GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Studyman]

so, Moses is the one who said Don't kill, and Jesus is speaking to his disciples

Yes?

We have a fundamental disagreement.

You believe Jesus was correcting the teaching of His Father in Matt. 5.

I believe the evidence shows that Jesus was correcting the teaching of the scribes and Pharisees which had corrupted His Father's Word in Matt. 5.

The Biblical case I made for my understanding is significant Dan. You are free to ignore it to preserve your religious tradition, but I can not.

There is not one place in the entire Bible where Jesus is at odds with His father's teaching, or that He didn't agree with His Father's teaching. Absolutely the opposite.

In contrast, Jesus fought against the teaching of the Scribes and Pharisees every day of His adult life. And before that, God's Prophets were at odds with their teaching, even killing the Prophets who tried to set them straight. And after Jesus died His Apostles fought against the Jews and their preaching through out the entire NT.

Why you would ignore and erase these Biblical truths from your mind in regards to Matt. 5 is fascinating to me. But you are free to do so.

I just can't.

 

[Dan_473]

We have a fundamental disagreement.

You believe Jesus was correcting the teaching of His Father in Matt. 5.

I believe the evidence shows that Jesus was correcting the teaching of the scribes and Pharisees which had corrupted His Father's Word in Matt. 5.

The Biblical case I made for my understanding is significant Dan. You are free to ignore it to preserve your religious tradition, but I can not.

There is not one place in the entire Bible where Jesus is at odds with His father's teaching, or that He didn't agree with His Father's teaching. Absolutely the opposite.

In contrast, Jesus fought against the teaching of the Scribes and Pharisees every day of His adult life. And before that, God's Prophets were at odds with their teaching, even killing the Prophets who tried to set them straight. And after Jesus died His Apostles fought against the Jews and their preaching through out the entire NT.

Why you would ignore and erase these Biblical truths from your mind in regards to Matt. 5 is fascinating to me. But you are free to do so.

I just can't.

Jesus isn't correcting his father's teaching

he is expanding on it

 

[Dan_473]

add i read it, Jesus takes things implied in the law and makes them explicit, open for people to see

Matthew 7: 12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. - Bible Offline

this is certainly implied in the law, though i don't know if the law says those exact words

 

[Endoscopy]

God is not a Levite. But again, it’s not my fault you can’t understand that. Jesus told you through Jeremiah what He would do, but you destroyed that Jesus and created another one more suitable to your fleshy needs. If you didn’t know that would be one thing. But you know full well.

You seem to love the red herring method of discourse.

 

[Studyman]

add i read it, Jesus takes things implied in the law and makes them explicit, open for people to see

Matthew 7: 12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. - Bible Offline

this is certainly implied in the law, though i don't know if the law says those exact words

Lev. 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

The Law and Prophets do teach that but people didn't have a bible back then. They had to go to the scribes and hear them read the Word, and to the Pharisees who told them it's meaning.

That was the context in Matt. 5. To correct their teaching, not God's. He specifically called them out and spoke of their teaching of old time. And Jesus expounded on what the Law and Prophets truly taught.

So to say that Jesus clarifies The Word, or expounds on the Word is a truth no doubt.

But to say the "THEM" in Matt. 5 was Moses or the Prophets, as you preach, is an untruth that leads to more untruths, like Jesus taught differently than God, or Jesus changed God's Laws regarding murder or adultery, a very common lie taught by "MANY" who come in His Name.

This stuff was hard for me 25 years ago, but now I understand why we all must choose between the religion we are born into and the narrow path that leads to life.

I hope you will re-consider your preaching regarding Matt. 5. Truth does matter.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hello DC

Your claim is that Hebrews 10:26-27 does not mean what it says and taken out of Context, I posted context before and after. You did not answer the question.

Please show us how Hebrews 10:26-27 in your view does not mean....

26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Surrounding context previouslt posted.
Hebrews 10
13, From now on expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14, For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15, Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, said the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17, And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18, Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19, Having therefore, brothers, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20, By a new and living way, which he has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21, And having an high priest over the house of God;
22, Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23, Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24, And let us consider one another to provoke to love and to good works:
25, Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching.
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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It seems in your view DC, Paul is lying when he says if we continue in SIN there remains no more sacrifice for sins,But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries?

