this shows you do not have the heart or mind of God because yes I have been to a childrens hospital where suffering was minimalised by pain killers and the children had a joy and a closeness to the Lord that you would not believe...it was a ward of children with cystic fibrosis and I think all of them are now at home with the Lord in a place of perfect love, goodness and joy..you really are blind to the way God can bring about good even from evil..infact God bringing about His good purposes from our evil doing is what His salvation plan is all about
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Excellent.
God CREATED evil. Scripture says this. God created darkness.
Scripture says this, too.
But God created the CHOICE of evil . Man does it but, never, ever, never God chooses evil on His own, or, those in the throes of choosing election unto salvation , THAT NONE SHOULD PERISH! . God is FAITHFUL, waiting, to even just ONE who is not yet having chosen Him their personal Lord and Saviour but still IS going to church, praying heavily in the les, going to the altar, STILL asking God if it's really true...
"All I have to do is believe that YOU s, God, sent your only, begotten, Son to save the world to have eternal life?"
Yes, child. That is all
The Lord will lead you. Your job is real simple: Follow Him. Prayer, reading the Word, letting Him lead you to all good things, and, don't forget, all it takes is a mustard séed amount of faith, your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, your 'great' Helper and friend now that you aré living your life differently now, with a different reason for living, you're living in Him
May God's goodness be chosen by you now, now that you aré His, in His hands staying you aré sheltered from the (evil) storm, the valley that lurks just outside His grasp, that carries in its grounds , death. Fhoose Him, choose Life
God CREATED evil. Scripture says this. God created darkness.
Scripture says this, too.
But God created the CHOICE of evil . Man does it but, never, ever, never God chooses evil on His own, or, those in the throes of choosing election unto salvation , THAT NONE SHOULD PERISH! . God is FAITHFUL, waiting, to even just ONE who is not yet having chosen Him their personal Lord and Saviour but still IS going to church, praying heavily in the les, going to the altar, STILL asking God if it's really true...
"All I have to do is believe that YOU s, God, sent your only, begotten, Son to save the world to have eternal life?"
Yes, child. That is all
The Lord will lead you. Your job is real simple: Follow Him. Prayer, reading the Word, letting Him lead you to all good things, and, don't forget, all it takes is a mustard séed amount of faith, your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, your 'great' Helper and friend now that you aré living your life differently now, with a different reason for living, you're living in Him
May God's goodness be chosen by you now, now that you aré His, in His hands staying you aré sheltered from the (evil) storm, the valley that lurks just outside His grasp, that carries in its grounds , death. Fhoose Him, choose Life
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From Did God create evil? (link)
Question: "Did God create evil?"
Answer: At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.
Perhaps a further illustration will help. If a person is asked, “Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.” However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.
God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.
As finite human beings, we can never fully understand an infinite God (Romans 11:33-34). Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from a holy, eternal perspective. We look at things from a sinful, earthly, and temporal perspective. Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? These questions cannot be adequately answered this side of eternity. What we can know is whatever God does is holy and perfect and ultimately will glorify Him. God allowed for the possibility of evil in order to give us a true choice in regards to whether we worship Him. God did not create evil, but He allowed it. If He had not allowed evil, we would be worshipping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own will.
Question: "Did God create evil?"
Answer: At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.
Perhaps a further illustration will help. If a person is asked, “Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.” However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.
God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.
As finite human beings, we can never fully understand an infinite God (Romans 11:33-34). Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from a holy, eternal perspective. We look at things from a sinful, earthly, and temporal perspective. Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? These questions cannot be adequately answered this side of eternity. What we can know is whatever God does is holy and perfect and ultimately will glorify Him. God allowed for the possibility of evil in order to give us a true choice in regards to whether we worship Him. God did not create evil, but He allowed it. If He had not allowed evil, we would be worshipping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own will.
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I know. Welcome back Green! I missed reading your posts.
Are you woman done?
Oh no!!! Green is back
Oh no!!! Green is back
Ahhhhhh......so sweet aré miladies of our God and King
Hey, abidingsquirrel, you sure look buggy (emoticon), you sure you're a rodent
Robótica, quité plainly, I ONLY liked this post because you make sense in it.
