GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

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THE FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN >>> IS THE FALSE GOSPEL TODAY

Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3 (this may be too long a study but let's try and make it shorter there are a lot of conencting scripture which I may add a few here only)

Let's start here with the father of lies......

John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.

The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.

links to...........

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

links to...........

1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do; John 8:44)

The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....

Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)

3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.

4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)

5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DISOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>

6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172;>

The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >

8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE. Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment NOT TO EAT the FRUIT lest you DIE is UNBELIEF in God's WORD.

THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.

SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dan_473]

so, LGF (or anyone) what shall we do when we read the same scripture and honestly think it means different things?

how can we be of one mind?

 

[Studyman]

so, LGF (or anyone) what shall we do when we read the same scripture and honestly think it means different things?

how can we be of one mind?

You only need to be of one mind with Jesus. When a person is willing to lose all that they know, pick up their life experiences and follow Jesus, denying the natural desire to defend a lifestyle or religion we were born into. That is the start. But to try and be of one mind with religious doctrines that change with the wind is confusion, Babylon. This is the reason for so much disagreement. People are more interested in self justification, in defending their own family religion or tradition, than actually "working" to prove what is that perfect Will of God.

When a person does this he becomes of one mind with Abraham, Caleb, David, Stephen, Peter and everyone else who is part of the Body of Christ. This also helps to keep us from being deceived by the "many" who come in Christ's Name. It is a strange and foreign path with few on it. But like Jesus says.


John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Then, as it is written: "then you shall know that I am the Lord your God".

 

[LoveGodForever]

so, LGF (or anyone) what shall we do when we read the same scripture and honestly think it means different things? how can we be of one mind?

You only need to be of one mind with Jesus. When a person is willing to lose all that they know, pick up their life experiences and follow Jesus, denying the natural desire to defend a lifestyle or religion we were born into. That is the start. But to try and be of one mind with religious doctrines that change with the wind is confusion, Babylon. This is the reason for so much disagreement. People are more interested in self justification, in defending their own family religion or tradition, than actually "working" to prove what is that perfect Will of God.

When a person does this he becomes of one mind with Abraham, Caleb, David, Stephen, Peter and everyone else who is part of the Body of Christ. This also helps to keep us from being deceived by the "many" who come in Christ's Name. It is a strange and foreign path with few on it. But like Jesus says.


John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Then, as it is written: "then you shall know that I am the Lord your God".

Hi guys, this is a good reply from Studyman. Dan it would be nice to think that everyone will come into the unity of the faith but the scriptures tell us in the last day there will be many false teachers and every wind of doctrine to deceive if possible God's very elect.

The only way for anyone to know God's truth is if they turn their back to the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and seek Jesus to teach them his WORD. This is the NEW COVENANT promise of God wanting to be our teacher (Hebrews 8:10-12) Only those who seek Jesus for his truth through prayer and bible study will KNOW God's truth and ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it will see God's KINGDOM.

Only God's WORD is true and we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW IT and SEEK it as hidded treasure asking Jesus to be our guide.

SIN will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Teaching that keeping the seventh day Sabbath is binding on Christians under the New Covenant and is absolutely necessary for salvation is a major false doctrine!

The false Gospel is one that says we can be saved while breaking the Commandments of God and living a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

This is the devils Gospel shared with EVE in the Garden of Edan. God's says if you break his Commandments you will surely die.

The devil says; You will NOT surely die but be as God knowing Good and Evil.

If you BELIEVE that you can continue in SIN and still be saved you are not BELIEVING God's WORD but the lies spoken of in the Garden of Edan by the father of lies.

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in it OUT of God's KINGDOM. Who do you BELIEVE. God or the Devil?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dan_473]

You only need to be of one mind with Jesus. When a person is willing to lose all that they know, pick up their life experiences and follow Jesus, denying the natural desire to defend a lifestyle or religion we were born into. That is the start. But to try and be of one mind with religious doctrines that change with the wind is confusion, Babylon. This is the reason for so much disagreement. People are more interested in self justification, in defending their own family religion or tradition, than actually "working" to prove what is that perfect Will of God.

When a person does this he becomes of one mind with Abraham, Caleb, David, Stephen, Peter and everyone else who is part of the Body of Christ. This also helps to keep us from being deceived by the "many" who come in Christ's Name. It is a strange and foreign path with few on it. But like Jesus says.


