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You are right, contradictions in the Bible are perceived contradictions, because the human mind does not have all the information.
But the Bible is not wrong like say the Hadith. Where the prophet says "A believer (muslim) eats in one intestine whereas a non-believer (non-muslim) eats in seven intestines." or "People should avoid lifting their eyes towards the sky while supplicating in prayer, otherwise their eyes would be snatched away."
But the Bible is not wrong like say the Hadith. Where the prophet says "A believer (muslim) eats in one intestine whereas a non-believer (non-muslim) eats in seven intestines." or "People should avoid lifting their eyes towards the sky while supplicating in prayer, otherwise their eyes would be snatched away."
Either your here to truly want to learn or your here to cause trouble.
We have answered your questions which tells me have you asked Jesus into your life in true repentance or are you trying to understand God from a person who is disconnected from God?
Reason why I ask is how are you to fully understand my father when you have not yet put your faith into Jesus. You have to be part of the family to understand God.
Are you saved or just curious about God?
We have answered your questions which tells me have you asked Jesus into your life in true repentance or are you trying to understand God from a person who is disconnected from God?
Reason why I ask is how are you to fully understand my father when you have not yet put your faith into Jesus. You have to be part of the family to understand God.
Are you saved or just curious about God?
The Holy Trinity:
God the Father: God OF man
God the Son: God AS man
God the Holy Spirit: God WITHIN man
When you can read through Scripture, and come to an understanding of this, then you will know the Truth.
IF you do not want to entertain the doctrine of men, why in the world are you ASKING men? Seek God.........draw near to God, and He will draw near to you, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit will give you understanding.
Do you even understand the process of Saved, Sanctified, Justified?
Understanding of the Holy Trinity certainly requires one to be able to feast on the meat of the Word, and, as you are a very new believer, you are probably still supping on milk..............take time to grow in Christ before trying to feast on the meat of the Word........you will save yourself a lot of heartaches and grief.
God the Father: God OF man
God the Son: God AS man
God the Holy Spirit: God WITHIN man
When you can read through Scripture, and come to an understanding of this, then you will know the Truth.
IF you do not want to entertain the doctrine of men, why in the world are you ASKING men? Seek God.........draw near to God, and He will draw near to you, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit will give you understanding.
Do you even understand the process of Saved, Sanctified, Justified?
Understanding of the Holy Trinity certainly requires one to be able to feast on the meat of the Word, and, as you are a very new believer, you are probably still supping on milk..............take time to grow in Christ before trying to feast on the meat of the Word........you will save yourself a lot of heartaches and grief.
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I have to be honest and say I question you and your presence here. Why? You state that you are 18 years old, and just saved this Year. You do not designate which Month..........still, as we are just near the middle of April.......
Having known many, many 16, 17, 18 year olds who have decided to give their lives to Christ.......not once did any of them ever make a statement such as:
"I want to learn the truth. I do not want to learn the doctrine of men."
In fact, not one of them ever even expressed a knowledge of a possible conflict between Biblical Truth and the doctrine of men......otherwise known as Denominational Teachings. Only far more mature people, with greater knowledge of Denominational Teachings would understand such a concept.
Because of that, I truly question IF you are what you hold yourself out to be............but, we shall see.
I have to be honest and say I question you and your presence here. Why? You state that you are 18 years old, and just saved this Year. You do not designate which Month..........still, as we are just near the middle of April.......
Having known many, many 16, 17, 18 year olds who have decided to give their lives to Christ.......not once did any of them ever make a statement such as:
"I want to learn the truth. I do not want to learn the doctrine of men."
In fact, not one of them ever even expressed a knowledge of a possible conflict between Biblical Truth and the doctrine of men......otherwise known as Denominational Teachings. Only far more mature people, with greater knowledge of Denominational Teachings would understand such a concept.
Because of that, I truly question IF you are what you hold yourself out to be............but, we shall see.
I think you are just having a problem understanding because God has to use something we can relate to communicate to us. We can relate to a parent-child relationship. It would be like me trying to communicate with say...an ant. I'd have to use ant speak and get myself down on a level the ant could understand. And if I was trying to explain myself and the world I live in, the ant would have a hard time trying to relate unless I used terms like: it's sort of like..." or, where I live is similar to...and then relate it to something he understands within his ant world. If I said skyscrapers are sort of like really tall anthills but millions of times taller and bigger, he might be able to grasp it even if just a tiny bit. I wouldn't let doctrine make me crazy if I were you. I don't think of God as three parts. When the Holy Spirit communes with me, I am just communing with God.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus is more than a visible image of God,but He is God that dwells in the light,that no person is worthy to approach unto,and no person has seen Jesus,and no person will ever see Jesus,according to Him being an invisible God,which Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise that day,although Jesus went to conquer death,hell,and the grave,and the son of man on earth,who is also in heaven.
Some say 3 persons in one God who are co-equal,but the Bible says,but to us there is but one God the Father,and in another place one God the Father,who is above all,through all,and in you all.
Why would the Bible only attribute the Father as God,and say He is above all,if there is a trinity co-equal.
