Give us these kind of men

[AllenW]

It's sooo much easier now to go thru these posts since I put all those yapping, ankle-biting chihuahuas on ignore. They will absolutely wear you out with all the distractions. Now I can get thru 3 pages in a snap, & focus on what really matters.

One of those ignores may have been put there by God.
But you'll never know, will you?

 

[Grace777x70]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people who call themselves Christian only speak negatively and do nothing to build up the body of Christ.

Well.....if you don't agree with their view of some scriptures - you are a heretic and that means they can now publicly castigate you and insult you. Put up websites to "expose" you.

( Some have websites saying that "women teachers" are actually heretics because they should be under subjection and not teach a man. ) - I do not believe that but some would say that women teachers are not handling the word of truth and thus should be publicly exposed for the heretics they are.


Then they attract this to happen where people are biting and devouring each other.

All in the "name of handling the word of truth" cloak. The Westboro Baptist belief system believes in the same motto.

 

[AllenW]

God will sort that out. In the mean time I'll be exposing heresy and warning God's sheep. Certainly the goats won't like that and will chime in.

Can't speak for yourself but you can speak for someone else.
What does that tell us?

 

[AllenW]

Do you endorse her teaching as biblical?

And you sound like a politically correct leftist. John 3:7?

Hah! That's a weak rebuttal.

 

[AllenW]

What does the speaker sound like?

A woman.
Were you expecting something else?

 

[Ariel82]

Joel Osteen has had a lot of people get saved through his ministry.
And for that, God will keep blessing him, regardless of how much anyone doesn't like it.

You support Joel osteen, can you show where he actually preaches Jesus crucified as the only way to heaven?

Just because he has a mass following doesnt mean he is saving them.

Muslims get mass followings.

Do you believe they are being saved?

Do you believe in the prosperity gospel?

 

[AllenW]

Nope. He was exposing the false teachings of the Osteen's. Attacking the messages and not the messengers.

Well, that's how you see it.
And I assume he told you personally this is what he was doing before he wrote it.
I was simply expressing my opinion.
But what you are telling me is fact?

 

[Ariel82]

Its not a personal attack on Joel and Victoria Osteen's character. It is exposing the heresies they teach. We are attacking the message, not the messenger.

We, as believers, need to use discernment, when we hear someone's message. Victoria stated we don't go to church to worship God. Then why go? To play bingo? To give to their ministry? To give ourselves a pat on the back? No. We go to church to worship Him.

Then Joel melted like a snowball by not standing up for Jesus. These are huge Clifford the Big Red Flags.

Some folks are attacking the messenger more than the message. They are the same ones who don't feel it important to proclaim the gospel when asked specifically what THEY believe.

Yet they attack Joel Osteen for not proclaiming the gospel?

Why the double standard?

 

[AllenW]

Victoria Osteen - "when you come to church to worship him you're not doing it for God really, your doing it for yourself". I don't know how you Osteen supporters can defend statements like that

I look past the person and look at what the Spirit of God is doing in the service.

 

[AllenW]

You support Joel osteen, can you show where he actually preaches Jesus crucified as the only way to heaven?

Just because he has a mass following doesnt mean he is saving them.

Muslims get mass followings.

Do you believe they are being saved?

Do you believe in the prosperity gospel?

No, I can't quote any particular message he has said.
I will say that his altar call is solid, not like the little thing you hear on his 25 minute solo program.
And the TV cameras show many coming forth every week for the alter call.
And they are "live" programs.

 

[Ariel82]

Alright Angela, i get it. We can discuss via pm if you or Lynn like.

This thread feels like a vortex to me.

If anyone wants to talk to me about the subject, just pm me or catch me on another thread.

I typically check mine (for the first couple weeks) and maybe one or two posted by other people.

Anyway, to my brothers and sisters in Christ, I hope that you have a blessed day and that you continue to walk in love and grow in Christ.

 

[Ariel82]

No, I can't quote any particular message he has said.
I will say that his altar call is solid, not like the little thing you hear on his 25 minute solo program.
And the TV cameras show many coming forth every week for the alter call.
And they are "live" programs.

Sorry that just shows that people want his false promise of wealth and health. Not that he is leading people to Jesus.

I will keep you in prayer.

 

[AllenW]

No, I can't quote any particular message he has said.
I will say that his altar call is solid, not like the little thing you hear on his 25 minute solo program.
And the TV cameras show many coming forth every week for the alter call.
And they are "live" programs.

The prosperity gospel?
As I've known it since my introduction to Kenneth Hagen in 1985, it is not the same as Joel Osteen, but that's another thread.

 

[Locutus]

While I'm not a proponent of the prosperity gospel - and know little about Olsteen - there are some scriptures that say we will and can prosper:

Mark 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

 

[AllenW]

Sorry that just shows that people want his false promise of wealth and health. Not that he is leading people to Jesus.

I will keep you in prayer.

Wow, I'm impressed.
You know the spiritual condition of probably thousands of people you've never met, and you believe I am misleading their condition.
I can't get over the quality of people I keep meeting here on this forum.
I'm glad I'm here.

 

[royalscot]

Sorry that just shows that people want his false promise of wealth and health. Not that he is leading people to Jesus.

I will keep you in prayer.

out of interest , do you think your prayers are being heard by god.

the reason i say this when is this a church, and when did you answer for all ministries of this body.

12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.1 Corinthians 12: Spiritual Gifts

 

[stonesoffire]

Mar 9:40　 Whoever is not against us is for us.
　
Mar 9:41　 I tell you with certainty, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to the Messiah will never lose his reward."　

funny how we disregard some things in scripture.

Who's the greatest?

 

[Depleted]

There is a whole group of "Oneness" churches. I don't agree with them, but does that mean they aren't Christians because their doctrine isn't perfect?

"Oneness" as in they don't believe in the triune God?

YES!!! They are NOT Christians. Is this so hard?

 

[preacher4truth]

Mar 9:40　 Whoever is not against us is for us.
　
Mar 9:41　 I tell you with certainty, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to the Messiah will never lose his reward."　

funny how we disregard some things in scripture.

Who's the greatest?

That's funny because Osteen is against the disciples and Christ because he preaches a contrary gospel note Glatians 1:8-10. Plus, the pesky fact that passage doesn't do away with nor negate the entire testimony of Scripture to expose false prophets, false teachers, and a false gospel.

You might ought to do some more studying and find out what that passage means, not just what it says? You're frankly amiss there, fella. No worries though, you have lot's of company.

 

[jaybird88]

for some reason i was thinking this was a thread started by a bunch of single women.