Give us these kind of men

[dcontroversal]

And I saw Larry King trying his best to get Joel to alienate an entire audience of Jews. Doing everything he could to turn off an entire lost Religion to Christianity. That's not how Paul preached at Athens.

I also watched his wife "preach" and say we do not go to church to worship God....and Larry King is an example of what exactly.......

 

[preacher4truth]

I also want to remind that our suspicion of others is what happened during the time of Elisha

it is a good reminder for all of us to just pray for one another and not to have a part with those who say "will you go up with me to Ramoth Gilead"

thinking ouselves in service to GOD to right an offense (so we suppose) against GOD when we were told specifically not to uproot Not to break faith with one another but to avenge what is not in our right to avenge

We are to publicly renounce false teachers, and name them. Following Scripture on this is not being against God, sorry. It's being for God.

 

[sevenseas]

Nope, he, Steven Lawson is preaching God's truth.

The content of the video is encouraging, it practices 2 Timothy 3 and 4 of reproving and rebuking, something people who can't handle sound doctrine loathe, and is good content. If you can't handle exposing false teachers, false teachings, and following Scriptural instruction, then don't read my threads because they will offend you.

because you say so

right

got it

of course with a handle like preacherfortruth we can all just take your word for it

the thing is, the actual thing, is that you in all your super duper truth, cannot handle anyone saying wait a minute there

I can handle more then you any day of the week and twice on the week-ends

it's not really your thread though, is it. it's actually the thread of one Steve Lawson. you are just parroting

the Bible is not your personal passport to telling everyone else how righteous what you believe is and if the rest of us want to get to heaven, we need to emulate you

do you have the slightest idea how tiresome and repetitious and backed into a corner of your own making you sound with what you write?

sound doctrine is not sound because you say so

you are not the measuring stick for sound doctrine

you are just another finger pointer who gets his jollies by tearing other people down and calling it the gospel

this amateur posturing that is done, this calling others names, saying they have itching ears, saying they don't love the truth, is a very tired old soapbox that is used over and over again on forums that appear to sustain a Christian audience all over the world

it has become like an old rooster then just can't quite crow as loud as he used to but still has to thump his chest

the audience is dwindling as people seek God and realize they need His Spirit to lead them and not some stuffed shirt of a preacher who makes his living, not by preaching Jesus and life, but by preaching words flung like spears at people he does not even know

 

[dcontroversal]

I think we all owe Joel an apology

Not only Benny Hinn and Steve Lawson who misrepresented Joel as well

You can take the WE ALL out of that statement....I owe him nothing and personally watched him refuse to call Islam out and say that it leads to hell and I personally watched his wife "preach" that we do not come to church to worship God....both statements above are contrary to the truth....I will call it like I see it when statements like the above are made....regardless of how GOOD his message sounds and or feels......

 

[Locutus]

I'm no fan of televangelists or big ministries, I maybe wrong but many seem to attempt to build up theirs on pulling down some other ministries.

 

[preacher4truth]

I find it so interesting that I am being blasted by a professing believer for exposing false teachers, which Scripture is so replete with examples for doing so.

But the interesting thing is I am being attacked and slandered by some on a personal witch hunt on me because they say it is wrong to be on a witch hunt. Some people don't know Scripture.

To top all that off are the lies of Ariel in addition to this, then slamming my ministry as well in pure hypocritical fashion.

Maybe Paul was wrong in telling preachers to "reprove, rebuke, exhort" in 2 Timothy 3 & 4? Or, maybe, just maybe Paul was really showing us through all this what it looks like when people "will not endure sound doctrine" and accumulate false teachers unto themselves. No, Paul was not wrong, and the fact that people will not endure sound doctrine is seen within this thread. It is really, really saddening.

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm no fan of televangelists or big ministries, I maybe wrong but many seem to attempt to build up theirs on pulling down some other ministries.

Nope. Lawson is warning others and giving a clarion call. Funny insight though, are you trying to build yourself up by pulling Lawson down for being Biblical? Yes, I'd say that is accurate.

 

[sevenseas]

Osteen promotes covetousness, being lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. Keep in mind covetousness in the NT is also _________. And that is what Osteen is promoting, covetousness, which is _________, self-centeredness, and materialism in the name of God:

[video=youtube;jDuDN2FtrIo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDuDN2FtrIo[/video]

LOL!

and of course MacArthur knows all truth because he calls half the Christian population demonized

this guy, is doing the devil's job for him

 

[sevenseas]

Did someone say dessert?
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(And, nope. I can't think of anything good to say about Olsteen. It happens when fake gospel tries to replace real gospel and the country thinks fake gospel is Christianity.)

you don't have to think of something good Lynn

my gripe is with the constant negativity and nastiness in the forums

preacher here thinks if we disagree with his diatribe, we have itching ears, don't love the truth etc

that is not true and that is the type of nasty posting nobody needs

ps...anything but cherry pie. perhaps blueberry or apple crisp or peach?

 

[Willie-T]

I'm no fan of televangelists or big ministries, I maybe wrong but many seem to attempt to build up theirs on pulling down some other ministries.

THAT is the overreaching truth in almost all this Witch-Hunting. They seem to have to take down someone to get noticed.

 

[preacher4truth]

you don't have to think of something good Lynn

my gripe is with the constant negativity and nastiness in the forums

preacher here thinks if we disagree with his diatribe, we have itching ears, don't love the truth etc

that is not true and that is the type of nasty posting nobody needs

Like your nastiness above, maybe? Like your nasty accusatory assuming post maybe? Maybe you should join a Schuller-ite forum and get some positive power?

