God's Commandment For Women Not To Speak In Church

[1ofthem]

Women's suffrage has caused more problems than you would admit to.

All you have to do to pervert the interpretation of God's Word is to claim that chastening someone is abusing them.

Suddenly, women being chastened is "innocent women being abused by monstrous husbands". You'd gladly welcome living in Babylon because it's comforting and easy.

"Arrest my husband, he raised his voice at me and said I should be taking care of the children"
"Are you Christian?"
"Yes I'm Christian, and I feel bad for my husband but please arrest him I'm being abused"

I'm really not sure what you don't understand here...I never said anything about I would love to just live in comfort or in Babylon (go against the word of the Lord in anyway)...Now this is just your opinions that you have place upon me.

I didn't say or think any of the stuff you said and you thought I meant something else...Now just imagine if this was a husband and wife have a misunderstanding of what the other was saying...would that mean I should be whipped now?

 

[beta]

Zen old Zen You opened a bucket of worms when you opened your mouth...Why don't you simply apologize and learn from it? Learn to think before you flap your gums

I am going to defend Zen ! I have been in conversation with him and there was no animosity against me whatever !!! I found nothing in him to compain of ...let him be !

 

[Zen]

I am going to defend Zen ! I have been in conversation with him and there was no animosity against me whatever !!! I found nothing in him to compain of ...let him be !

May God bless you, sister! I hope they can learn from your example in being a godly lady.

 

[Denadii]

Hahaha, I love It!
your a doll Denadii!
your a proper gentleman!

Oh Please! No name calling. LOL I've always thought women were special, and brain dead comments like Zen made make me boil. I think he said it was a joke but if he really thinks its a joke, he's the joke.

 

[BeyondET]

As I write this, there are over 40 million people in slavery right now on this earth, the vast majority of these people are women.
how did this happen it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, appalling it sickens me to my core along with the many other atrocities in this world. to anyone who thinks its ok to beat women your better off with millstone around your neck tossed into the sea.

 

[shrume]

Suddenly, women being chastened is "innocent women being abused by monstrous husbands".

The problem is you equate chastening women with "beating them into submission".

 

[Zen]

I'm really not sure what you don't understand here...I never said anything about I would love to just live in comfort or in Babylon (go against the word of the Lord in anyway)...Now this is just your opinions that you have place upon me.

I didn't say or think any of the stuff you said and you thought I meant something else...Now just imagine if this was a husband and wife have a misunderstanding of what the other was saying...would that mean I should be whipped now?

You said that abusive relationships are a real thing. It's true and I've never disputed that. What I'm saying is that you can get your own way if you change the definition of chasten to abuse. Chastening is not abuse, or cruelty. When I said "beat", you probably all thought I meant "punch repeatedly in the face". Whatever. Modern women can get offended by just knowing that a man would want them to stay at home to raise children.

 

[Denadii]

You said that abusive relationships are a real thing. It's true and I've never disputed that. What I'm saying is that you can get your own way if you change the definition of chasten to abuse. Chastening is not abuse, or cruelty. When I said "beat", you probably all thought I meant "punch repeatedly in the face". Whatever. Modern women can get offended by just knowing that a man would want them to stay at home to raise children.

Why do you assume that all modern women are radical feminists? They're not. I too have a hard time seeing those feminists as female much less women. They act like animals a lot of the time. But still...The majority of women are well worth knowing. Well worth talking to. and well worth sitting down and learning from them. That still leave the two classes...Women and Ladies. All ladies are women but not all women are ladies. Oh Hey! That applies to men too!

 

[Seekingfamily]

I agree with beta, I too have been talking to him. I believe we all in our life span has opened a can of worms, by what we said.
I've purchased a can a few times, because of disagreement, or misunderstanding. I've been a victim of violence, of many kinds, so I understand the stance, it is nothing to take lightly. One thing I take in account is time period, beat in modern times is defined as abuse...but did it mean the same back then? Could it have meant a spanking? Yet, to my reading the bible does not mention chasten your wife, nor while reading about Jesus, do I see him chasten with beatings...and I would stick to following Jesus' example.

 

[Denadii]

The problem is you equate chastening women with "beating them into submission".

And it's not a mans job to chasten a woman anyway. God can talk to her just as easily as to a man.

 

[Rachmiel]

I agree the feminists pretty generally have ruined society
But I think of feminism as yet another ancient malady brought to us by the Boomers
It's what gets the old men going, we just have to wait them out
Today our feminists are way different
And they're the ones that are just small peas
Little brats crying and protesting against Trump in pink hair for their muslim lovers
You know with the feminist it won't even do any good to beat her
They are all stupid and impudent, many are lesbians, but they're still all hung up on men
The real women today that a young man has to beware of is the "Maneater"
I'll let Nelly Furtado explain it in a song so you get it then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1VzSNhMpo
[video=youtube;oI1VzSNhMpo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1VzSNhMpo[/video]

 

[BeyondET]

I agree the feminists pretty generally have ruined society
But I think of feminism as yet another ancient malady brought to us by the Boomers
It's what gets the old men going, we just have to wait them out
Today our feminists are way different
And they're the ones that are just small peas
Little brats crying and protesting against Trump in pink hair for their muslim lovers
You know with the feminist it won't even do any good to beat her
They are all stupid and impudent, many are lesbians, but they're still all hung up on men
The real women today that a young man has to beware of is the "Maneater"
I'll let Nelly Furtado explain it in a song so you get it then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1VzSNhMpo
[video=youtube;oI1VzSNhMpo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1VzSNhMpo[/video]

And there are women watching out for the womaneater, one can easily change she to he in that song and it be of truth as well.

