GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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which of the 10 did the rich man break to end up in hell ? when Jesus told the parable in Luke 16, which command did he cite that the rich man broke?
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

Jesus did not rebuke the rich man when he said he has observed the commandments from youth,and was showing him the way to gain access to heaven,spiritual salvation the New Testament.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(money,material things,wants): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil(for it neglects the poor and needy which love of people is the fulfilling of the law): which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works(loving people), is dead, being alone.

1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

The rich man broke the commandment of love towards people that he did not care that they were hungry and not clothed.

Sure he did not steal from them,and have sex with their wife,and honored his parents,but he did not care about the poor and needy for he cared more about his money,and material things,and therefore could not have access to heaven,for Jesus plainly stated sell all you have and give to the poor,but he went away and did not want to sell his possessions,for he did not believe that he had to do that to be right with God,for who cares about money,and material things,that they would rather have that than go to heaven,but they believe it is alright with God.

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Back in the day among a lot of the saints.

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

Today among a lot of saints.
 

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Very good.
So Jesus being born, as the scripture prophesied, and has been fulfilled, no need for another Messiah to be born as you pointed out. Has all scripture regarding the Christ been fulfilled? He was killed, that is another prophesy fulfilled. He won't have to be killed again, He fulfilled that which is spoken of by the Prophets.

What about the Prophesy of His Return? Will Jesus carry this prophesy out as well?
Jesus hasn't yet carried out the prophecies of his physical return.
 

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Matthew 7: 11. If you, then, being evil, are able to give good things to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who make requests to him? 12. All those things, then, which you would have men do to you, even so do you to them: because this is the law and the prophets. - Bible Offline
 

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Matthew 7: 11. If you, then, being evil, are able to give good things to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who make requests to him? 12. All those things, then, which you would have men do to you, even so do you to them: because this is the law and the prophets. - Bible Offline
Are we to listen to all the Words of Jesus and give them the same weight. Or can we judge one of His sentences as worthy of our respect and others less worthy of our respect. So far we have been in agreement on everything. ????????????
 
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Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Yes this is what the OP is about did you want to address all the scriptures in the OP here that disagree with your interpretation of these scriptures? Simply stating the scriptures the OP is discussing does not address the OP and the scriptures in them that disagree with you.
 
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This simply means that God does NOT show favoritism based on ethnicity, gender or station in life. It does NOT mean that differences do not exist.

Any man who has ever seen a woman undressed can tell you that there really is a difference.

Likewise there are still linguistic and cultural differences between ethnic groups. As God does not play favorites; we likewise should not harbor ethnic prejudices.


God may not play favorites with ethnicity or race, However Sin is whole different story,
God cares not about what we look like but what's In our heart.


1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
 
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God may not play favorites with ethnicity or race, However Sin is whole different story,
God cares not about what we look like but what's In our heart.


1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
Curse Of The Law part 1 (Learning something from LGF here, xD, i'm 17 just turned 2 weeks ago so please read this whole thing even if I'm wrong, Give me a chance..

And what is sin?

1 JOHN 3

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Look at verse 8 specially which basically explains Romans 6,
Romans 6 is completely talking about the Ten Commandments and correlating it with other things as the bible often does,
First through, Let's go to Galatians 3
Gal 10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

First off, What's the curse of the law?
Well.. Death

Ezekiel 18:2

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Genesis 2

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded (Oh a word that is apparently a burden, and bondage is in a perfect environment, Back to that later) the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So what is the curse "of the" law, Not the law is a curse, No, the curse OF THE law, so that means the Law has a curse, But the law itself isn't a curse (Romans 7:7) So the curse OF THE law is death, but that curse has a condition, It only activates if the law is broken, The law existed before Adam and Eve, even if you don't want to accept the Ten, God's word is law (Pslam 33:9) So whatever he commands must stand and must be done otherwise death will be the result God, Everything else is unhappinest and death, destruction sadness, fear, and this world, The Ten, and whatever else God commands to do are the same, they may have different purposes however.

Anyway, since we get that, we must understand what the law is even for, Well, To show us we've sinned, The law is like a mirror to show us what we've done wrong, But once Christ comes into our lives the law isn't needed.

