God and Drug Addiction

7777pinacled · Mar 24, 2018

Where did you get this percentage?
a generalized statistic probably provided by a suspect source i imagine.
You have already been flagged in this board for Posting Links to very questionable sources. Sources that Blasphemed A Disciple of our Lord and Redeemer.

opiods are highly addictive, and there are medical consequences for using them to treat a patient long term.
Actually there are also legal ramifications.

Everyone already has a clear idea of how indicative the problem is when medical professionals treat patients with narcotics.
And everyone who is a Believer has a fairly clear Idea of where the evil is coming From.
Especially what media is being used to provide a mire.

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lightbearer said:

Whoa! MSM disagrees with me? This is not a surprise. This is them passing on their agenda and calling it "news."

And this is also the reason many, MANY people in chronic pain are being taken off pain meds, not because they are suddenly without pain. But because the agenda works, and now politicians who want to get reelected at any cost are promoting "Opioid bad. Marijuana good." Pain ned aren't becoming illegal. Doctors who prescribe them are threatened with criminal charges, and the government is finding them through the paperwork it has forced pharmists to give them.

It is so bad now, my primary was trying to help a patient who had surgery on Wednesday to get through the weekend. Just the weekend. The surgeon only gave pain pills to last 36 hours. If you've ever been cut opened, you know the pain is heaviest in the first three days, but the surgeon was already called into question for giving pain pills to last that long, so he prescribed less. When my primary sent in an order for the patient's pharmacy for enough to last through Monday, the pharmacy called back later to tell her the government wouldn't let them fill the order. Primary worried because she was afraid her license would be pulled. So one more person cut open had to live in pain because 3% of the population goes on to become drug addicts.

This is the reality MSM won't tell. It's not their agenda. Their agenda? "Opioids bad. Marijuana good."

I recommend getting your news by research, not by news.

Depleted · Mar 24, 2018

Pontiac said:

No! It is NOT the same thing.

Addiction is when the substance rules your life. It becomes the most important thing to you, and dictates how you live your life.

Dependency is just that -- dependent on something.

I was a drug addict. I was a counselor and teacher at the rehab I went through first. I am no longer addicted to drugs. (Still addicted to cigarettes.) And, now I am dependent on pain pills, but not addicted to them. Funny thing, I know what I'm talking about. I have the education, background, and experience to understand the difference.

You have what you were taught by MSM and personal experience.

Depleted · Mar 24, 2018

I would hate to see this thread read by an addict who is trying to find out what God is saying to him/her, because this has got to be one of the more naive threads ever to grace the BDF.

Just in case you are in this situation, please understand the vast majority of opinions voiced on this thread are from those who don't have a clue about the reality of addiction. Seek help from a rehab center for the addiction. (Even if you can't afford rehab call. They will know who can really help you, and, because it has become a sacred cow to politicians who want to get reelected, it might work in your favor. The government might pay for what you can't afford.) Seek help from real churches to have your questions answered about the Lord. But do NOT assume the info given on this thread is at all related to reality. This is a case where many people think about something, and believe because they thought it, it must be true. Meanwhile 90% of what was said isn't.

If you would like help, feel free to PM me. Nope. I'm no longer a teacher or counselor for a rehab center. BUT since I've been there, I am willing to help you find the practical help you need.

There is life after addiction.

Pontiac · Mar 24, 2018

I have the education, background, and experience to understand the difference.

"Depleted", all those things do is give you the ability to think what this world wants for you to think ... You can have all of that which you like and still fall miles short of someone who listens to God and is gifted their knowledge through Him ... You are a worldly thinker and proud of your background ... All is vanity ... You will become much wiser once you begin to listen to God and stop relying upon your own understanding ...

PROVERBS 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

Depleted said:

There are more.
Mothers of Babies Born Addicted to Drugs Could Lose Parental Rights Under New Kentucky Bill

Don't like news sources? Ok how about this....

Drug Addiction And Babies: Long Term Effects

Here is a quote from the above link, "Babies born to heroin addicted mothers are often born with an addiction to heroin and are at risk for the same potentially life-threatening side effects of withdrawal, if not medically maintained and tapered at birth."

Would you like to continue? Clinical studies maybe?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262892/

Here is an excerpt from the above link, "Even with a successful labor and delivery, neonates often have low birthweight and smaller head circumference as well as experience symptoms of opiate withdrawal" (Binder and Vavrinkova, 2008; Hunt et al, 2008; Kandall et al, 1976)

The following is an excerpt from this link

https://www.drugabuse.gov/

"NAS occurs when heroin passes through the placenta to the fetus during pregnancy, causing the baby to become dependent along with the mother."

Care to no more about NAS? The following is from this link: https://medlineplus.gov/medlineplus.html

Neonatal abstinence syndrome

Neonatal abstinence syndrome (NAS) is a group of problems that occur in a newborn who was exposed to addictive opiate drugs while in the mother’s womb.

Causes

Neonatal abstinence syndrome may occur when a pregnant woman takes drugs such as heroin, codeine, oxycodone (Oxycontin), methadone or buprenorphine.
These and other substances pass through the placenta that connects the baby to its mother in the womb. The baby becomes dependent on the drug along with the mother.
If the mother continues to use the drugs within the week or so before delivery, the baby will be dependent on the drug at birth. Because the baby is no longer getting the drug after birth, withdrawal symptoms may occur as the drug is slowly cleared from the baby's system.
Withdrawal symptoms also may occur in babies exposed to alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, and certain antidepressants (SSRIs) while in the womb .
Babies of mothers who use other addictive drugs (nicotine, amphetamines, cocaine, marijuana,) may have long-term problems. While there is no clear evidence of a neonatal abstinence syndrome for other drugs, they may contribute to the severity of a baby's NAS symptoms.

