GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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HEBREWS 3-4 and MATTHEW 11:28-30 AND GOD'S SABBATH REST IN THE 4TH COMMANDMENT

Certainly, you will not enter God's REST if you do not BELIEVE his WORD and you continue in SIN.

Hebrews 3
8,
Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

WHAT REST ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

Hebrews 4
1,
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week.

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his rest (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


Now let's compare Matthew 11:28-30 with Hebrews 4.....


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Mattehew 11
28,
Come to me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29, Take my yoke on you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest to your souls.
30, For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

STRONGS GREEK REST meaning; G373 ἀναπαύω anapauo (a-na-pav'-ō) v.
1. (reflexively) to repose, to rest.
2. (literally or figuratively) to be exempt, to remain.
3. (by implication) to refresh.
[from G303 and G3973]
KJV: take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest
Root(s): G303, G3973

G303
ἀνά ana (a-na') prep.
1. (properly) up.
2. (by extension, used distributively) amidst or severally, etc.
3. (by implication, as a prefix) (it often means) repetition (again), intensity, reversal, etc.
4. apiece.
5. (of combined motion) back.
6. (with G3319) through (the midst).

G3973 παύω pauo (pav'-ō) v.
to stop, i.e. restrain, quit, desist, come to an end.
{transitively or intransitively}
[a primary verb (“pause”)]
KJV: cease, leave, refrain

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Now compare this GREEK word used here to the one used in Hebrews 4:9...

Hebrews 4
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.

The GREEk Word used here is different.

STRONGS GREEK/HEBERW REST meaning of Hebrews 4:9;
G4520 σαββατισμός sabbatismos (sab-ba-tiz-mos') n.
1. a “sabbatism.”
2. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven).

[from a derivative of G4521] σάββατον sabbaton (saɓ'-ɓa-ton) n.
1. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath).
2. a day of weekly repose from secular avocations.
3. the observance or institution itself.
4. (by extension) a week, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths.
5. likewise the plural in all the above applications.

[of Hebrew origin (H7676)]
שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.
1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.
2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.

[intensive from H7673]
H7673 שָׁבַת shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.
to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}
[a primitive root] KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

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As you can see from the different GREEK words used in Matthew 11:28 and Hebrews 4:9 both words are indeed different and have a different application.

Both are similar referring to rest but the word REST in Hebrews 4:9 in is reference "Sabbatismos" which is the "REST"specifically found in God's Sabbath the 4th Commandment that refers right back the Hebrew WORD used for rest in Genesis 2.

Let's look at the origin of the Sabbath and God's 4th Commandment...

Genesis 2
1,
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3, And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

[intensive from H7673]
H7673 שָׁבַת shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.
to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}
[a primitive root] KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

The above HEBREW meaning is the base root of Sabbatismos from the GREEK word used in Hebrews 4:9 which is referring right back to the origin of God's Sabbath in Genesis 2 and God's 4th Commandment in Exodus 20:8-11.

The meraning here is the REST that comes specifically from BELIEVING and OBEYING Gods WORD' from God's 4th Commandment Sabbath. This is the SABBATH rest according to the commandment.

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You have no peace because you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. We ONLY have rest in Christ if we BELIEVE and FOLLOW Jesus. Those who are still in their SINS do not KNOW God and are like the troubled see that have no peace.

Isaiah 57
20,
But the wicked (SINNERS) are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21, There is no peace, said my God, to the wicked.

1 John 2
3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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HEBREWS 3-4 and MATTHEW 11:28-30 AND GOD'S SABBATH REST IN THE 4TH COMMANDMENT

Certainly, you will not enter God's REST if you do not BELIEVE his WORD and you continue in SIN.

Hebrews 3
8,
Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

WHAT REST ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

Hebrews 4
1,
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week.

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his rest (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
The rest of creator God is eternal, the same as for those who rest in Him.
 

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we should let Him teach us

Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.
(Exodus 22:29-30)


what does He teach us here?
 

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8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

you should really choose a translation that doesn't blaspheme in its rendering of this verse.

it's Joshua, who was not able to give rest, not Jesus: He does not fail where everything else, does
 

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God's Promised Rest

Unbelieving Jews will not enter God's rest
Psalms:95:1: O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.
Psalms:95:2: Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms.
Psalms:95:3: For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psalms:95:4: In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.
Psalms:95:5: The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
Psalms:95:6: O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.
Psalms:95:7: For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Psalms:95:8: Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Psalms:95:9: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
Psalms:95:10: Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psalms:95:11: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.


Those who believe and follow the Lord, will receive the promised rest
It is just as he said, "I was angry and made a solemn promise: 'They will never enter the land where I would have given them rest!' " [Psalm 95]He said this even though his work had been finished from the time he created the world. (Heb 4:3)


In fulfilment of the promised rest Jesus said to those who believe in Him

"Come to me, all of you who are tired and I will give you rest. (Mat 11:28)
 
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RED: Moses broke the 6th commandment and killed thousands.

Perhaps the God of Moses is the God of Islam! They are killing thousands as well in the name of God.

