GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Hizikyah]

For us, we are redeemed by death, and whoever has died is free from law and from sin. Whether we keep feasts or sabbaths or diets is not our justification before God, Christ, and His perfection, is our righteousness by our faith in His finished work. therefore we must not let anyone judge us by any of these rudimentary things; it is by the Spirit we have been brought to peace with Him.


I don't presume to know how God will judge people in their ignorance or their knowledge. All men know good from evil and He knows the heart of all men. But Messiah is clear when He speaks to the Pharisees and says they will be judged and condemned by Moses, as Moses is who they put their hope in, and we know that whoever does not believe is condemned already.


Where you quote from Romans, Paul is firmly establishing that all are condemned, Jew and Gentile alike. Salvation is through immersion into the death of Christ, and whoever has died, the Law no longer has any power over. There us therefore Now no more condemnation for those in Him, and we enter Him by belief, not by righteousness according to Law.

But in saying some of this you are ading your thougts to my words as if I said or implied them. Brother this is not what I said or implied.

I am not going to touch on everything you said as some of it was unwarrante4d, but I will say this, we are free for the law of sin and death, it is not YHWH Laws, it is the ways of the world/satan..

Romans
25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.


"I have deliverance", is it deliverance from "do not steal" or deliverance from breaking "do not steal"? Or is it deliverance from a mind that wants to do those things?


Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”


Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”


1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."


He did not bear witness against the Law, He came to bear witness against sin, which is the breaking the Law.


Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?


Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”


Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

proclaiming His Law is right and to be followed is not saying justification by ones own works and ignoring mercy through Yahshua's blood.

 

[garee]

But in saying some of this you are ading your thougts to my words as if I said or implied them. Brother this is not what I said or implied.

I am not going to touch on everything you said as some of it was unwarrante4d, but I will say this, we are free for the law of sin and death, it is not YHWH Laws, it is the ways of the world/satan..

We are not free from the law sin but the penalty or wage of sin of the law. The letter will continue to convict us and kill our pride but it can never make us perfect .All men die not receiving the promise. We are being made perfect by Christ's work of faith. He preformed it it provided us His grace. His grace as the result of his three day labor of love teaches us to say no. But does not make us say no. Only God can soften our hearts by giving us His grace .

Romans
25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.A


"I have deliverance", is it deliverance from "do not steal" or deliverance from breaking "do not steal"? Or is it deliverance from a mind that wants to do those things?

Its deliverance from the one wage of sin, eternal damnation. The literal law remains as long as the Sun and moon stay in their courses. As long as we remain in theses bodies of sin there will be sin .And forgiveness in Christ. Without him there is no forgiveness..

 

[Hizikyah]

We are not free from the law sin but the penalty or wage of sin of the law. The letter will continue to convict us and kill our pride but it can never make us perfect .All men die not receiving the promise. We are being made perfect by Christ's work of faith. He preformed it it provided us His grace. His grace as the result of his three day labor of love teaches us to say no. But does not make us say no. Only God can soften our hearts by giving us His grace .


Its deliverance from the one wage of sin, eternal damnation. The literal law remains as long as the Sun and moon stay in their courses. As long as we remain in theses bodies of sin there will be sin .

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The “curse of the Law” is receiving death for sin worthy of death. Yahshua/Jesus took that curse upon Himself for all those in Him.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Yah – so that you do not defile the land which [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:10-14, “10, "For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.” (Deut 27:26) 11, "And that no one is declared right by Torah before YHWH is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief. (Hab 2:4)” 12, "And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them, (Leviticus 18:5)” 13, "Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” – (Deut 21:23) 14, "in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law (death), being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 2:24, "who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 53:4-5, “Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookedness. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 4:1-2, "Therefore, since Messiah suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so that he no longer lives the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but according to the desire of YHWH."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 111:7-8, “The works of His hands are truth and right-ruling, All His orders are trustworthy, They are upheld forever and ever, Performed in truth and straightness.”[/FONT]

 

[gb9]

But in saying some of this you are ading your thougts to my words as if I said or implied them. Brother this is not what I said or implied.

I am not going to touch on everything you said as some of it was unwarrante4d, but I will say this, we are free for the law of sin and death, it is not YHWH Laws, it is the ways of the world/satan..

Romans
25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.


"I have deliverance", is it deliverance from "do not steal" or deliverance from breaking "do not steal"? Or is it deliverance from a mind that wants to do those things?


Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”


Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”


1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."


He did not bear witness against the Law, He came to bear witness against sin, which is the breaking the Law.


Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?


Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”


Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

proclaiming His Law is right and to be followed is not saying justification by ones own works and ignoring mercy through Yahshua's blood.

you conveniently skipped Romans 8 v. 4.=, which states that the righteous requirement is fulfilled in us, who do not live our lives by the flesh, but by the Sprit. now, when Paul goes on to list the fruits of the Sprit, Sabbath is not one of them.

nice try at deception, but yet another............. well, you know.

 

[Hizikyah]

you conveniently skipped Romans 8 v. 4.=, which states that the righteous requirement is fulfilled in us, who do not live our lives by the flesh, but by the Sprit. now, when Paul goes on to list the fruits of the Sprit, Sabbath is not one of them.

nice try at deception, but yet another............. well, you know.

and you di not mention Romans 8:7 so are you deceptive also? What about Revelation 22? and Mat 19? an Mat 5? and so on, they were not mentioned?


Romans 8:1-8, "8:1, "There is, then, now no condemnation to those who are in Messiah יהושע, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."8:2, "For the torah of the Spirit of the life in Messiah יהושע has set me free from the torah of sin and of death."8:3, "For the Torah being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, Elohim, having sent His own Son in the likeness of flesh of sin, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,"8:4, "so that the righteousness of the Torah should be completed in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."8:5, "For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the matters of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the matters of the Spirit."8:6, "For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace."8:7, "Because the mind of the flesh is enmity towards Elohim, for it does not subject itself to the Torah of Elohim, neither indeed is it able,"8:8, "and those who are in the flesh are unable to please Elohim."

Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”

 

[Hizikyah]

you conveniently skipped Romans 8 v. 4.=, which states that the righteous requirement is fulfilled in us, who do not live our lives by the flesh, but by the Sprit. now, when Paul goes on to list the fruits of the Sprit, Sabbath is not one of them.

nice try at deception, but yet another............. well, you know.

Is not taking YHWH's name in emptyness one of them? He dint mention that one either... WOWWW! aLSO ARE THE tHESSALONIANS LWS DIFFERENT THAN THE gfALATIANS? AND ARE THE cOLOSSIANS LAWS DOIFFERENT THAN THE cORINTHIANS? They were letters to different places not widley distributed until years later. so they must of each had a different path to YHWh OR they were sinply letters not emcompassing every bit of Instruction ond knowledge needed....

 

[posthuman]

But in saying some of this you are ading your thougts to my words as if I said or implied them. Brother this is not what I said or implied.

i was as much talking to you as replying to all of the things said and implied in this thread. Didn't mean it all came from you!

The way i have become saved is to have died as far as the Law is concerned - the Torah - and I maintain that it is one Torah, not to be broken into parts.

I am indeed a slave to righteousness, and I am indeed free, slave to nothing, and I am indeed the slave of my Lord. I am not a slave to the thing that considers me dead, neither sin, nor Torah. Though the Torah teaches righteousness, the righteousness according to Torah is not the one that Messiah came to establish, He is the minister of a better covenant.

 

[gb9]

and you di not mention Romans 8:7 so are you deceptive also? What about Revelation 22? and Mat 19? an Mat 5? and so on, they were not mentioned?


Romans 8:1-8, "8:1, "There is, then, now no condemnation to those who are in Messiah יהושע, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."8:2, "For the torah of the Spirit of the life in Messiah יהושע has set me free from the torah of sin and of death."8:3, "For the Torah being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, Elohim, having sent His own Son in the likeness of flesh of sin, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,"8:4, "so that the righteousness of the Torah should be completed in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."8:5, "For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the matters of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the matters of the Spirit."8:6, "For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace."8:7, "Because the mind of the flesh is enmity towards Elohim, for it does not subject itself to the Torah of Elohim, neither indeed is it able,"8:8, "and those who are in the flesh are unable to please Elohim."

Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”

look, what I do is actually read the Bible, from front to back, over and over. I do not like to toss verses back and forth, there are over 30,000 verses, so one can pretty much make the Bible say anything with plucking and conjoining . but, since one of here does that all the time, I just point out the verses that you skip. I am not here to push agendas. you are. I have nothing against keeping the Sabbath, or the feasts, or the day of atonement. if you or anyone wants to, go ahead.

but, when you say that one has to in order to be saved, that is a lie. and I will continue to point it out.

 

[Hizikyah]

look, what I do is actually read the Bible, from front to back, over and over. I do not like to toss verses back and forth, there are over 30,000 verses, so one can pretty much make the Bible say anything with plucking and conjoining . but, since one of here does that all the time, I just point out the verses that you skip. I am not here to push agendas. you are. I have nothing against keeping the Sabbath, or the feasts, or the day of atonement. if you or anyone wants to, go ahead.

but, when you say that one has to in order to be saved, that is a lie. and I will continue to point it out.

