God’s Calendar part 2

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posthuman

posthuman

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Noose said:
I don't think so.
IMO, the nation Israel has always meant or prophesy about the church/kingdom of God (Spiritual), the other nations have always meant the opposite of the church or the kingdom of satan (spiritual). Today's governments/countries do not represent either spiritual kingdoms.
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who are the young lions then, and who is Gog?

regardless of allegory, when the prophets spoke about Babylon coming and taking captive Israel, it was a literal nation Babylon and a literal nation Israel and a literal conquest and a literal captivity. that doesn't mean that there is no meaning beyond the real physical events and real nations, but the larger meaning and symbolism doesn't make the literal nations and literal burdens and literal wars and literal prophecies nullified.

this chapter of prophecy in Ezekiel has yet to take place, and it involves the last days, and it involves literal nations and literal war - tho these very much real and literal events to take place are a picture also of spiritual truth.
i'm just saying, if America is in the Bible anywhere, it's IMO one of these young lions of the great maritime trading lion Tarshish. a bit part, blowing out some hot air, worried about economics while some other nation Gog sweeps down from the north to attack Israel.

what is Iran doing in Syria & Jordan these days, allied with the Russian bear, on the border of Israel?
what is America doing about that situation? :unsure:

but what are you saying, that Ezekiel 38 has no literal meaning at all, it's just allegorical of some metaphysical struggle?
the rest of the prophecies of nations rising against nations in Ezekiel were quite literal. what clues are there in the text that none of this is meant to be taken as being true?
 
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posthuman said:
who are the young lions then, and who is Gog?

regardless of allegory, when the prophets spoke about Babylon coming and taking captive Israel, it was a literal nation Babylon and a literal nation Israel and a literal conquest and a literal captivity. that doesn't mean that there is no meaning beyond the real physical events and real nations, but the larger meaning and symbolism doesn't make the literal nations and literal burdens and literal wars and literal prophecies nullified.

this chapter of prophecy in Ezekiel has yet to take place, and it involves the last days, and it involves literal nations and literal war - tho these very much real and literal events to take place are a picture also of spiritual truth.
i'm just saying, if America is in the Bible anywhere, it's IMO one of these young lions of the great maritime trading lion Tarshish. a bit part, blowing out some hot air, worried about economics while some other nation Gog sweeps down from the north to attack Israel.

what is Iran doing in Syria & Jordan these days, allied with the Russian bear, on the border of Israel?
what is America doing about that situation? :unsure:

but what are you saying, that Ezekiel 38 has no literal meaning at all, it's just allegorical of some metaphysical struggle?
the rest of the prophecies of nations rising against nations in Ezekiel were quite literal. what clues are there in the text that none of this is meant to be taken as being true?
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Rev 18:
....“Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!a

4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“Come out of her, My people,d

Isa 52:10The LORD has bared His holy arm in the sight of all the nations; all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. 11Depart, depart, go out from there! Touch no unclean thing; come out from it,purify yourselves, you who carry the vessels of the LORD.

Jer 51:44I will punish Bel in Babylon. I will make him spew out what he swallowed. The nations will no longer stream to him; even the wall of Babylon will fall. 45Come out from among her, My people! Save your lives, each of you, from the fierce anger of the LORD.

If these are not speaking of modern day Iraq and we are not being asked to come out of modern day Iraq, i highly doubt the verses you quoted are about modern day America.
 
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