John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Then, as it is written: "then you shall know that I am the Lord your God".

i think both Peter and Paul encourage us to be of one mind with other believers, members of the body of Christ

we know that divisions within the body are bad

 

[Dan_473]

Hi guys, this is a good reply from Studyman. Dan it would be nice to think that everyone will come into the unity of the faith but the scriptures tell us in the last day there will be many false teachers and every wind of doctrine to deceive if possible God's very elect.

The only way for anyone to know God's truth is if they turn their back to the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and seek Jesus to teach them his WORD. This is the NEW COVENANT promise of God wanting to be our teacher (Hebrews 8:10-12) Only those who seek Jesus for his truth through prayer and bible study will KNOW God's truth and ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it will see God's KINGDOM.

Only God's WORD is true and we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW IT and SEEK it as hidded treasure asking Jesus to be our guide.

SIN will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

is it ok to have divisions in the body then?

do you consider me to be a member of the body?

shall i consider someone else not a member if they read a scripture and think it means something different from what i do?

 

[LoveGodForever]

is it ok to have divisions in the body then?

do you consider me to be a member of the body?

shall i consider someone else not a member if they read a scripture and think it means something different from what i do?

For me Dan I believe God has his people in all the different Churches that are living up to all the light (knowledge of God's truth) that God has given them. It is not until God gives someone a KNOWLEDGE of the truth and a person rejects God's Word that they become an UNBELIEVER. We know UNBELIEVER have no part in God's KINGDOM.

Those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are his people but as mentioned earlier there are many false Gospels out there.

Jesus says...

John 10:16.
I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd

Why?

John 4
22, You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23, But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God has people in the fallen churches that are teaching false doctrines and is calling them out to worship him in Spirit and in truth...

Revelation 18
1, And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2, And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3, For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4, And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.
5, For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

God's sheep will hear his voice (the Word of God) Many are called but few will be chosen.

There will be unity of the faith in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. There will be no unity with those that are teaching another Gospel and those believing and following the Word of God.

Eph 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ

Those teaching that you can live a life of CONTINUED UNREPENTANT SIN will not see God's KINGDOM neither do they KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dan_473]

For me Dan I believe God has his people in all the different Churches that are living up to all the light (knowledge of God's truth) that God has given them. It is not until God gives someone a KNOWLEDGE of the truth and a person rejects God's Word that they become an UNBELIEVER. We know UNBELIEVER have no part in God's KINGDOM.

Those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are his people but as mentioned earlier there are many false Gospels out there.

Jesus says...

John 10:16.
I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd

Why?

John 4
22, You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23, But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God has people in the fallen churches that are teaching false doctrines and is calling them out to worship him in Spirit and in truth...

Revelation 18
1, And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2, And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3, For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4, And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.
5, For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

God's sheep will hear his voice (the Word of God) Many are called but few will be chosen.

There will be unity of the faith in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. There will be no unity with those that are teaching another Gospel and those believing and following the Word of God.

Eph 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ

Those teaching that you can live a life of CONTINUED UNREPENTANT SIN will not see God's KINGDOM neither do they KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

if God gives different people different amounts of light

how do you know if you're one of the ones with a lot of light, and thus able to see the truth in the scriptures?


i have carefully looked at all the scriptures you've posted, and I'm fully convinced i have the right understanding of them

i can accept that you are fully convinced,can you accept that i am?

 

[LoveGodForever]

if God gives different people different amounts of light
how do you know if you're one of the ones with a lot of light, and thus able to see the truth in the scriptures?
i have carefully looked at all the scriptures you've posted, and I'm fully convinced i have the right understanding of them
i can accept that you are fully convinced,can you accept that i am?

Good question Dan,

It is only through seeking the truth through Jesus, asking him and searching for it that anyone can know God's truth. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. You will not find God's truth by seeking for it through man or the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God. You must seek it for yourself asking Jesus what his truth is or you will NEVER find it.

However if you do the above God promises...

John 14:26
26, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

John 16:13
13, However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

John 7:17
17, If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 8
31, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
32, And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. (free from what? >SIN)

Jeremaiah 29:13
And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart.


HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.



Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dan_473]

Good question Dan,

It is only through seeking the truth through Jesus, asking him and searching for it that anyone can know God's truth. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. You will not find God's truth by seeking for it through man or the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God. You must seek it for yourself asking Jesus what his truth is or you will NEVER find it.

