GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Hizikyah

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You can try to make it whatever you wish, but the reality is that the Lord's supper is a sign of the new covenant in His blood.

No passover is ever mentioned in any letter to Churches.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]observe the festival” is word # G1858 - Heortazo, heortazo: I keep a feast, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: heortazo, Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo), Short Definition: I keep a feast, Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast[/FONT]
 

trofimus

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]observe the festival” is word # G1858 - Heortazo, heortazo: I keep a feast, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: heortazo, Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo), Short Definition: I keep a feast, Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast[/FONT]
You are right, its mentioned here, even though not in a literal meaning.


"Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough?
Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
 

Hizikyah

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1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."


observe the festival” is word # G1858 - Heortazo, heortazo: I keep a feast, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: heortazo, Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo), Short Definition: I keep a feast, Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast
You are right, its mentioned here, even though not in a literal meaning.


"Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough?
Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
It never means what it says....
 

posthuman

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"Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough?
Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch — as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
". . as you really are . ."

 

posthuman

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It never means what it says....

it means exactly what it says!
​- and Christ is the Lamb, and all of it must be eaten. belt fastened, shoes on, ready to leave - His blood on the frame of your door, so He will look with mercy and death will pass over you and your house. it says we are the bread, and that we are unleavened even if leaven is mixed with us. it says more than '
keep the feast' - it says be the feast - the new bread that He makes us, a side dish - while Christ is the main course! sit right there on the plate with Him!
 

posthuman

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where's the hyssop? we need hyssop

:D


 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:37-38, "On the Last day, that Great Day of the Feast; Yahshua stood and cried: If any man thirsts, let him come to Me, and drink! He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water!"[/FONT]
 

posthuman

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Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being,
And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Make me to hear joy and gladness,
Let the bones which You have broken rejoice!
Hide Your face from my sins
And blot out all my iniquities.

(Psalm 51:6-9)
 

Hizikyah

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Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being,
And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Make me to hear joy and gladness,
Let the bones which You have broken rejoice!
Hide Your face from my sins
And blot out all my iniquities.

(Psalm 51:6-9)
Psalms 51:10-14, "Create in me a clean heart, O Elohim, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Set-apart Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your deliverance, And uphold me, Noble Spirit! Let me teach transgressors Your ways, So that sinners turn back to You. Deliver me from blood-guilt, O Elohim, Elohim of my deliverance, Let my tongue sing aloud of Your righteousness."
 

bafa

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on my Sabbath part i was taught of using common sense every 7th day including everydays. Sabbath days is very special to me though we don't know the exact day of Sabbath but there's always the 7th day to base on to.
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” says [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”[/FONT]
 

Hizikyah

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on my Sabbath part i was taught of using common sense every 7th day including everydays. Sabbath days is very special to me though we don't know the exact day of Sabbath but there's always the 7th day to base on to.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 36:7, How precious is Your lovingkindness, O Yah! And the children of men take refuge in the shadow of Your wings."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]
 
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on my Sabbath part i was taught of using common sense every 7th day including everydays. Sabbath days is very special to me though we don't know the exact day of Sabbath but there's always the 7th day to base on to.
Welcome bafa,

No need to worry, the Sabbath has never been lost (still sunset Friday to sunset Saturday). It is a special day indeed and a delight to those that love Jesus

Isaiah 58
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shalt honor him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

God bless you sister as you continue to seek him through His Word
 
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You are being ridiculous. It is and was a shadow
Then please by all means disprove the OP and harmonize the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation. If you cannot it seems you are building on sifting sand and great will be the fall of your house.
 
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"Therefore do not let anyone judge you [NOW!!] by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."
Col 2:16
You seem to be repeating the same thing over and over without even attempting to address the 200+ scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of God's Word. Just saying the moon is blue the moon is blue when it is white will not make the moon blue. If you believe the OP is not right please by all means prove it with scripture. If you cannot you should at least consider why God's Word is in contradiction to your interpretation.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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Probably not based on this one verse. But your inclination to old laws and judaism can be proved wrong by many other places, mainly in Galatians and Hebrews.
It is those that are living a life of unrepentant sin that will keep you out of God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27). Sin is the transgression of God's Law (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). If we break one of the 10 commandments we stand before God guilt in sin and need to seek him for forgiveness through repentance and confession (James 2:8-12; 1 John 1:9; Proverbs 28:13). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we knowingly break it just like any one of the ten we commit sin.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

DiscipleDave

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COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 PART 1/2 THE REAL TRUTH

The above scripture is used by the “many” to distance themselves from Gods weekly Sabbath day of the 4th commandment. This is for those that may be interested in learning the real meaning of the scriptures and not that of those leading others to break the commandments of God to follow the traditions and teachings of man over the Word of God. So, what is Col. 2{16} really talking about.?

The Word of God teaches His Commandments are to Believe in Jesus and to Love One Another.
You say His Commandments are the 10 Commandments God gave to Israel to follow and obey.
So then if i take your advise above and believe the Word of God and not the word of men, then i would have to believe "His Commandments" are to 1) Believe in Jesus and 2) Love One another.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is His Commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) Love One Another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

ANYONE who teaches His Commandments are different than what the above Word of God plainly teaches His Commandments are, is deceived by the wicked one, and teach things contrary to Scriptures. (please note, i am not talking to the OP, but to everyone)

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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The Word of God teaches His Commandments are to Believe in Jesus and to Love One Another.
You say His Commandments are the 10 Commandments God gave to Israel to follow and obey.
So then if i take your advise above and believe the Word of God and not the word of men, then i would have to believe "His Commandments" are to 1) Believe in Jesus and 2) Love One another.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is His Commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) Love One Another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

ANYONE who teaches His Commandments are different than what the above Word of God plainly teaches His Commandments are, is deceived by the wicked one, and teach things contrary to Scriptures. (please note, i am not talking to the OP, but to everyone)
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
Yes you cannot separate God's Law from Love that is why it is written on these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40). That is why Jesus says; If you love me keep my commandments