It would be nice to see on a Christian forum the teaching of Christ who said to the people around him,

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.(Joh 8:44)
You say terrible thi8ngs, may Yah correct you.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 15:3, “And they sing the song of Mosheh the servant of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and marvelous are Your works, [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Strength Almighty! Righteous and true are Your ways, O Sovereign of the set-apart ones!”[/FONT]
 

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No dear your question has been indeed answered many times already. You do not like the answer. We are not living in the OLD Covenant under the civil laws of Israel. :)
may be your answere is to long and I do not understand.

1 you said you not kill sabbath violator because you call to love, am I correct?

2 than you say, you not kill sabbath violator because the verse that instruct to kill sabbath violator is only for Jews, am I correct?

so wich one you think correct 1 or 2
 

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You say terrible thi8ngs, may Yah correct you.

Revelation 15:3, “And they sing thesong of Mosheh the servant of יהוה, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and marvelous are Your works, יהוה Strength Almighty! Righteous and true are Your ways, O Sovereign of the set-apart ones!”
God delivered the Israelites out of Egypt without the people so much a spilling a single drop of blood.

Neither will mankind spill a drop of blood when Jesus, the Lamb returns, (it was Jesus, the I AM, who delivered them out of Egypt) However, there will be lots of blood shed by man in the name of 'god' before Jesus does return, just as in the days of Moses.

It is unfortunate that the Israelites, after their release from Egypt, then turned to foreign gods. Aaron turned to Baal and the Golden Calf, while Moses who had been a captain in the Egyptian army and trained in warfare, turned to the sword and the god of war, he should have continued to trust in the I AM, but the people were grumbling.

So all the people took off their gold earrings and brought them to Aaron. He took the earrings, melted them, poured the gold into a mould, and made a gold bull-calf. The people said, "Israel, this is our god, who led us out of Egypt!" Then Aaron built an altar in front of the gold bull-calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to honour the LORD."
(Exo 32:3-5)

The song Moses taught the people on their exit from Egypt was in praise of Jesus the Lamb, but unfortunately they turned their backs on the I AM and I see the same hostility towards Jesus on the forums today. It makes me want to weep. They worship Moses and dishonour Jesus.

You dislike hearing the truth about Moses, but how about facing reality and accept the facts? The alternative is to say scripture is a lie. Then you can fight for the truth about Jesus and lift him high.
 
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God delivered the Israelites out of Egypt without the people so much a spilling a single drop of blood.

Neither will mankind spill a drop of blood when Jesus, the Lamb returns, (it was Jesus, the I AM, who delivered them out of Egypt) However, there will be lots of blood shed by man before Jesus does return, just as in the days of Moses.

It is unfortunate that the Israelites, after their release from Egypt, then turned to foreign gods. Aaron turned to Baal and the Golden Calf, while Moses who had been a captain in the Egyptian army and trained in warfare, turned to the sword and the god of war, he should have continued to trust in the I AM, but the people were grumbling.

So all the people took off their gold earrings and brought them to Aaron. He took the earrings, melted them, poured the gold into a mould, and made a gold bull-calf. The people said, "Israel, this is our god, who led us out of Egypt!" Then Aaron built an altar in front of the gold bull-calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to honour the LORD."
(Exo 32:3-5)

The song Moses taught the people on their exit from Egypt was in praise of Jesus the Lamb, but unfortunately they turned their backs on the I AM and I see the same hostility towards Jesus on the forums today. It makes me want to weep. They worship Moses and dishonour Jesus.

You dislike hearing the truth about Moses, but how about facing reality and accept the facts? The alternative is to say scripture is a lie. Then you can fight for the truth about Jesus while lifting him high.
What about all the Hebrews who do worship YHWH? You isolate those that were not faithful and say they all were. Your anti-semitisim is noted.


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-20, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them. And I looked and saw a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Aḏam, (Dan 7:13-14) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place, crying with a loud voice to the One sitting on the cloud, “Send Your sickle and reap, because the hour has come for You to reap, because the harvest of the earth is ripe. And the One sitting on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place which is in the heaven, and he too held a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out from the altar, having authority over the fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him having the sharp sickle, saying, “Send your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe. And the messenger thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the wine press, up to the bridles of the horses, for about one thousand six hundred stadiad. (Approx. 296 kilometres or 184 miles)”[/FONT][/FONT]
 

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What about all the Hebrews who do worship YHWH? You isolate those that were not faithful and say they all were. Your anti-semitisim is noted.


Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”


Revelation 14:12-20, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them. And I looked and saw a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Aḏam, (Dan 7:13-14) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place, crying with a loud voice to the One sitting on the cloud, “Send Your sickle and reap, because the hour has come for You to reap, because the harvest of the earth is ripe. And the One sitting on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place which is in the heaven, and he too held a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out from the altar, having authority over the fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him having the sharp sickle, saying, “Send your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe. And the messenger thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of יהוה. And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the wine press, up to the bridles of the horses, for about one thousand six hundred stadiad. (Approx. 296 kilometres or 184 miles)”
Strange how you should focus of that.
 

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That describes Moses when he forsook the I AM and turned to a Canaanite god called Yahweh. LINK

It is obvious that you don't understand where Yahweh comes from.

https://www.gotquestions.org/YHWH-tetragrammaton.html

Question: "What is YHWH? What is the tetragrammaton?"

