God wills your steps, knowing you are always saved

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Bruce_Leiter

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This is my interpretation of once saved always saved.

For we do not know the hour or The day the lord will return.
But we have been left with his fruits of the holy spirit, The attributes of Lord Jesus Christ and the father and the holy spirit are all embedded in the fruits of the believer
The fruits of love always call out to there place of source through the believer to there place of origin from heaven,

The Fruits long for the return of the lord and the fruits are a seed of light from the holy spirit with the attributes of Our lord Jesus and the knowledge of his Father.

As believers The fruits lead us to hope but always keep us patient and calm knowing that they will return to the place of origin, for the fruits have the strength of the father mixed in and the wisdom and knowledge of knowing how to keep there new found light in there new found vessel the heart and mind if every believer, in reassurance.

The believer feals the presence of something wonderful and some times longs for that day more than ever, sometimes becoming mixed up in emotions of overwhelming love,

Which draws them to a place longing to see the lord and Father,
It's then the. Fruits speaks again to the believer only this time it's different because the believer is feeling mixed up in there emotions, it's then when once again God the father wills there steps.
The holy spirit hears there calling of distress and Jesus receives there message knowing his Sheep he once again relays a message to the holy spirit that then relays the message to the believer who knows his voice who hears his voice,

Until the next time the lord wills your steps which is everyday for me 😊
So, what do you believe about "once saved always saved"? It would be helpful if you would talk about Scripture instead of your speculations.
 

brightfame52

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That is the very core essence of the Gospel.

John 3:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
You cant find no scripture saying Jesus died to give people a choice, thats fables.
 

oyster67

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But you've changed the most important verse in the bible to say Jesus died for the people to choose.

This is so sad 😞
I quoted John 3:16-21 verbatim. This was my post:
That is the very core essence of the Gospel.

John 3:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 

oyster67

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You cant find no scripture saying Jesus died to give people a choice, thats fables.
That's the overlying and underlying theme of all Scripture. Jesus is hope for the hopeless. That includes you, my friend.

Joshua 24:15
“And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
 

Fundaamental

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That's the overlying and underlying theme of all Scripture. Jesus is hope for the hopeless. That includes you, my friend.

Joshua 24:15
“And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
hope is the essence of faith, faith is a fruit of the holy spirit.
The faith a Christian has comes from the holy spirit.
Once it has come from the holy spirit that's it your sealed for ever.
Its a new birth.
It's the soul being rescued.
 

brightfame52

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That's the overlying and underlying theme of all Scripture. Jesus is hope for the hopeless. That includes you, my friend.

Joshua 24:15
“And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
That verse has nothing to do with Salvation in Christ, its directed to Gods National Covenant People Israel, people are desperate when they fetch that verse. A person could have been an Israelite and still lost in their sins.
 

Fundaamental

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So, what do you believe about "once saved always saved"? It would be helpful if you would talk about Scripture instead of your speculations.
It seems you can't see or won't see a word that has been said in the op

I'm not putting the emphasis on the individual I'm asking the individual to talk about how God has willed there steps in there life.

Or provide scripture where willing of steps is seen,

I find it fascinating when the holy spirit is seen in every scripture.

It seems the true message is lost when dissociation of the holy spirit is lost.
I believe that when you forget the holy spirit is always there it's when you forget God is willing your steps.

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him,
 

Blain

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This is my interpretation of once saved always saved.

For we do not know the hour or The day the lord will return.
But we have been left with his fruits of the holy spirit, The attributes of Lord Jesus Christ and the father and the holy spirit are all embedded in the fruits of the believer
The fruits of love always call out to there place of source through the believer to there place of origin from heaven,

The Fruits long for the return of the lord and the fruits are a seed of light from the holy spirit with the attributes of Our lord Jesus and the knowledge of his Father.

As believers The fruits lead us to hope but always keep us patient and calm knowing that they will return to the place of origin, for the fruits have the strength of the father mixed in and the wisdom and knowledge of knowing how to keep there new found light in there new found vessel the heart and mind if every believer, in reassurance.

The believer feals the presence of something wonderful and some times longs for that day more than ever, sometimes becoming mixed up in emotions of overwhelming love,

Which draws them to a place longing to see the lord and Father,
It's then the. Fruits speaks again to the believer only this time it's different because the believer is feeling mixed up in there emotions, it's then when once again God the father wills there steps.
The holy spirit hears there calling of distress and Jesus receives there message knowing his Sheep he once again relays a message to the holy spirit that then relays the message to the believer who knows his voice who hears his voice,

Until the next time the lord wills your steps which is everyday for me 😊
There are many things I want to touch on in this but I just wanted to let you know in spirit Iagree completely with all you have said here.