1 Timothy 8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

If you come under Christ, and God forgives your sin, at that moment are no longer under the law, it has no reason to activate, God has forgiven you, If you do away with the law itself, and not the curse Then All the evil men and women (Including us) are justified to sin, Because sin is the transgression of the law, That can't be, so it must be more.... The law isn't done away with, Our sins are.....


Part two should be coming soon, Godbless and please understand this isn't to attack anyway, But I want us to make it, something we all need to keep in mind, This is about God, not us, if we end up being wrong we should glorify God and be thankful that we have hope, Something I must consider, and so do LGF, and everyone, Not hating, Trying to serve God and JESUS the Holy Spirit.....

Godbless.
 
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Curse Of The Law part 1 (Learning something from LGF here, xD, i'm 17 just turned 2 weeks ago so please read this whole thing even if I'm wrong, Give me a chance..

And what is sin?

1 JOHN 3

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Look at verse 8 specially which basically explains Romans 6,
Romans 6 is completely talking about the Ten Commandments and correlating it with other things as the bible often does,
First through, Let's go to Galatians 3
Gal 10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

First off, What's the curse of the law?
Well.. Death

Ezekiel 18:2

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Genesis 2

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded (Oh a word that is apparently a burden, and bondage is in a perfect environment, Back to that later) the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So what is the curse "of the" law, Not the law is a curse, No, the curse OF THE law, so that means the Law has a curse, But the law itself isn't a curse (Romans 7:7) So the curse OF THE law is death, but that curse has a condition, It only activates if the law is broken, The law existed before Adam and Eve, even if you don't want to accept the Ten, God's word is law (Pslam 33:9) So whatever he commands must stand and must be done otherwise death will be the result God, Everything else is unhappinest and death, destruction sadness, fear, and this world, The Ten, and whatever else God commands to do are the same, they may have different purposes however.

Anyway, since we get that, we must understand what the law is even for, Well, To show us we've sinned, The law is like a mirror to show us what we've done wrong, But once Christ comes into our lives the law isn't needed.

1 Timothy 8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

If you come under Christ, and God forgives your sin, at that moment are no longer under the law, it has no reason to activate, God has forgiven you, If you do away with the law itself, and not the curse Then All the evil men and women (Including us) are justified to sin, Because sin is the transgression of the law, That can't be, so it must be more.... The law isn't done away with, Our sins are.....


Part two should be coming soon, Godbless and please understand this isn't to attack anyway, But I want us to make it, something we all need to keep in mind, This is about God, not us, if we end up being wrong we should glorify God and be thankful that we have hope, Something I must consider, and so do LGF, and everyone, Not hating, Trying to serve God and JESUS the Holy Spirit.....

Godbless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=965qLhB8mhg (Pray this song may be a blessing to you)

Once again, I'm 17 just turned 2 weeks ago, please try to read this all the way through even if I'm wrong, Give this teen a chance, gonna work in the ministry one day, if that's God's will, Thank You.

Curse of The Law part 2


Now Romans 6.

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

People seem to always skip the whole chapter of this Book, Romans 6 is really interesting tbh, It's talking about how we can be freed from Sin, Letting self die, and letting us be resurrected in newness of life in Christ as he was resurrecting, Being BORN AGAIN.

4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
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So wait, if we die with Christ were free from Sin? what a beautiful Idea, that we no longer have to serve the devil, and that we have hope of resurrection in Christ, But wait, if were free from sin, then what, were no longer under the law, if God takes away our sin and cast it into the bottomless pit Micah 7:19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
Then there is no curse of the law, Because what is the definition of Sin? Transgression of the law, Not according to me, but 1 John 3:4-5
Don't try to say I twisted the scriptures in anyway, Because that's Johns writtens not mine, He said it plainly fight with him, and fight with God because it all came from him originally,

Now let's continue Romans 6.

8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. (What is the curse of the law as stated earlier? Well Death) 10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

two deaths are mentioned here, One dying to Sin, the other dying physically, and dying the second death, The one we wont come back from, and lastly it talks about Living unto Christ, Paul brings everything out perfectly, No more sin, No more Death, and through Christ you live, We have hope, God forgave our sins, What need is for us to worry about death?