7777pinacled · Mar 24, 2018

Depleted said:

Yikes,
Most surgeries you go home pain free.
And as has already been cited from medical sources.
The narchotics being given are classified as a psychoactive inducing agent.
And I've seen where that leads a person. And it is Not a Good Place.

Chronic pain.
Yeah I know what that's like.
And i learned to work out instead of bein sedintary and taking medication long term.

You seemingly lack any factual representation from personal experience.
And you sound like you are justifying long term use!

7777pinacled · Mar 24, 2018

Depleted said:

Put it to you this way depleted.
I had a life long friend that end up suffering a serious bodily injury.
And after all the surgeries to repair multiple factures. And also reconstruct alot of the damage with metal pins and screws and what not.
I don't know all the details of the surgeries accept to say he was able to rehabilitate and fully walk again.

The issues of dependence on a strong narcotic came later.
And I'll tell you this, it is a difficult thing to watch a close friends brilliant talent corrode away while being taken a hold of by a pshycoactive inducing agent.(opiod)

There is no comparison to cigarettes, coffee, or even alcohol in these cases..

The severity of behavior, mind, altering effects are painfull to watch.
Even when they are somewhat sober. It is evident that they need serious help to recover fully from the damage.

Of course there is a spiritual force at work inititialy.
But no one can justify away the bio chemical force corroding the most vital organs needed to sustain a person.

MessageOfTheCross · Mar 24, 2018

Magenta said:

Christian disciplines do not give a Believer victory over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil. Only Faith that is placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and Cross of Calvary where the victory was won (Rom. 8:2). When the Believer does this it allows the Holy Spirit who strictly works between the parameter of Christ and the Cross, i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, to do what He was sent to do. This is the only way a Believer can receive Grace through Faith. Any other way Christ will not profit the Believer.

Magenta · Mar 24, 2018

MessageOfTheCross said:

I wonder why you keep talking about believers when I am talking about non-believers. Did that fact really escape your attention, or are you just not paying attention?

Depleted · Mar 25, 2018

Pontiac said:

Please do trust in the Lord, because what you've been taught about addiction isn't from the Lord. It's from the world.

Do you know the difference between someone addicted to drugs and someone dependent on drugs, if they stop the drugs they're on? The same thing -- withdraw. It is literally a physical change to the body, so it is a physical change to the body when stopped.

BUT do you know the difference between the mind of an addict and the mind of someone dependent on a drug? The addict is afraid of reality, so hides in the drug. The dependent is living reality, and fearful only of the change in that reality.

Did you not read what Angela said? Prednisone is addictive. She hasn't become addicted to it because all she wants out of it is real life. To stop hurting just enough to keep going on with real life. And yet, even though she is not an addict, she will suffer from the side effects -- withdraw -- from when she quits it. That's why she weans off it. And also why the long term effects are weighing on her. She's running out of options. And when all your joints are disintegrating in painful inflammation, that level of pain is beyond anything anyone can bear!

She's not an addict because all she wants out of life is the ability to learn and do for the Lord. Life doesn't get any realer than that!

You will become much wiser when you stop thinking your opinions are God's facts.

Depleted · Mar 25, 2018

lightbearer said:

There are more.
Mothers of Babies Born Addicted to Drugs Could Lose Parental Rights Under New Kentucky Bill

Don't like news sources? Ok how about this....

Drug Addiction And Babies: Long Term Effects

Here is a quote from the above link, "Babies born to heroin addicted mothers are often born with an addiction to heroin and are at risk for the same potentially life-threatening side effects of withdrawal, if not medically maintained and tapered at birth."

Would you like to continue? Clinical studies maybe?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262892/

Here is an excerpt from the above link, "Even with a successful labor and delivery, neonates often have low birthweight and smaller head circumference as well as experience symptoms of opiate withdrawal" (Binder and Vavrinkova, 2008; Hunt et al, 2008; Kandall et al, 1976)

The following is an excerpt from this link

https://www.drugabuse.gov/

"NAS occurs when heroin passes through the placenta to the fetus during pregnancy, causing the baby to become dependent along with the mother."

Care to no more about NAS? The following is from this link: https://medlineplus.gov/medlineplus.html

Neonatal abstinence syndrome

Neonatal abstinence syndrome (NAS) is a group of problems that occur in a newborn who was exposed to addictive opiate drugs while in the mother’s womb.

Causes

Neonatal abstinence syndrome may occur when a pregnant woman takes drugs such as heroin, codeine, oxycodone (Oxycontin), methadone or buprenorphine.
These and other substances pass through the placenta that connects the baby to its mother in the womb. The baby becomes dependent on the drug along with the mother.
If the mother continues to use the drugs within the week or so before delivery, the baby will be dependent on the drug at birth. Because the baby is no longer getting the drug after birth, withdrawal symptoms may occur as the drug is slowly cleared from the baby's system.
Withdrawal symptoms also may occur in babies exposed to alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, and certain antidepressants (SSRIs) while in the womb .
Babies of mothers who use other addictive drugs (nicotine, amphetamines, cocaine, marijuana,) may have long-term problems. While there is no clear evidence of a neonatal abstinence syndrome for other drugs, they may contribute to the severity of a baby's NAS symptoms.

Grow up!

All that to say this?

The baby becomes dependent on the drug along with the mother.

No kidding! That's what I said way back when. Dependency is not addiction!

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