Also the meaning of Son means to come after the Father,but the Bible says when the Son comes He will be from everlasting,have no beginning,but when the time was fully come,God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,made according to the flesh,which would be His beginning,the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus said do not ask Him anything when He resurrects to heaven,but only ask the Father,but in another place Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven to ask Him,and He will do it.
Why would Jesus say only ask the Father,and then say ask Me.
And then there are these scriptures that state,the Son shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor,the Mighty God,the everlasting Father,the prince of peace,and Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.
And then you have these scriptures.In the Old Testament God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them,and Jesus said,I am come in My Father's name,and the Son inherited the name from the Father,and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
Which I would like to know why the Bible says those things if there is a trinity,for it appears as if it is saying that there is only one God the Father,who is a Holy Spirit,and that is why Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit,and where is God the Son,and Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father.
Which makes it appear as if only one God with no distinction of persons is doing everything.
Which makes it appear like it is this,that there is not 3 persons in one God,but the 3 relationships the one God has with His people designated by titles.
Father-parent of the saints.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints.God in physical activity on earth,and the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,and God's visible relationship to the saints forever.
The Bible says there is only one throne in heaven,and one throne on earth,and the man Christ Jesus is our Mediator,and the Son is only on the right hand of God until His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.
Which means God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at His right hand,exercise the throne of power until His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall stop being at the right hand of God,stop exercising the throne of power,that God may be all in all,which means God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints,for He is the Mediator,and must reign until His Mediator role is no longer needed.
There is only one on the throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of both God and the Lamb,and Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven,who is a visible image of the invisible Father.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,and that is why the Spirit moved in creation,and Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in the saints.God in invisible activity.
Also let us make man in our image.Adam was made in the image of God,but in the New Testament Adam was made in the image of Christ,so the image of Christ is the image of God,an innocent nature in flesh,but Adam was a living soul,where Jesus is a quickening spirit.
God had the plan to come in the future on flesh,the Word,and created Adam in the image that He would show up in the future,an innocent nature in flesh.
God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,and all the works was finished from the foundation of the world.
Let us,God and the man Christ Jesus,make man in the image that we will appear on earth in the future,which the man Christ Jesus can be in the beginning before He is born,for He is a plan of God to happen in the future,so it is the same as if it happened in the beginning.
It appears as if the Bible is saying that there is only one God the Father,that is doing all the saving,and works for our salvation,and Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,are titles for His relationships with His people.
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus is more than a visible image of God,but He is God that dwells in the light,that no person is worthy to approach unto,and no person has seen Jesus,and no person will ever see Jesus,according to Him being an invisible God,which Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise that day,although Jesus went to conquer death,hell,and the grave,and the son of man on earth,who is also in heaven.
Some say 3 persons in one God who are co-equal,but the Bible says,but to us there is but one God the Father,and in another place one God the Father,who is above all,through all,and in you all.
Why would the Bible only attribute the Father as God,and say He is above all,if there is a trinity co-equal.
Also the meaning of Son means to come after the Father,but the Bible says when the Son comes He will be from everlasting,have no beginning,but when the time was fully come,God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,made according to the flesh,which would be His beginning,the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus said do not ask Him anything when He resurrects to heaven,but only ask the Father,but in another place Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven to ask Him,and He will do it.
Why would Jesus say only ask the Father,and then say ask Me.
And then there are these scriptures that state,the Son shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor,the Mighty God,the everlasting Father,the prince of peace,and Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.
And then you have these scriptures.In the Old Testament God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them,and Jesus said,I am come in My Father's name,and the Son inherited the name from the Father,and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
Which I would like to know why the Bible says those things if there is a trinity,for it appears as if it is saying that there is only one God the Father,who is a Holy Spirit,and that is why Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit,and where is God the Son,and Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father.
Which makes it appear as if only one God with no distinction of persons is doing everything.
Which makes it appear like it is this,that there is not 3 persons in one God,but the 3 relationships the one God has with His people designated by titles.
Father-parent of the saints.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints.God in physical activity on earth,and the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,and God's visible relationship to the saints forever.
The Bible says there is only one throne in heaven,and one throne on earth,and the man Christ Jesus is our Mediator,and the Son is only on the right hand of God until His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.
Which means God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at His right hand,exercise the throne of power until His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall stop being at the right hand of God,stop exercising the throne of power,that God may be all in all,which means God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints,for He is the Mediator,and must reign until His Mediator role is no longer needed.
There is only one on the throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of both God and the Lamb,and Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven,who is a visible image of the invisible Father.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,and that is why the Spirit moved in creation,and Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in the saints.God in invisible activity.
Also let us make man in our image.Adam was made in the image of God,but in the New Testament Adam was made in the image of Christ,so the image of Christ is the image of God,an innocent nature in flesh,but Adam was a living soul,where Jesus is a quickening spirit.
God had the plan to come in the future on flesh,the Word,and created Adam in the image that He would show up in the future,an innocent nature in flesh.
God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,and all the works was finished from the foundation of the world.
Let us,God and the man Christ Jesus,make man in the image that we will appear on earth in the future,which the man Christ Jesus can be in the beginning before He is born,for He is a plan of God to happen in the future,so it is the same as if it happened in the beginning.
It appears as if the Bible is saying that there is only one God the Father,that is doing all the saving,and works for our salvation,and Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,are titles for His relationships with His people.
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