 

[shrume]

And it's not a mans job to chasten a woman anyway. God can talk to her just as easily as to a man.

We all (both men and women) need chastening at times, and sometimes it comes from others in the body of Christ. See Gal 2:11-14; 1 Tim 5:20; 2 Tim 4:2, and more.

 

[beta]

May God bless you, sister! I hope they can learn from your example in being a godly lady.

Thank you friend...they are blowing this up out of all proportion....let it go.

 

[Zen]

Thank you friend...they are blowing this up out of all proportion....let it go.

Good advice. Happy Sabbath to you ♥

 

[beta]

Good advice. Happy Sabbath to you ♥

Thank you friend...the same to you !

ps...where do you get that little heart from ? love it !

 

[proverbs35]

The scripture in the OP does not support that, brother. Women are not to speak AT ALL in the assembly, but to be in silence.

I'm writing this post knowing full well that it's probably going to fall on deaf ears. However, I'm not writing for you, but I'm writing for those precious readers who may be lead astray by all the nonsense you are putting forth in this thread.

11 A woman[ should learn in QUIETNESS and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be QUIET. 1 Tim 2:11-12

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 1 Cor 14:34

1) Enow claims that "women are not to speak AT ALL in the assembly, but the Bible doesn't state that. The words AT ALL are NOT listed in 1 Tim 2:11-12 or 1 Cor 14:34.
Enow added the words AT ALL - as in women are not to speak AT ALL in the assembly. Enow made that up. That's not in the Bible.

2) There are some new testament examples of women speaking in church - an assembly, congregation, the whole body of Christian believers:

- There was also a prophet, Anna, the daughter of Penuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, and then was a widow until she was eighty-four. She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. Coming up to them at that very moment, she gave thanks to God and SPOKE about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem. Luke 2:36-38.

- Churches in the New Testament era met in homes (Acts 2:46; 20:20). Rhoda spoke in the assembly of believers that was being held at Mary's house:

When this had dawned on him, he went to the house of Mary the mother of John, also called Mark, where many people had gathered and were praying. Peter knocked at the outer entrance, and a servant named Rhoda came to answer the door. When she recognized Peter’s voice, she was so overjoyed she ran back without opening it and EXCLAIMED, “Peter is at the door!”“You’re out of your mind,” they told her. When she kept INSISTING that it was so, they said, “It must be his angel.”But Peter kept on knocking, and when they opened the door and saw him, they were astonished. Acts 12:12-1

If someone doesn't believe in women teaching men or holding authoritative positions over men in the assembly of the church. Fine. That's their prerogative based on certain verses. However, that does not justify MISHANDLING scriptures and propagating the lie that "women are not to speak AT ALL in the assembly."

- In the NT, the prophet Anna spoke in the temple to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem about the newborn Christ child. Luke 2:36-38.

- In the NT, Rhonda spoke to the assembly gathered at Mary's house about Paul's arrival. Paul didn't rebuke her for speaking to the assembly.

 

[Zen]

Thank you friend...the same to you !

ps...where do you get that little heart from ? love it !

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[proverbs35]

a commandment from the Lord as the Word of God must come through the men first. That is the decency and order of all things spiritual.

Another falsehood and gross manipulation of scripture. The assembly is not limited or confined to a physical building of edifice. Scripture tells us that where two or more are gathered in Jesus' name, He is in their mist. Mat 18:20

There are examples in scripture where God gave or sent messages, commands (i.e. instructions) to a woman before giving them to a man:

- God gave Sarah some very important insight about a household matter. After all, a virtuous woman watches over the affairs of her house. Pro 31:27

Then God told Abraham to "listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." Gen 21:12
God could have given the message concerning that household matter directly to Abraham. However, God chose to have Abraham listen to and OBEY his wife instead.

- Esther informed her husband about Haman's plot to kill God's chosen people. Xerxes was rather clueless. It was Esther who informed about what was going on in his kingdom right under his nose. Xerxes didn't get the info first. Esther did. Book of Esther

- God gave the message to prophetess Deborah. Then, Deborah gave the message to Barak:

She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, “The Lord, the God of Israel, commands you: ‘Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead them up to Mount Tabor. I will lead Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.’ ” Judges 4:6

The Angel told the virgin Mary that she would give birth to the Christ child. Joseph didn't find out until later. Luke 1:26-35

- The angel of the Lord gave commands to Zorah's wife concerning their son first. Then, she went home and told her husband about it. Judges chapter 13

- The angel of the Lord appeared to Mary Magdalene and the other Mary first. The angel told them to tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Mat 2:7

Mary Magdalene and the other Mary saw the resurrected Christ before his male disciples did. Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene and the other Mary first. Jesus gave them a message to give to the disciples, "Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.” Mat 28:10.

Therefore it's completely false to claim that a "commandment from the Lord as the Word of God must come through the men first."
There's no a verse in the Bible that says that the "commandment from the Lord as the Word of God must come through the men first." That's not in the Bible.

 

[Locutus]

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