Now for the kicker that people use to discount the law.

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Wait a moment, what does it say "Sin shall not have dominion over you" Once sin is gone, The is inactive as stated before, Now does that mean we can just go and kill someone now, or break the law, No, we must die daily as Paul brought out.

1 Corinthians 15:3

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Once we come to Christ, ask forgiveness and he will give it.


1 John 1

5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


If you say we can't keep the law, which we can't on our own power, But if we ask, God will grant us the power, He said so..
John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Do you doubt him? do we doubt him? Are you saying Sins so powerful God can't help us to overcome it? No, No way, God has the power to set us free, That's the reason Jesus came to this earth..

Luke 4
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


We have the power to overcome sin, and the grave, and even the law, because we no longer need it, Not that it's not important, It still stands, Just not for the ones that overcome, and Blessed are they that do..

Revelation 3:21

3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels

I must ask you, what Gospel do you preach that you seem to always talk about? Is it one where we can't overcome sin? what is that Jesus/God wants us to overcome? Is it sin? you know that to be true, But how can be even know what sin is without the law, or how can we overcome something that God just gave us a solution for by dying, And he did, But it was through his love, Not magical "Grace" that word itself doesn't save us, Nor does law, But the blood of the lamb, None of that takes away grace or the law, But Jesus is the one we must look to most of all, we haven't been telling you the Sabbath is more important then God and his lamb, But that unless you confess your sins (transgression of the law) then how can you even come to Christ, first you must know your sinning, Do you think we do this just to make people worship on a day? what's the point of that, The day can't save, Nor can the law, But without the schoolmaster and the teacher how can we pass the test?

we do we get out of being legalistic? if not to save souls, and bring him to full knowledge of truth.



Matthew

26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
30And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.


Jesus blood may save us from sin, But if we have no idea were committing a sin, How can we be forgiven? if you had no knewlege then fine, God will wink as LGF has said, but if truth has been presented, and you reject even the principal of reading it, Then that sin falls upon you, Don't make that mistake, and neither should I, I know haven't read all these post from both sides, I usually skip through them, But I am held accountable for that if truth was shared and I decided to turn a blind eye to it because I was bias.

Let's end this.


Romans 6
15What then? shall we sin (transgression of the law), because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin (Not the law, but Sin), and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin (transgression of the law) is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Once again, what was said, that "whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

To obey, the very essence of this chapter that people state means we can't keep the law, is telling us to obey, something we shouldn't be able to keep,

GodBless You, I pray this helped you understand our point of view, please show me what you see, But I beg you, use the bible and the holy spirit and not your own understanding, In the end were trying to make it to Heaven, let's remember that, this isn't about us, It's about Jesus....
And if WE love him, Keep his commandments, all of them...

 
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Typo and explanations.

Made some mistakes and I think I clear them up considering how important this is,

first off.
Then there is no curse of the law, Because what is the definition of Sin? Transgression of the law, Not according to me, but 1 John 3:4-5
When I said this I was referring to the what I said above, How once sin is taken away, we no longer are under the curse, not that the curse didn't exist in the first place, It's late and I've very tired soo yeah xD.


two deaths are mentioned here, One dying to Sin, the other dying physically, and dying the second death, The one we wont come back from, and lastly it talks about Living unto Christ, Paul brings everything out perfectly, No more sin, No more Death, and through Christ you live, We have hope, God forgave our sins, What need is for us to worry about death?
It almost looked like I added another death, But the second death, and physically death I meant together (Cause there the same thing in a way) I seem to like putting lots of commons in my sentences for some reason I think it may have been confusing here.

We have the power to overcome sin, and the grave, and even the law, because we no longer need it, Not that it's not important, It still stands, Just not for the ones that overcome, and Blessed are they that do..
We don't have the power on our own, Only through Jesus Christ, However I feel people would figure what I meant, But if not here ya go.