Or maybe you should rather get the log out of your eye:

MY OP stands, and it is a great reminder for discernment and exposing false teachers, you know, how you just tried to shame MacArthur as a false teacher yourself? Or, is it OK to demonize preachers when it comes from you, and it is only nasty and negative if others do it? Yep, that's what it is.

 

[sevenseas]

Like your nastiness above, maybe? Like your nasty accusatory assuming post maybe? Maybe you should join a Schuller-ite forum and get some positive power?

Or maybe you should rather get the log out of your eye:

MY OP stands, and it is a great reminder for discernment and exposing false teachers, you know, how you just tried to shame MacArthur as a false teacher yourself? Or, is it OK to demonize preachers when it comes from you, and it is only nasty and negative if others do it? Yep, that's what it is.

I know you better than you know yourself

your op is like a bird dropping in the wind. the bird just keeps flying and does not care where it drops

you are just one more off the assembly line of controllers who cannot stand anyone standing up to you

BOO!

 

[Locutus]

 

[Grace777x70]

LOL..I love that!....Everyone else has "itching ears" if they don't view a subject like "I or my group" does. We can be such children in our thinking. Sometimes it's just an opportunity for the flesh to exhibit itself with malice.

To be truthful ..IMO - living in malice towards others and slandering them because they have a different viewpoint on a subject is no different then those that say living a homosexual lifestyle is ok.

But sometimes in things like these = this truth below can come in handy.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

 

[miknik5]

We are to publicly renounce false teachers, and name them. Following Scripture on this is not being against God, sorry. It's being for God.

What I saw from the actual interview (at least the portion which was posted here) I did not see anything wrong in Joel's response to the telephone caller

 

[Grace777x70]

What I saw from the actual interview (at least the portion which was posted here) I did not see anything wrong in Joel's response to the telephone caller

I agree....It is always good to go look at what anyone is saying "in context" to get the full view of what is really being said. We need to go to the horse's mouth themselves to see exactly what is said and what is meant too.


Sometimes if things are not answered "in the way that I would answer" it - people can get bent out of shape and thus the works of the flesh become active if we are not careful to walk by the spirit.

 

[sevenseas]

mheh

figures

another lordship salvation proponent

you must be willing to die in order to be saved

because

Jesus' death was not enough

go around with that mentality long enough and you betcha everyone else will look like an evil sinner

focusing on the negative daily



says Mr Lawson:

Steve Lawson, another proponent of Lordship salvation, says it this way:

If you want to receive this gift it will cost you the total commitment of all that you are to the Lord Jesus Christ. There are many here who think they are saved, but are not; they have never really done business with God….I want to single you out in the midst of the crowd. Have you taken up a cross in order to follow after Christ? Have you recognized your own sinfulness, acknowledged that God’s judgment is true, have you acknowledged Christ’s right to rule your life? Have you submitted to the Lordship of Christ? Have you really come to the end of yourself? Because Jesus does not begin until you end.” (The Cost of Discipleship, It Will Cost You Everything, Resolved Conference, Feb. 2007)
source

see? IT WILL COST YOU?

if you want to receive the GIFT of salvation it will cost you?

anybody else see somewhat of a contradictory statement there?

for the record, I am well aware of myself without Jesus. which is why I trust in Jesus

if he wants me to die for Him, he will give me the grace to do so

that is how it really works.

at this time, that may not be such an impossible occurrence either

forget about whatsoever things are lovely. that's for people with itching ears

 

[thisgirl]

I was so excited when my friend who I'd prayed for for years ended up sitting by Joel. She even mentioned his ministry and he said Nothing about Jesus. Nothing! They chatted about other things but on a 4 hour flight there was no evidence of ministry. I was so excited when she first told me. Then i found out her sitting with the great silent evangelist was Gods way of telling me we are each called into ministry even on our down time on a plane. Sadly when focus is on saving the masses a divine individual appointment could be missed.

 

[Depleted]

How you approach people of different religions depends on what that person believes.

You have to help them separate the truth from the lies. All religions have a mixture of truth and lies or they wouldn't deceive so many people for so long.

Most major religions preach the Law and have a different way to be saved. Some even have a different goal. Some even promise their people they can become like God and rule their own little empire/planet/harem.

You have to learn what lies enslave a person so you can give them the Biblical truth.

One of the first steps is to get them to accept that God spoke to humanity through the Bible and show how the Bible speaks of Jesus and His salvation plan for us.

At least for me it was.

It might be different for others.

And, again, Jesus gave us examples on how to deal with those kinds of questions. You can't use one of his examples? (I would have picked the Good Samaritan for Larry. Really get him thinking, before he is stuck having to ask the next obvious question. lol)

Again -- Christianity 101.

 

[Grace777x70]

I was so excited when my friend who I'd prayed for for years ended up sitting by Joel. She even mentioned his ministry and he said Nothing about Jesus. Nothing! They chatted about other things but on a 4 hour flight there was no evidence of ministry. I was so excited when she first told me. Then i found out her sitting with the great silent evangelist was Gods way of telling me we are each called into ministry even on our down time on a plane. Sadly when focus is on saving the masses a divine individual appointment could be missed.

I agree 100% that divine appointments can be missed.

I can understand this in our own natural way of thinking too. I believe there is no true ministry being done unless directed by the Holy Spirit within us as He has prepared their hearts ahead of time to receive the individual ministry. There is a time to speak and a time to remain silent too.

Only the Lord can judge this situation for it's true reality.

Psalm 127:1 (NASB)

Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.