Quote where I say:

when you say that one has to in order to be saved, that is a lie.

Who is lying?

So you just point out all the verses I skip... Yeah so this is a bible discussion forum, in which Bible verses will be posted, I dont need to post the entire book to quote a verse or passage and posting a verse does not mean it is used improperly or properly. I come here to discuss Scripture and what I beleive. If it was so so so wrong I woul not ahve Scripture to display, as most the time I simply use Scripture and not my own words, I find many have a doctrines that are not found iun the word so "the verse does noit mean what it says" and most of the poepl that disagree with me strongly seem to ONLY post Paul, the one writer of the NT who never met or walked with Yahshua/Jesus and is the only writer singled out as "hard to understand....and people twist his words into lawlessness" Go figure...

 

[Hizikyah]

i was as much talking to you as replying to all of the things said and implied in this thread. Didn't mean it all came from you!

The way i have become saved is to have died as far as the Law is concerned - the Torah - and I maintain that it is one Torah, not to be broken into parts.

I am indeed a slave to righteousness, and I am indeed free, slave to nothing, and I am indeed the slave of my Lord. I am not a slave to the thing that considers me dead, neither sin, nor Torah. Though the Torah teaches righteousness, the righteousness according to Torah is not the one that Messiah came to establish, He is the minister of a better covenant.

OK possibly I misunderstood what you were saying, I actually re read your post and thought my words a little unfocused honestly.

I have a simlar view except that I beleive Yahshua/Jesus taught the proper view/intrepratation/way to walk in the Torah/Law/Instructions.

This kind of oversimplifies it as we need the whole Word, but it is summed up well in this passage IMO:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

Minor differences aside may we seek YHWH and His Messiah in truth and do His will not our own, nor fall into temptation.

praises to Yah for His perfect righteousness, mercy and judgement! May Yah guide!


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[LoveGodForever]

Scriptures Plainly and Clearly tells us what "His Commandments" are.
Do not listen to anyone who says "His Commandments" are something other than what Scriptures plainly teaches us.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is His Commandment, That we should 1) Believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) Love One Another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

i promise you, ANYONE who does those two things. ARE KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS. Woe to any person who teaches otherwise, they shall not escape the wrath of God when it comes upon the Earth.
^i^ ††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ ††† DiscipleDave

Hello Dave,

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

Let's have a look......................

What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.................

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer.....................

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James.......................

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word..............

Romans 13
8, Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)

So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what are talking about, God’s Law of Love is God's 10 commandments. It is only through Faith that works by love that anyone can walk in the Spirit which produces the fruit of obedience because love is the fulfilling of God’s Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight.

Now let's look at the CONTEXT of the scripture you quoted from 1 John 3:22. Lovely scripture by the way.

1 John 3:22
23, And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as he gave us commandment.

Now as we have seen above God's LAW (10 commandments) through LOVE is the fulfillment of God's LAW who have FAITH. Now is that the same for this scripture here in John?

Let's look at the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23...............
1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


So it looks like Jesus, James, Paul and John all agree together so it is unanimous that God's Law (10 commandments) are all tied to LOVE which is the power of God unto salvation through Faith. The FRUIT of FAITH is OBEDIENCE and the fulfilling of God's LAW in the hearts of those who walk by FAITH in the SPIRIT (Romans 8:1-4)

So my friend the FRUIT of FAITH is OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (10 commandments) If you have no FRUIT then you need to be aware that your tree will be CUT DOWN. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:26-27; 31)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Brother, if I have been set free by becoming united with Him in death, I am set free and no longer judged by Law. Romans 6-7.

We should remember the sabbath. Not because we are under law, not because we are under threat of condemnation - if we think this, we deny the gospel of what He has accomplished for us, and we neither believe Him nor obey Him. because it is Yah who sanctifies us, and we love Him. Whatever is not of faith is sin, and the one who considers every day alike does so to God - God, who justifies the ungodly by their faith in His death and resurrection.

Begun in the Spirit, we are not perfected by the flesh.

You may wish to consider that if break God's Law then you are still in your sins and you are indeed "UNDER the LAW" and you have not died or have been set free because you are still in your sins.

UNBELIEF will indeed keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM because if you are in UNBELIEF then you are still in your SINS and have not accepted the GIFT of God's dear son.