I must ask you, what Gospel do you preach that you seem to always talk about? Is it one where we can't overcome sin? what is that Jesus/God wants us to overcome? Is it sin? you know that to be true, But how can be even know what sin is without the law, or how can we overcome something that God just gave us a solution for by dying, And he did, But it was through his love, Not magical "Grace" that word itself doesn't save us, Nor does law, But the blood of the lamb, None of that takes away grace or the law, But Jesus is the one we must look to most of all,

My thoughts got mixed up here, and diverged where I was originally gonna go, But I said "How can we overcome that God just gave us a solution by dying"

I was gonna go a whole different direction with this but I thought it sounded like I was saying the dying of Christ was a quick fix, But what I trying to bring out is, People seem to think that Christ dying alone just means we don't need the law anymore, or to worry about sinning, but it's bigger then that, The death alone means something, However it means we have hope to overcome as he did, and to be resurrected, He died without sin, so can we, It's not just "He Died" now all my problems solved miracle cure, No more worrying about if I'm doing wrong, I can now do whatever just because he died" It's now that he died he's given us hope to overcome as he did Hebrews 4:15. which I tried to bring out later, How the word "grace" itself doesn't save us, we must give our hearts to God, and be born again, His blood takes away our sin, But this isn't magic that instantly takes away all our problems, anyway excuse me for my mistakes I pray you.

we do we get out of being legalistic? if not to save souls, and bring him to full knowledge of truth.
Meant "What" not "we" Sorry xD, it's really late.

To obey, the very essence of this chapter that people state means we can't keep the law, is telling us to obey, something we shouldn't be able to keep,

The ending of it "Something we shouldn't be able to keep" according to people who believe we can't keep it, Which Jesus basically deproves, Because he kept it just fine, It was struggle, but he did it, Through him, why can't we.
 

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Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
If some people prefer the shadows to the reality, who are we to object? The problem arises when the shadow-lovers insist that they are on the right track. The SDAs have some things right and some things wrong. But equating Michael the Archangel with Christ is a very serious error. Also teaching that the finished work of Christ was not actually finished at the cross and in His resurrection.
 
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The most Christian in the world has break God commandments specially the one that God says remember. But the all have forget it. And God knows they will forget it. That's why He said: "REMEMBER"
 
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My friend maybe you don't know what "ARCHANGEL" MEANS? That name means CHIEF of the angels. Go back to joseph when he saw a man standing next him. And see what the man answered Joseph.
 
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Certain Sabbatarians (especially SDA's) like to challenge, "find one verse in the Bible that shows the day of worship has been changed from Sabbath to Sunday."
Here is some more questions for you to pray about...

Where does it say in God's WORD?

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

If you cannot answer any of the above, who should we obey God or man? Something to seriously pray about my dear friends.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we brake any of God's commandments it is showing we do not LOVE God or our fellow man...

Thie is why Jesus says....... If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15;15:10)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
 

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You are a little mixed up here Dan. As Studyman has pointed out already there are two great commandments of LOVE not one. They have their origin from the Old testament scriptures which Jesus was quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18. Jesus was showing the rich youg ruler that although he may have been keeping the 2nd of loving thy neighbor he was disobeing the first of loving God.

Matthew 22
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Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38,
This is the FIRST and great commandment.
39, And the SECOND is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS (Jesus is quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)

this links to...

Matthew 19
16,
And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
18, He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
19, Honor your father and your mother: and, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

20, The young man said to him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21, Jesus said to him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22, But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Dont make the same mistake as the rich young ruler and forget about your duty of LOVE to God. SIN is the breaking of God's commandments. SIN will keep ALL those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
how is it then that the second fulfills the entire law?

related to
Ezekiel 37: 4. And again he said to me, Be a prophet to these bones, and say to them, O you dry bones, give ear to the word of the Lord. 5. This is what the Lord has said to these bones: See, I will make breath come into you so that you may come to life; 6. And I will put muscles on you and make flesh come on you, and put skin over you, and breath into you, so that you may have life; and you will be certain that I am the Lord.
 

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Here is some more questions for you to pray about...

Where does it say in God's WORD?

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

If you cannot answer any of the above, who should we obey God or man? Something to seriously pray about my dear friends.