However if you do the above God promises...

John 14:26
26, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

John 16:13
13, However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

John 7:17
17, If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 8
31, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
32, And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. (free from what? >SIN)

Jeremaiah 29:13
And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart.


HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.



Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

"However if you do the above God promises..."

right, and i do. i can accept that you do. can you accept that i do?

 

[gb9]

Good question Dan,

It is only through seeking the truth through Jesus, asking him and searching for it that anyone can know God's truth. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. You will not find God's truth by seeking for it through man or the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God. You must seek it for yourself asking Jesus what his truth is or you will NEVER find it.

However if you do the above God promises...

John 14:26
26, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

John 16:13
13, However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

John 7:17
17, If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 8
31, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
32, And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. (free from what? >SIN)

Jeremaiah 29:13
And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart.


HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.



Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

1st John , John was not talking about the Sabbath, the commands He was speaking of were believe in the name of the Son, and love one another. same guy, same letter.

 

[LoveGodForever]

"However if you do the above God promises..."

right, and i do. i can accept that you do. can you accept that i do?

Hi Dan,

It is not for me to judge another. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. God says judge RIGHTESOUS Judgement. None of us are good only God is good and only God's judgement (His Word) is RIGHTEOUS

God's Word very clearly describes who his people are and who his people are not. Those that through FAITH BELIEVE and OBEY (Follow) God's Word are his people.

Those who break God's Commandments and live in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not KNOW God and are NOT his people.

If you are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word then you are his people. This is between you and God.

God's Word tells us if we are following him or not and if we KNOW God.

God's Word is very clear on who his people are as shown earlier; We need to judge righteous judgement (according to the Word of God).....

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.


Romans 6

1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that GRACE may abound? GOD FORBID. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

This is why Jesus says; IF you LOVE me KEEP my Commandments (John 14:15)

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[SavdbyGracethtwrks]

YAHWEH does not change neither do his standards, Yahushua has been the WORD since the beginning, therefore he was the one speaking for YAHWEH from Mt. Sinai. He has been YAHWEH' s visible image, because according to scripture NO ONE has seen YAHWEH. Who were the people seeing than in the "old testament" but Yahushua about HIS father's business. Scripture also states Yahushua is the same Yesterday, today and forever, How did the standards set then change then? THEY HAVE NOT! it's fairly simple.
Yahweh called out a people unto his name, These people were NOT supposed to adopt the practices of other nations, but instead be a LIGHT to the world, and SHARE the TRUTH with anyone willing to listen. The Truth is Mankind has always had a choice, since the beginning. Two choices are set before us- Obey or disobey. For Him or against Him. The Son did not come to do away with ANYTHING the Father commanded through the Son's own mouth, but to teach us the right way to walk it out. If he truly lives in us, how do we walk contrary to the way He himself walked?

 

[TMS]

Yes,- the answers are all found in Jesus. He is our righteousness, And He Will give us the victory over sin, and He will give us immortality at His second coming. Justification, Sanctification and Glorification are all by and from JESUS. so we can not boast in our works or do it without Him but we do need to choose to let Jesus work in us. Faith is important but if it isn't followed with the fruits of righteousness than it never became a saving saith.
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Christ in you which worketh mightily. When we have Christ in us all the time, we will walk like Christ all the time, and Christ was perfect all the time.

I'm not saying you need to be perfect to be saved. I'm saying that this should be our aim, and if we all have the same Christ walking in us we will be united.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Certain Sabbatarians (especially SDA's) like to challenge, "find one verse in the Bible that shows the day of worship has been changed from Sabbath to Sunday."

Brother Dan, when I keep the Sabbath, it is not because I expect a high five from God or a pat on the back from my fellow Christians. I can see God rested the seventh day, I know He did not rest because He was tired so I can see there must be something deeper.

Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath and the law to the last word. His disciples and people like Paul also kept it. If I am a follower of Jesus I would want to do what He did and therefore because I love Him, me and my family try to keep the Sabbath as best we can. Do we fail? Yes of course but I trust God to grow in something I have never done before.

To argue about this is silly. We have over 5000 post on this thread alone because people are arguing back and forth about "to keep or not to keep". If you are convinced in your heart of hearts not to do it, so be it.