Amen. Sin is evil, wicked, and 100% Against Jesus Christ. Why would you continue to do the very thing that killed our Lord Jesus Christ?

HOW CAN WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

If your faith has no FRUIT your tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire. SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

Amen, this is TRUE and is Scriptural.

Do you KNOW God's WORD DC or are you just making things up?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Are you a HYPOCRITE? You use Scriptures and what it says to back up what you are teaching, then you go on to teach things that are not backed up by Scriptures.

For example you said

HOW CAN WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

And all this is TRUE, but then you go and ADD YOUR own thoughts to what keeping His Commandments actually means. Do you only use Scriptures that support your own belief and disregard Scriptures that is contrary to your belief. i have PROOF that you do exactly that.

You teach

HOW CAN WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

And this Teaching is TRUE, but then you go on to teach what you believe which is contrary to Scriptures. You teach that His Commandments are to keep the 10 Commandments. Scriptures plainly teach what His Commandments are, but you absolutely refuse to believe what Scriptures teach concerning what His Commandments are.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

i put it in the boldest print that i could because it seems the many other times i quoted these verses, you did not see it.

So then Scriptures teach that His Commandments are to believe on Jesus and Love One Another.
You teach His Commandments are to keep the 10 Commandments.

What then, i should believe YOU over what Scriptures plainly teach? Seriously? Your right and Scriptures are wrong, is that what you are saying. Tell me, if you can, In the New Testament, what does the Holy Inspired Word of God teach is "His Commandments"?
Yes, yes, i know, you teach His Commandments are the 10 Commandments, but i am asking you to reveal What the New Testament plainly teaches are "His Commandments" or are you so blind that you can't find that answer even when it is presented to you many different times? sigh . .. .. ... ..

i will tell all of you the TRUTH. Anyone who is 1) believing in Jesus Christ and 2) Loving One Another : Is KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS, exactly as the Word of God plainly teaches. now let us hear what LoveGodForever, the word of men say Keeping His Commandments means.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[LoveGodForever]

"I'm not under the rules because I'm led by the spirit"
is basically a quote from Galatians, it is part of God's word

As mentioned earlier your believe is not God's

You are not led by the Spirit of God if you are sinning against him because if you walk in the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him. Those who do not obey him by faith have not seen him or know him....

Gal 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[DiscipleDave]

He who God sends speaks the Words of God. The Words I share with you are God's Word's not mine sent to help all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. You are free to BELIEVE or to REJECT God's Words I do not judge you. God's Word that you have rejected however however will be your judge come judgement day. SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

If God is telling you things that are contrary to the Word of God, then it is not God that you are speaking to and that is the TRUTH.

You teach keeping His Commandments is to keep the 10 Commandments. Which Jesus nor any Apostle ever told us to do. Jesus Himself said "A new commandment I give unto you, to Love One Another" The Apostle John even teaches us plainly what His Commandments are, that is 1) Believe in Jesus and 2) Love One Another. But you teach contrary to Scriptures then say it is from God. God would never teach anything contrary to His own Word. PERIOD!

If then you are sent by God, you should know how to answer questions presented to you, concerning the things of God. Could you please explain to me the meanings of these three verses I John 3:22, 23, and verse 24. i really don't think you are able to explain those verses, because what you believe and what those verses teach, are 100% contrary to each other.
You teach "keeping His Commandments" is the 10 Commandments.
The Apostle John teaches "Keeping His Commandments" is to believe on Jesus, and Love One Another. BOTH CAN'T BE RIGHT. So then i would really like to hear you explain what those three verses mean to you. Or will you just ignore these Scriptures because they do not line up with YOUR belief? We will see.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[gb9]

Amen. Sin is evil, wicked, and 100% Against Jesus Christ. Why would you continue to do the very thing that killed our Lord Jesus Christ?



Amen, this is TRUE and is Scriptural.



Are you a HYPOCRITE? You use Scriptures and what it says to back up what you are teaching, then you go on to teach things that are not backed up by Scriptures.