God is OVER
all.
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But God created evil, cee. Man must make a choice not to serve evil. Satan=evil. Flesh=evil.
Spirit=good. Word=good. God both created evil and allowed evil to enter the world or else Satan would not have been in paradise. The very essence of evil was in paradise with Adam and Eve. Satan fell from grace with God in Heaven , Satan chose to become evil. I think we are saying the same thing , the Lord leads, He will.lead us here
Spirit=good. Word=good. God both created evil and allowed evil to enter the world or else Satan would not have been in paradise. The very essence of evil was in paradise with Adam and Eve. Satan fell from grace with God in Heaven , Satan chose to become evil. I think we are saying the same thing , the Lord leads, He will.lead us here
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Barnes:
And create evil - The parallelism here shows that this is not to be understood in the sense of all evil, but of that which is the opposite of peace and prosperity. That is, God directs judgments, disappointments, trials, and calamities; he has power to suffer the mad passions of people to rage, and to afflict nations with war; he presides over adverse as well as prosperous events. The passage does not prove that God is the author of moral evil, or sin, and such a sentiment is abhorrent to the general strain of the Bible, and to all just views of the character of a holy God.
And create evil - The parallelism here shows that this is not to be understood in the sense of all evil, but of that which is the opposite of peace and prosperity. That is, God directs judgments, disappointments, trials, and calamities; he has power to suffer the mad passions of people to rage, and to afflict nations with war; he presides over adverse as well as prosperous events. The passage does not prove that God is the author of moral evil, or sin, and such a sentiment is abhorrent to the general strain of the Bible, and to all just views of the character of a holy God.
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Clark:
I make peace, and create evil - Evil is here evidently put for war and its attendant miseries. I will procure peace for the Israelites, and destroy Babylon by war. I form light, and create darkness. Now, as darkness is only the privation of light, so the evil of war is the privation of peace.
I make peace, and create evil - Evil is here evidently put for war and its attendant miseries. I will procure peace for the Israelites, and destroy Babylon by war. I form light, and create darkness. Now, as darkness is only the privation of light, so the evil of war is the privation of peace.
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God created the action of 'evil,' cee, does this make more sense.
God is good, just because God created evil and darkness, of course, means nothing whatsoever of God being evil. This is a lie Satan has put in some's heads; cee, I believe an earlier post of yours in the thread speaks of assuming when one says 'God created evil' that it, too, means, God is evil. << Of this kind of correlation made (assumption) nothing could be further from the Truth, what His Word teaches in utter and complete opposite of. God created evil, it's just what Scripture says, and, man uses His 'good'in a wrong way and it TURNS that person to evil. See how that association goes ? By order of man's choice, what God made for good man chose an action against good, therefore, becoming evil.
Indirectly, God created that 'evil' that man does, NOT directly, God did not make Pharoah evil, but Pharoah chose evil actions, God then purposed Pharoah's chosen evil to become great good, to bring glory to Himself. , I guess , I may or may not be making sense, cee, the Lord leads
Yes, God creates calamity, or , allows it even.
God is good, just because God created evil and darkness, of course, means nothing whatsoever of God being evil. This is a lie Satan has put in some's heads; cee, I believe an earlier post of yours in the thread speaks of assuming when one says 'God created evil' that it, too, means, God is evil. << Of this kind of correlation made (assumption) nothing could be further from the Truth, what His Word teaches in utter and complete opposite of. God created evil, it's just what Scripture says, and, man uses His 'good'in a wrong way and it TURNS that person to evil. See how that association goes ? By order of man's choice, what God made for good man chose an action against good, therefore, becoming evil.
Indirectly, God created that 'evil' that man does, NOT directly, God did not make Pharoah evil, but Pharoah chose evil actions, God then purposed Pharoah's chosen evil to become great good, to bring glory to Himself. , I guess , I may or may not be making sense, cee, the Lord leads
Yes, God creates calamity, or , allows it even.