God bless friend
Danie

 

[TMS]

i see three ways to look at this and i know people will say there is more but the bible tells me what is balanced and true and i'll state what is the two other extreems

Extreem 1. - To believe that Jesus has died for my sins, so i'm free to transgress the law, and His grace will continue to cover my mistakes.

Extreem 2. - I need to keep the law and prove that i'm fit for heaven by earning it.

Balanced. - I Love the Lord and have faith that His ways are the best for me so i surrender to Him and aim to obey His Law. Knowing i can't do it i ask that He transforms me.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[PS]

Brother Dan, when I keep the Sabbath, it is not because I expect a high five from God or a pat on the back from my fellow Christians. I can see God rested the seventh day, I know He did not rest because He was tired so I can see there must be something deeper.

Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath and the law to the last word. His disciples and people like Paul also kept it. If I am a follower of Jesus I would want to do what He did and therefore because I love Him, me and my family try to keep the Sabbath as best we can. Do we fail? Yes of course but I trust God to grow in something I have never done before.

To argue about this is silly. We have over 5000 post on this thread alone because people are arguing back and forth about "to keep or not to keep". If you are convinced in your heart of hearts not to do it, so be it.

God bless friend
Danie

Jesus and the apostles kept the Jewish Sabbath while ever the law was in place, after that it became optional. Gentiles never kept the Jewish Sabbath, neither were they required to after they became Christians. As you say, the whole thing is a nonsense and it needs for people to stop banging their big drum.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Gentiles never kept the Jewish Sabbath, neither were they required to after they became Christians. As you say, the whole thing is a nonsense and it needs for people to stop banging their big drum.

Seems God's Word disagrees with you. The Apostles kept God's Sabbath with the gentiles.

Acts 13
42, And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles sought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43, Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44, And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

and again the controversy of Circumcision for salvation for gentile believers...

Acts 15
1 , A nd certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brothers, and said, Except you be circumcised after the manner of Moses, you cannot be saved.

Outcome...

19, Why my sentence is, that we trouble not them <v1, Mosaic laws for circumcision in order to be saved>, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God <New gentile believers>:
20, But that we write to them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. <Why this decision?>
21, For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
22, Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brothers:
23, And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brothers send greeting to the brothers which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24, For as much as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, You must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment.

New Gentile believers were NOT required to follow Mosaic laws for circumcised but they were required to learn God's laws and keep the Sabbath...

Acts 17
2, And Paul, as his manner was, went in to them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
3, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach to you, is Christ.
4, And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

Acts 18
4, And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. Sin is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7). Those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in SIN will NOT Enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.....................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[lightbearer]

Originally Posted by lightbearer

No mention of any of the Ten Commandments. These are all from the Book of the Law (The Book of Moses). The Ten Commandments are not in question here. According to the context of the chapter Circumcision and the Book of the Law are.
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For (because) Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

(Act 15:20-21)


A few things should be noted from the above text. First and foremost, the new converts are being commanded to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.



These Laws are Dietary health and Moral laws from the Book of the Law (Moses).


Second thing to note is verse 21 starts with the word "for". This word means that what comes after it is the reason for what was previously stated.


In other words let's not over burden them. Tell them for now to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. They will get the rest, because (for) Moses (the Book of the Law) is read every Sabbath Day in the synagogues where and when they meet.




If any thing these verses prove they were meeting on and therefore keeping the Sabbath and that some of the Laws from the Book of the Law are still part of a Christian's life through the indwelling Christ

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THE NINE "MORAL" COMMANDS OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE REITERATED in the New Testament:​

1. To worship the Lord God only (1st commandment): no less than 50 times
2. Idolatry (2nd commandment): condemned 12 times
3. Profanity (3rd commandment): condemned 4 times
4. Honoring parents (5th commandment) is taught 6 times
5. Murder (6th commandment) condemned 6 times
6. Adultery (7th commandment) condemned 12 times
7. Theft (8th commandment) condemned 4 times
8. False Witness (9th commandment) condemned 4 times
9. Covetousness (10th commandment) condemned 9 times

Why is it that keeping the seventh day as Sabbath is not commanded or a failure to keep the Sabbath is condemned as sin once in the New Testament?

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
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So your answer to the post is not to address the points of the post? There is no argument so I will not fault you in that.
So with you now understanding or at the very least seeing the Light that was shared to you in the post you responded to in relation to Acts 15; you now want to discuss, what?

Colossians? Hebrews?

I suggest one at a time. So which first?