to me would be gibberish.

And are you calling those that speak in tongues fools? or do you just consider it foolish?

Come on now, can you tell me what other KNOWN language you are speaking in, or even what you are saying? I'm not saying you don't and if you read my earlier comments here I hope you can see I'm not trying to be judgmental or suggest you can't. Really though if no one understands what you're saying, and it's just a personal think between you and Him then honestly what purpose does it serve to glorify God around people if there's no interpreter? I think it should be done in privet, and honestly I am pretty sure that what they do in my own church is not the same thing described in Acts, and certainly is not an actual language. If it's good for you and brings you closer to God the great please have at it, but in front of others who don't understand it how does that edify God?

 

[Gr8grace]

They (the tongues) did serve a purpose in ministering to the Jewish people, but who says that is their sole purpose? Let me elaborate. First let me show you a few verses to get an idea of what speaking in tongues actually is, in totality.

1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Acts 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Although the tongues at Pentecost served to minister unto the people present and they heard it in their own language, here we have an example of tongues that is not for the understanding of men. These tongues are meant for your heavenly Father.

Let me cut to the chase, there are three forms of tongues, so far as I know. One to pray to the Father (as shown above), one that ministers to others in their tongue, of which you have no knowledge of, or minimal (as shown above), and the third being one that is interpreted for the edification of other's and yourself. Are these three scriptural? Yes, you can find examples of each of these in scripture (all above). There is also singing in tongues, but that falls under speaking/praying to the Father except you're worshiping. You may be asking where singing in tongues is biblical, so heres the verse...

I Corinthians 14:14, 15

"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
​

So, to conclude my point. You say that tongues were a sign for the Jewish people and that was their purpose, however I have shown you that tongues serve multiple purposes, of which can be benefited from today. How is it that praying in tongues that allows you to speak mysteries in the spirit unto Father God, that cannot be interpreted by men be put into the purpose of ministering unto the Jewish people when it isn't for them but you yourself and for your personal edification?

So you see, if I have shown that tongues serve multiple purposes of which extend beyond the time of Pentecost and the Jewish people present, how then does your logic that it served its purpose and ceased stand? It indeed may have served that particular purpose, but the gift of tongues extends far past the time of Pentecost... to this day. The gift of tongues is still needed today and serves wonderful and graceful purposes, glory to God. It is a wonderful tool that the Holy Spirit has graced us with, and it is a tool that is used today for the edification of others and oneself.

PS: A saying I once heard, I believe by a known evangelist, "The gifts are not be worn as some badge of honor, but are tools for the job." That is a good perspective to have. The gifts allow service and in such service it does bring joy, to both parties. It is nice to be helpful, to be useful. To lift up and be used to strengthen others.

All glory goes to God, even so, Holy Spirit for these gifts and how wonderful that He gives them to us to be used in love?

1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Why would God need to Give us a GIFT from Him, to speak to Him?

Paul is still teaching here. Tongues is a gift from God and had nothing to do with the person who had the gift. They were not speaking a message from some man, they are speaking FOR God.

The mystery? If they were prompted by the Holy Spirit to witness to an unbeliever in the church. The congregation would have no idea what was being said. Only the unbeliever who was there would understand and it would be a mystery revealed to that unbeliever.......the Gospel in their native tongue.
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I Corinthians 14:14, 15

"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."

This is a negative. Obviously some people who had the gifts of tongues were praying in tongues and it was useless and unfruitful............ We are to be filled and walking in the Spirit when we pray and worship(sing)​

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Come on now, can you tell me what other KNOWN language you are speaking in, or even what you are saying?

No, I do not KNOW what language I am speaking (doesn't mean it is not a known language somewhere). The apostles did not know the languages they were speaking although those present recognized their language being spoken.

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded because every man heard them speak in his own language . . . Behold are not all these which speak Galilaeans? and how hear we every man in our own tongue wherein we were born?

The people were confounded because they knew the apostles were Galilaeans and therefore did not KNOW the languages of those present. In 1 Cor. 14:2,3 . . . it says that when I speak in an tongue - I am speaking to God and will not understand - when I speak in tongues I am edifying myself - building myself up spiritually.

I'm not saying you don't and if you read my earlier comments here I hope you can see I'm not trying to be judgmental or suggest you can't. Really though if no one understands what you're saying, and it's just a personal think between you and Him then honestly what purpose does it serve to glorify God around people if there's no interpreter? I think it should be done in privet, and honestly I am pretty sure that what they do in my own church is not the same thing described in Acts, and certainly is not an actual language. If it's good for you and brings you closer to God the great please have at it, but in front of others who don't understand it how does that edify God?

Someone somewhere would understand the language I speak, just as there were those on Pentecost who heard their language. There is a right way and a wrong way to manifest tongues in a church service which is what 1 Cor. 14 is about. Paul, by revelation, is showing the Corinthian church their error and correcting that error. Tongues with interpretation should be used in the church . . . for edifying of the church. The one speaking in tongues should interpret and the interpretation is the sum and substance of what has been said in tongues - God gives both the tongue and the interpretation and it will never be anything that contradicts the word of God. 14:5b . .for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except HE interpret, that the church may receive edifying. . . . 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an tongue pray that HE may interpret.

 

[FancyNancy]

You argue out of ignorance of the what the original languages teach.

Filled is pletho in the Greek seen in Acts 2. Bapto and "baptizo" are Greek terms used for baptism one for water and the other for Holy Spirit.

A Strongs concordance can be obtained online and supply ready references for these terms.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You are using your intellect and false understanding to hinder your knowledge of God.

 

[FancyNancy]

Now you begin to shame yourself for want of knowledge.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You will experience shame when you stand before the Lord and are shown your brazen unbelief and false security in your own intellect.

 

[Mitspa]

I wasn't trying to be cute.
And nothing inaccurate about the fact that people that talk gibberish is doing nothing but looking like a fool.

1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;

 

[FancyNancy]

How would you know? It is very crass to insult one as having no Holy Spirit baptism when you can not possibly know with any certainty. You do not have the common sense to be embarrassed by your statements of utter fantasy on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If you have experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be arguing with me about it, or the gifts of the Holy Spirit.