For example you said

And all this is TRUE, but then you go and ADD YOUR own thoughts to what keeping His Commandments actually means. Do you only use Scriptures that support your own belief and disregard Scriptures that is contrary to your belief. i have PROOF that you do exactly that.

You teach

And this Teaching is TRUE, but then you go on to teach what you believe which is contrary to Scriptures. You teach that His Commandments are to keep the 10 Commandments. Scriptures plainly teach what His Commandments are, but you absolutely refuse to believe what Scriptures teach concerning what His Commandments are.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

i put it in the boldest print that i could because it seems the many other times i quoted these verses, you did not see it.

So then Scriptures teach that His Commandments are to believe on Jesus and Love One Another.
You teach His Commandments are to keep the 10 Commandments.

What then, i should believe YOU over what Scriptures plainly teach? Seriously? Your right and Scriptures are wrong, is that what you are saying. Tell me, if you can, In the New Testament, what does the Holy Inspired Word of God teach is "His Commandments"?
Yes, yes, i know, you teach His Commandments are the 10 Commandments, but i am asking you to reveal What the New Testament plainly teaches are "His Commandments" or are you so blind that you can't find that answer even when it is presented to you many different times? sigh . .. .. ... ..

i will tell all of you the TRUTH. Anyone who is 1) believing in Jesus Christ and 2) Loving One Another : Is KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS, exactly as the Word of God plainly teaches. now let us hear what LoveGodForever, the word of men say Keeping His Commandments means.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

oh, he sees it. he just does not believe it. I have covered that many times with him, he just explains it away with his usual answer to any question- Sabbath, Sabbath , Sabbath.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Are you a HYPOCRITE? You use Scriptures and what it says to back up what you are teaching, then you go on to teach things that are not backed up by Scriptures.

For example you said

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Do you KNOW God's WORD DC or are you just making things up?

HOW CAN WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

And all this is TRUE, but then you go and ADD YOUR own thoughts to what keeping His Commandments actually means. HYPOCRITE do that. Do you only use Scriptures that support your own belief and disregard Scriptures that is contrary to your belief. i have PROOF that you do exactly that. You teach And this Teaching is TRUE, but then you go on to teach what you believe which is contrary to Scriptures. You teach that His Commandments are to keep the 10 Commandments.

Well that is not true all my good friend, these are your words and not God's. God says that SIN is breaking his LAW not me and if ANYONE CONTINUES living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN and break ANY of God's Commandments they will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

You teach you can keep 9 Commandments and break one this is something Jesus and the Apostles never taught and is a false Gospel started by the Father of lies in the Garden of Eden.

Here let's see what God says SIN is....

WHAT IS SIN?

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW


James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

links to...........

1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
Links to...........

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

Links to............

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

God's Word is in disagreement with you my friend. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments)

Scriptures plainly teach what His Commandments are, but you absolutely refuse to believe what Scriptures teach concerning what His Commandments are.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

i put it in the boldest print that i could because it seems the many other times i quoted these verses, you did not see it. So then Scriptures teach that His Commandments are to believe on Jesus and Love One Another. You teach His Commandments are to keep the 10 Commandments. What then, i should believe YOU over what Scriptures plainly teach? Seriously? Your right and Scriptures are wrong, is that what you are saying. Tell me, if you can, In the New Testament, what does the Holy Inspired Word of God teach is "His Commandments"?
Yes, yes, i know, you teach His Commandments are the 10 Commandments, but i am asking you to reveal What the New Testament plainly teaches are "His Commandments" or are you so blind that you can't find that answer even when it is presented to you many different times? sigh . .. .. ... ..i will tell all of you the TRUTH. Anyone who is 1) believing in Jesus Christ and 2) Loving One Another : Is KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS, exactly as the Word of God plainly teaches. now let us hear what LoveGodForever, the word of men say Keeping His Commandments means.

Now let's look at what you teach; You say that 1 John 2:3-4 does not mean God's Commandments, Then you pluck out 1 John 3:24 and say this is the meaning of the passage.

Now that we know what God says SIN is let's take a look at the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpretation for your own words which is what you are accusing me of right?