...........................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we brake any of God's commandments it is showing we do not LOVE God or our fellow man...

Thie is why Jesus says....... If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15;15:10)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
you have stated many times - sin is command breaking. which of the 10 did the rich man in Luke 16, the story of lazurus the beggar, which command did he break to end up in hell? when Jesus told the parable, which command did he cite that the rich man broke?
 
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how is it then that the second fulfills the entire law?

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Ezekiel 37: 4. And again he said to me, Be a prophet to these bones, and say to them, O you dry bones, give ear to the word of the Lord. 5. This is what the Lord has said to these bones: See, I will make breath come into you so that you may come to life; 6. And I will put muscles on you and make flesh come on you, and put skin over you, and breath into you, so that you may have life; and you will be certain that I am the Lord.
The second does not fulffill the entire law only your duty of LOVE to your neighbor. It fulfills the second great commandment of LOVE. The first fulfills your duty of LOVE to God.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS (Matt 22:40)

Matthew 22
36,
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38,
This is the FIRST and great commandment.
39, And the SECOND is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS (Jesus is quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)

1. The FIRST Great Commandment; You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. If you LOVE GOD you will fulfill the first 4 commandments.

1.
Thou shalt not have any other Gods (Exodus 20:3)
2.
Thou shalt not make any Idols or worship them. (Exodus 20: 4-5)
3.
Thou shalt not use the Lords name in Vain. (Exodus 20: 7)
4.
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy (Exodus 20:8-11)...........

2.
And the SECOND is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. If you LOVE your Neighbor you will fulfill the second 6 Commandments.

5.
Honor your father and your mother (Exodus 20:12)
6.
Thou shalt not KILL (Exodus 20:13)
7.
Thou shalt not commit adultery (Exodus 20:14)
8.
Thou shalt not steal (Exodus 20:15)
9.
Thou shalt not lie (Exodus 20:16)
10
Thou shalt not covet (Exodus 20:17)

links to...

Romans 13
8,
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

There are two Great Commandments that sum up all of God's 10 Commandments.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS <of LOVE to GOD and LOVE to MAN> HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS (Matt 22:40)

Breaking them is SIN. It is ONLY though FAITH that works by LOVE that anyone can follow and OBEY God and is why we need to be BORN AGAIN to follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in it OUT of GOd's KINGDOM. Truly, truly I say to you unless a man is born again he cannot see the KINGDOM of HEAVEN and be free to LOVE another.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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How can you walk in LOVE when you break God's Commandments when LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's LAW?

Romans 13
8,
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


The Greek word for fullfill used here is

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong
Fulfill - G4137
πληρόω; plēroō; play-ro'-o From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

Fullfill used in context othe scripture means doing to carry out to accomplish the law of God.

Now are you loving your Neighbor if you are stealing from him?
Are you loving your neigbor if you murder him?
Are you loving your neighbor if you commit adultery with his/her wife or husband?

Are you loving God if you make a God of money?
Are you loving God if you use his name in vain or make idols of things in your life?
Are you loving God by not remembering his Sabbath that he made for you?

SIN is the breaking of ANY God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN will NOT Enter into God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
was love shown here?

what David did, when he was hungry, and those who were with him;*4*how he entered into God’s house, and ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat

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*“What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth receive toll or tribute? From their children, or from strangers?”

26*Peter said to him, “From strangers.”

Jesus said to him,*“Therefore the children are exempt.*27*But, lest we cause them to stumble
 

Dan_473

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So then ALL has not yet been fulfilled.
it's also true that not the smallest letter or part of a letter has in any way been taken from the law

Deuteronomy 6: 1. Now these are the orders and the laws and the decisions which the Lord your God gave me for your teaching, so that you might do them in the land of your heritage to which you are going: 2. So that living in the fear of the Lord your God, you may keep all his laws and his orders, which I give you: you and your son and your son's son, all the days of your life; and so that your life may be long. 3. So give ear, O Israel, and take care to do this; so that it may be well for you, and you may be greatly increased, as the Lord the God of your fathers has given you his word, in a land flowing with milk and honey.
keep all of them, this is wisdom