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Cee, I am sure we're in agreement, there is no evil by God toward those who have chosen Him, or, have not but still might choose Him, after having His drawing them to Him. God only allows those who won't choose Him and are willfully hurting others , like Pharoah, to be used for His good purposes that will bring about their end of wickedness IF they do not let God go into their person.
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God permits calamities but He is not the source of wickedness (evil, mischeif, bad, ill). The first mention of wickedness was by Lucifer. The first mention of wickedness of man was bought about by Satan. Wickedness is bought about when a being chooses not good. Listen: which err do you see here
good = evil and evil is good. God = devil and devil = God (I speak as a man here).
The will of God is good. The will of Satan is the oppositie of good. God sought to do good in His creation. Satan sought to do harm to that creation..
But I do agree that God uses the wickedness of people to turn it to good.
Devil = evil, God= good
evil = Devil, good = God
see where we get the words evil and good.
good = evil and evil is good. God = devil and devil = God (I speak as a man here).
The will of God is good. The will of Satan is the oppositie of good. God sought to do good in His creation. Satan sought to do harm to that creation..
But I do agree that God uses the wickedness of people to turn it to good.
Devil = evil, God= good
evil = Devil, good = God
see where we get the words evil and good.
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Cee, Yes, God wills us to do good. By God creating evil, I mean it in the most indirect of ways, it is not a fair argument I make, maybe. By no means do I say, God is evil. God created evil, God created darkness. But, cee, this is so man MUST have faith and choose light
Good night, Christbro.
Good night, Christbro.
since this is coming from you, I will spiritually ponder upon this and when I have been convinced either way, I will come back to this thread and give testimony as what I have been led to believe. For now, I will go and rest in Christ.
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Isaiah 10 >> New International Version 1984
1 Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, 2 to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. 3 What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches? 4 Nothing will remain but to cringe among the captives or fall among the slain.
Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away, his hand is still upraised.
God’s Judgment on Assyria
5 “Woe to the Assyrian, the rod of my anger, in whose hand is the club of my wrath! 6 I send him against a godless nation, I dispatch him against a people who anger me, to seize loot and snatch plunder, and to trample them down like mud in the streets. 7 But this is not what he intends, this is not what he has in mind; his purpose is to destroy, to put an end to many nations. 8 ‘Are not my commanders all kings?’ he says. 9 ‘Has not Calno fared like Carchemish? Is not Hamath like Arpad, and Samaria like Damascus? 10 As my hand seized the kingdoms of the idols, kingdoms whose images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria—11 shall I not deal with Jerusalem and her images as I dealt with Samaria and her idols?’”
12 When the Lord has finished all his work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, he will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes. 13 For he says:
“‘By the strength of my hand I have done this, and by my wisdom, because I have understanding. I removed the boundaries of nations, I plundered their treasures; like a mighty one I subdued a their kings. 14 As one reaches into a nest, so my hand reached for the wealth of the nations; as men gather abandoned eggs, so I gathered all the countries; not one flapped a wing, or opened its mouth to chirp.’”
15 Does the ax raise itself above him who swings it, or the saw boast against him who uses it? As if a rod were to wield him who lifts it up, or a club brandish him who is not wood! 16 Therefore, the Lord, the LORD Almighty, will send a wasting disease upon his sturdy warriors; under his pomp a fire will be kindled like a blazing flame. 17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, their Holy One a flame; in a single day it will burn and consume his thorns and his briers. 18 The splendor of his forests and fertile fields it will completely destroy, as when a sick man wastes away. 19 And the remaining trees of his forests will be so few that a child could write them down.
The Remnant of Israel
20 In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of the house of Jacob, will no longer rely on him who struck them down but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel.
21 A remnant will return, b a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God. 22 Though your people, O Israel, be like the sand by the sea, only a remnant will return. Destruction has been decreed, overwhelming and righteous. 23 The Lord, the LORD Almighty, will carry out the destruction decreed upon the whole land.
24 Therefore, this is what the Lord, the LORD Almighty, says:
“O my people who live in Zion, do not be afraid of the Assyrians, who beat you with a rod and lift up a club against you, as Egypt did. 25 Very soon my anger against you will end and my wrath will be directed to their destruction.”