God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey him (Acts 5:32)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello posthuman,

some comments for you below in BLUE

For us, we are redeemed by death, and whoever has died is free from law and from sin.

If you are breaking God's commandments you are still in your SINS and have NOT seen HIM or KNOW him...

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Whether we keep feasts or sabbaths or diets is not our justification before God, Christ, and His perfection, is our righteousness by our faith in His finished work. therefore we must not let anyone judge us by any of these rudimentary things; it is by the Spirit we have been brought to peace with Him.

Acts 5
32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, WHOM GOD GIVES TO THOSE THAT OBEY HIM.

A Feast or fast or annual Holy day is a shadow pointing to Christ (Lev 23). God's 4th commandment on the other hand is one of the ten commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing SIN (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27).

I don't presume to know how God will judge people in their ignorance or their knowledge. All men know good from evil and He knows the heart of all men. But Messiah is clear when He speaks to the Pharisees and says they will be judged and condemned by Moses, as Moses is who they put their hope in, and we know that whoever does not believe is condemned already.

Well that is not true where does it say these people will be judged by Moses?

Where you quote from Romans, Paul is firmly establishing that all are condemned, Jew and Gentile alike. Salvation is through immersion into the death of Christ, and whoever has died, the Law no longer has any power over. There us therefore Now no more condemnation for those in Him, and we enter Him by belief, not by righteousness according to Law.

No one know they are sinners in need of salvation without God's LAW because it is the knowledge of Good and Evil and the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God's LAW is the knowledge of SIN. You have no LAW you have no KNOWLEDGE of SIN. You have no SIN you have no need of a Savior you have no Savior you have no Salvation so so continues the first lie spoken in the garden of Eden. You can eat the forbidden fruit you will not surely die....

No one is IN CHRIST if the are living a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[gb9]

what should we do? should we read the Bible in chronological order, in context, or just cut and paste verses to make it say what we want it to.? that is what the whole Sabbath for believers deception is. cut and paste.

 

[LoveGodForever]

what should we do? should we read the Bible in chronological order, in context, or just cut and paste verses to make it say what we want it to.? that is what the whole Sabbath for believers deception is. cut and paste.

Not at all it is called topical bible study precept upon precept here a little there a little. With prayer and guidance from the teacher that teaches those who follow him to discern spiritual things.

You will not find God's truth in the teachings of and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God and God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him

 

[LoveGodForever]

The main issue that i have observed in all these threads upon the Sabbath , thee members that partake on these post , in almost ever ocassion wrestle with one another , with either scripture or personal opinions. But let us all pull back for a bit on our defensive stance , and remind each other why , did He appointed His people this day for ??? What was the purpose of this day, was it created to praise Him , & if so please explain how is this being under the Law ???
To praise God Almight , on the day , He himself has ordained ???

Shalom

Yes indeed. Great point vic1980 what a blessing it is to follow him in LOVE because he first LOVED us. This is the NC for those who BELIEVE. Thanks for sharing.

May God bless you as you continue in His Word...

 

[gb9]

Not at all it is called topical bible study precept upon precept here a little there a little. With prayer and guidance from the teacher that teaches those who follow him to discern spiritual things.

You will not find God's truth in the teachings of and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God and God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him

if you one to do a topical Bible study, then you still need to use chronological order and context. just plucking out verses and writing your own opinions is false teaching. like Sabbath for believers. cobbled together.

 

[Beez]

what should we do? should we read the Bible in chronological order, in context, or just cut and paste verses to make it say what we want it to.? that is what the whole Sabbath for believers deception is. cut and paste.

Gb, I don't understand this post. I tried. Would you tell me how observing Sabbath is "cut and paste" while not observing Sabbath is "reading the Bible in chronological order"?

I just want your opinion; I am not interested in debating.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Gb, I don't understand this post. I tried. Would you tell me how observing Sabbath is "cut and paste" while not observing Sabbath is "reading the Bible in chronological order"?

I just want your opinion; I am not interested in debating.

It is actually code for I do not believe your scriptures even though all the scriptures posted on the website from everyone here are a cut a paste from the bible

 

[gb9]

what I am saying is this, for example - Romans is a letter that Paul wrote, so if you want to look at parts of it, that is fine. but we need to keep in mind it is a letter. it should be read as a letter.

also, chapters and verses were not added the Bible until 100's of years after it was assembled. for reference . not to chop it ino pieces and build theology around the pieces.

Sabbath is jewish, not Christian. we are saved by grace, through faith, for good works. not saved by Sabbath, through keeping the Sabbath, for grace to continue to keep the Sabbath.

so, that is my point.