God's Word says SIN in breaking God's LAW; Now that we have the definition of Sin from God’s WORD let’s connect some of the scriptures…..


1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
8, He that commits SIN<breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Some key points..........

v4. SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE

Links to what Jesus says in Matthew..............

Matthew 7
21, Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THE DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN <FAITH THAT WORKS BY Love and OBEDIENCE>
22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU <1 John 3:6 = has not seen him or known him because they break God's LAW and practice SIN>: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY (SIN)

Now all of the above is the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23-24 which is to love one another. Now lets look at LOVE and how it links to FAITH and OBEDIENCE

NOW all of the ABOVE is the CONTEXT of the scripture you pulled out to give your own interpretation as to what it is saying. I would suggest my friend you take out your beam so you can see clearly before juding another as your beam has blinded your eyesight to God's Word.

LOVE and BELIEF is fulfilling (OBEYING) God's WORD. Those whoe LOVE and BELIEVE FOLLOW God's WORD, those that do not do not KNOW him who calls us to LOVE another as he first LOVED us.

If you LOVE God and your neighbor and BELIEVE God's WORD you will NOT be breaking God's Commandments. If you are you do not KNOW God.

Romans 13
8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

My friend if your FAITH has not FRUIT it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matt 7:12-23; James 2:18-20; 26)

Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will indeed NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. We should indeed BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD over the teachings and treaditions of men that break the Commandements of God.

Your words are your own and not God's. As shown above you teach agaisnt the LAW and the Prophets. This is something Jesus or the Apostles never did. LOVE is indeed the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. However, if you are KNOWINGLY SINNING against God or your neighbor you do not LOVE God or your neighbor.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. Those who reject God's WORD will be judged by God's WORD (John 12:47-48).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodForever]

If God is telling you things that are contrary to the Word of God, then it is not God that you are speaking to and that is the TRUTH.

Indeed you should listen to your own advice. It is not God that is teaching you to break the Commandments of God.

You teach keeping His Commandments is to keep the 10 Commandments.

I am NOT teaching what you a claiming or teaching, I am a no one, a voice crying in the wilderness to prepare the way of the Lord sharing God's Word that says; SIN which is breaking God's 10 Commandments and not BELIEVING God's WORD will keep ALL those who KNOWINGLY BREAK God's Commandments OUT of God's KINGDOM.

Jesus Himself said "A new commandment I give unto you, to Love One Another"

You leave out the rest of the scripture which says "AS I have LOVED you" This was the NEW part of the Commandment to LOVE as no one had ever LOVED another like Jesus. The Commandments of LOVE to GOD and our fellow man is summing of God's 10 Commandments.

This is taught by Jesus teaching from the OLD Testament scriotures here...

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Jesus was quoting these two great Commandments of LOVE that ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS HANG from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18

You my friend do not KNOW GOd's WORD and are indeed guilty of judging others because you cannot see clearly because of the beam in your eye.

The Apostle John even teaches us plainly what His Commandments are, that is 1) Believe in Jesus and 2) Love One Another. But you teach contrary to Scriptures then say it is from God. God would never teach anything contrary to His own Word. PERIOD! If then you are sent by God, you should know how to answer questions presented to you, concerning the things of God. Could you please explain to me the meanings of these three verses I John 3:22, 23, and verse 24. i really don't think you are able to explain those verses, because what you believe and what those verses teach, are 100% contrary to each other. You teach "keeping His Commandments" is the 10 Commandments.
The Apostle John teaches "Keeping His Commandments" is to believe on Jesus, and Love One Another. BOTH CAN'T BE RIGHT. So then i would really like to hear you explain what those three verses mean to you. Or will you just ignore these Scriptures because they do not line up with YOUR belief? We will see.

Let's continue in your scriptures to see what it means to LOVE.....

LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GOD’S LAW

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

Let's have a look................................................

What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.................

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer......................................................

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James................................................................

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word...........................

Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)

You are indeed a wolf in sheeps clothing and a false prophet because it is written; to the LAW and the testimony if they speak NOT according to this WORD there is no light in them. SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

Those who break the Commandments of God and teach others to do so will NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodForever]

Dear, you have to learn how your car engine work, the car engine has a spark plug, and if you start your car, the spark plug will Spark a fire and kindle a fire in that chamber, check this His video how engine workhttps://youtu.be/4W_NRHxekaY

So in your view Jackson the car is breaking the Sabbath? Amazing

 

[Katy-follower]

Matt. 7:21-23: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Not sure how you see this scripture?

The workers of iniquity are those He does not know, so they aren't believers, though they profess to be christians. It reminds me of Cain, who was trying to be made righteous by his works, just like today many reject Jesus and instead try to get to God their own way, and adding on extra requirements for salvation, like shabbat for example (broad road).

I think some are twisting the meaning of that scripture and claiming it's addressing believers who will lose their salvation and be called workers of iniquity because they failed to keep the shabbat and other commandments? In reality, it's addressing professing christians who were never saved, who present their rags of self, in place of faith in the blood of Jesus.

The keywords in that scripture being "I never knew you," because they were never God's children. Many of them on judgment day may also be saying "but I kept the shabbat"


John 6:40: "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

 

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by Dan_473

"I'm not under the rules because I'm led by the spirit" is basically a quote from Galatians, it is part of God's word

As mentioned earlier your believe is not God's

You are not led by the Spirit of God if you are sinning against him because if you walk in the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him. Those who do not obey him by faith have not seen him or know him....

Gal 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

some folks have different ideas about what Under the law means to me it's clear that it means Obligated to behave as outlined in a rule set, specifically one that can be written on paper

No need to guess here God's Word makes it very clear....

Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

If we break God's LAW (10 Commandments) we are guilty of SIN and condemned by the law. If we are forgiven we are no longer "UNDER the LAW guilty of SIN.

 

[Dan_473]

Lev. 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

The Law and Prophets do teach that but people didn't have a bible back then. They had to go to the scribes and hear them read the Word, and to the Pharisees who told them it's meaning.

That was the context in Matt. 5. To correct their teaching, not God's. He specifically called them out and spoke of their teaching of old time. And Jesus expounded on what the Law and Prophets truly taught.

So to say that Jesus clarifies The Word, or expounds on the Word is a truth no doubt.

But to say the "THEM" in Matt. 5 was Moses or the Prophets, as you preach, is an untruth that leads to more untruths, like Jesus taught differently than God, or Jesus changed God's Laws regarding murder or adultery, a very common lie taught by "MANY" who come in His Name.

This stuff was hard for me 25 years ago, but now I understand why we all must choose between the religion we are born into and the narrow path that leads to life.

I hope you will re-consider your preaching regarding Matt. 5. Truth does matter.

if you're actually saying that Moses didn't say (meaning the word of God delivered by Moses)
"You shall not murder"

then we definitely read things differently

 

[gb9]

No need to guess here God's Word makes it very clear....

Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

If we break God's LAW (10 Commandments) we are guilty of SIN and condemned by the law. If we are forgiven we are no longer "UNDER the LAW guilty of SIN.

in the Luke 16 story of the lazurus the beggar and the rich man, which of the 10 did the rich man break to end up in hell? which one/ ones did Jesus cite as him breaking?

 

[Studyman]

if you're actually saying that Moses didn't say (meaning the word of God delivered by Moses)
"You shall not murder"

then we definitely read things differently

Im saying that Jesus wasn’t speaking about Moses as you preach.

 

[Dan_473]

As mentioned earlier your believe is not God's

You are not led by the Spirit of God if you are sinning against him because if you walk in the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him. Those who do not obey him by faith have not seen him or know him....

Gal 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

i know I'm led by the spirit because

Romans 8: 16. The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; - Bible Offline

and i keep the law of God that is written on my heart

 

[gb9]

Im saying that Jesus wasn’t speaking about Moses as you preach.

then you are speaking lies. or you are calling Moses a lair. or both. because thou shall not muder, thou shall not not commit adultery are straight out of the 10.

 

[LoveGodForever]

i know I'm led by the spirit because Romans 8: 16. The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; - Bible Offline and i keep the law of God that is written on my heart

God's Spirit only testifies with our spirit if we are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. If you are breaking God's Commandments as the scriptures said earlier you are not following God neither do you know him.