I have noticed your growth as of late you are becoming more calm mature and the things you say now while before were truth you now speak things more fruitfully. You are clearly continuing in your drive for the calling you recieved from him your not just discussing or debating for the sake of doing so your actually learning growing in turn giving to the church like this post here.

This is the planting of the seeds of the kingdom I was hoping would start.
 

Blain

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That verse has nothing to do with Salvation in Christ, its directed to Gods National Covenant People Israel, people are desperate when they fetch that verse. A person could have been an Israelite and still lost in their sins.
Sometimes it's the place or people a verse is speaking that matters but the message in it.
 

DJT_47

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Once saved always saved is inconsistent with scripture. A simple read of Hebrews will confirm this as it contained clear warnings to the newly converted Hebrews regarding falling away and its consequences.
 

ThyKingdomComeSoon

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Ultimately, Jesus the son of GOD is the only one who decides who will be saved;

(KJV) John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

for context i added extra verses from JOHN (KJV)below;

Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know mysheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
 

oyster67

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hope is the essence of faith, faith is a fruit of the holy spirit.
The faith a Christian has comes from the holy spirit.
Once it has come from the holy spirit that's it your sealed for ever.
Its a new birth.
It's the soul being rescued.
Sounds nice and poetic, but faith is what we give back to the Lord. It is we who must place our faith in Him. It is the soul showing appreciation back to its creator.

Hebrews 10:23
“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised”

Hebrews 11:6
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
 

Fundaamental

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Sounds nice and poetic, but faith is what we give back to the Lord. It is we who must place our faith in Him. It is the soul showing appreciation back to its creator.

Hebrews 10:23
“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised”

Hebrews 11:6
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
This sounds poetic too friend 😊

Where does the faith come from ?
 

oyster67

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That verse has nothing to do with Salvation in Christ, its directed to Gods National Covenant People Israel, people are desperate when they fetch that verse. A person could have been an Israelite and still lost in their sins.
Joshua chose to serve the Lord. That is salvation, my friend.
 

Fundaamental

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Joshua chose to serve the Lord. That is salvation, my friend.
Your talking about the faith that draws you to God I was talking about the Faith that keeps you with God.
The one you reçieve with the fruits of the holy spirit, not the one that draws you to God.
 

oyster67

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This sounds poetic too friend 😊

Where does the faith come from ?
We place our faith in the Lord. As I posted before,

faith is what we give back to the Lord. It is we who must place our faith in Him. It is the soul showing appreciation back to its creator.

Hebrews 10:23
“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised”

Hebrews 11:6
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
 

brightfame52

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Sometimes it's the place or people a verse is speaking that matters but the message in it.
Thats always true, however that verse has nothing to do with salvation in Christ, sorry thats just a desperate move. This is about the statement:

No. That is not the Gospel. Jesus died to provide us a choice...
Then run and get Joshua 24 as a proof text, its not even in the same stratosphere.

Even the other scripture the poster initially posted doesnt say that:


2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 

brightfame52

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Joshua chose to serve the Lord. That is salvation, my friend.
No has nothing to do with Salvation in Christ. Even if you want to go there, it says nothing about Christ died to give him a choice, if anything God chose him to serve the Lord in agreement with John 15:16

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Then you are making salvation based upon works:

Later the people said to Joshua:


21 And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the Lord.

22 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the Lord, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses.

23 Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the Lord God of Israel.


So you are saying this is faith in Jesus Christ ! You are forcing something there that not there, not even close, all this is under a national covenant of works.
 

oyster67

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Thats always true, however that verse has nothing to do with salvation in Christ, sorry thats just a desperate move. This is about the statement:



Then run and get Joshua 24 as a proof text, its not even in the same stratosphere.

Even the other scripture the poster initially posted doesnt say that:


2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
All of these verses pertain to salvation. It is only you who seems to be confused. Overcomplicating things seems to be your hallmark. I hope, for your own sake, that it is not intentional.
 

oyster67

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So you are saying this is faith in Jesus Christ ! You are forcing something there that not there, not even close, all this is under a national covenant of works.
The men of God in the OT came in by faith just like we do. Please study Hebrews 11.