Answer: The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.

The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”; most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters).

Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain (Leviticus 24:16), the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai (“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios (“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.

Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)—thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.

Addendum to this.
I took Latin in high school. Latin has no Y or W. J is pronounced like a Y and V is pronounced like a W. Thus going into Latin YHWH becomes JHVH. The Latin Vulgate is where Jehovah originates with the JHVH.
 

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Strange how you should focus of that.
It was in direct reply to your words, so how is it strange.

Nothing to do with Christianity. Jesus never used the term. The Jews claim YHWH as their national God. The true God is the God of the universe and not one nation. The Israelites were into paganism at the time.
More falsehood.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:4, “These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elohim made earth and heavens.”[/FONT]
 

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Nothing to do with Christianity. Jesus never used the term. The Jews claim YHWH as their national God. The true God is the God of the universe and not one nation. The Israelites were into paganism at the time.

oi!

When Jesus said to them, “
I AM” they drew back and fell to the ground.
(John 18:6)
 

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Originally Posted by Magenta

Working on the Sabbath was said to be a sin by those whom Jesus opposed. Jesus worked on the Sabbath, showing us it is not a sin, yet still the Sabbatarians present work on the Sabbath as a sin. Therefore, it is Sabbatarians who are following the traditions of men.
What work. Spiritual; so as to further the kingdom, or physical in order to further his secular needs?
Originally Posted by Dan_473

if a missionary in a foreign land buys some food so that they will then have strength to peach the gospel in a nearby village, is that spiritual work or physical?
Please share how this relates to Jesus being accused of breaking the Sabbath by healing someone.
Jesus did spiritual work on the Sabbath
That is right. So when HE Was accused of breaking the Sabbath; HE was accused falsely. Buying food or doing anything in regards to self seeking has nothing to do with what Jesus was doing. He healed for the betterment of the Kingdom.

also every other day
actually, i believe all of Jesus' work was spiritual
Amen unless HE sinned; which HE did not. However if HE had not kept the Day of rest that HE through the FATHER hallowed and blessed HE would have sinned.
he did God's work all the time, which is what i believe we are called to do
Called too and can through HE that strengthens us. For has given us all that pertain to life and godliness.If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:43, "I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 5:11, "But let all those who trust in You rejoice! Let them ever shout for joy, because of Your protection of them! Let those who love Your Name, YHWH, be joyful in You!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 83:18, "Let men know that You, Whose Name Alone is YHWH, are the Supreme Head over all the earth!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 12:4, "And in that day you will say; HalleluYHWH! (Praise YHWH!) Call with His Name! Declare His deeds among the people; proclaim that His Name is exalted!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT]The last thing Yahshua/Jesus said as He exited the temple mount before they killed His flesh... Do yo9u think He obeyed the pharisee law about not saying the name and saying "the Lord" instead or do you think He spoke His Father's Name?



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of ????????? the Lord?YHWH!" [/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! We shall bless you from the House of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 17:6, "I have made Your Name known to the men that You gave Me out of the world. They were yours, and You gave them to Me; and they have kept Your word."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 17:26, "“And I have made Your Name known to them, and shall make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me might be in them, and I in them.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 22:22, "I make known Your Name to My brothers; In the midst of the assembly I praise You."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Heb 2:12, "saying, “I shall announce Your Name to My brothers, in the midst of the congregation I shall sing praise to You.” [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zecharyah 13:9, "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They will call with My Name, and I will hear them. I will say: It is My people! And they will say; YHWH is my Strength!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 45:17, "I will make Your Name to be remembered in all generations! Therefore shall the nations praise You for ever and ever!"[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Sabbath (7[SUP]th[/SUP] day) was from creation, as shown above and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, it is the only Law/Command that sows it is from the Creator of all that is. Anyone can make a list of Laws for a clean lifestyle, but nobody but YHWH can make a Law that shows they are the Creator, and He did.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 45:18, "For thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Creator of the heavens, He is Mighty, Sculptor of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and there is none else."[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”[/FONT]
 

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Nothing to do with Christianity. Jesus never used the term. The Jews claim YHWH as their national God. The true God is the God of the universe and not one nation. The Israelites were into paganism at the time.
You believe this why?

What in the Holy Writ brought you to this?
 

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Originally Posted by posthuman

Not leave the others undone?

So yes, wear tzitzit? Yes, keep new moon? Yes, physically kill violators?

Or you neglect the ones you don't like, too?
According to your line of thought; What about bestiality?
 

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Originally Posted by mailmandan

Really? Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. How does that equate to the Sabbath day is binding on the Church under the New Covenant?
The Word for Sabbath is plural in that text. Verse 16 starts with the word therefore. Which keeps it in context to verse 14

Havingblotted out the handwriting to the ordinances that is againstus, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailedit to the cross.

It is the Sabbaths that were of the handwriting to the ordinances. The ordinances are the Decalogue and those Laws contained in the Book of the Law that showed us what righteousness is. The handwriting to them that were against us, were those laws pertaining to when we sinned.