GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[PS]

THe pharisees would literally have you taken to trial and beaten, imrisoned of even killed for not doing it their way, they killed Zacharyah for not honoring the Day of Atonement the way they said.

The prophet Zecharyah was killed over this very matter and Yahshua Himself mentioned the murder;


Matthew 23:34-35, “Because of this, see, I send you prophets, and wise men, and scholars of Scripture, Some of them you shall kill and impale, and some of them you shall flog in your congregations and persecute from city to city, so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."


2 Chronicles 24:20-21, "Then the Spirit of the Most High came upon Zeḵaryah son of Yehoyaḏa the priest, who stood above the people, and said to them, “Thus said the Most High, ‘Why are you transgressing the commands of יהוה, and do not prosper? Because you have forsaken יהוה, He has forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and at the command of the sovereign they stoned him with stones in the courtyard of the House of יהוה."



The prophet Zecharyah (father of John the baptist) had a disagreement with the Pharisees about what day to keep the Day of Atonement, they commanded him to not honor it on the day YHWH said to but to rather honor the day they supplied, “the tradition of the elders”. Zecharyah chose to obey YHWH, and his body was killed because of it,

That all goes to prove the god of the Jews is not the Father of Jesus.

Their evil deeds point to the satanic nature of their God. Jesus said to them: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (Joh 8:44)"

The Jews follow the same god as the Pharisees.

Would I recommend the religion of Judaism? Answer NO.

 

[Dan_473]

According to your religion this could be true. That would explain why there are so many hundreds of differing doctrines. But not according to the Jesus of the Bible. It is difficult for people to believe "ALL" of Christ's Words, or for the truly deceived to change and accept the truth, but Jesus wouldn't have come to the Lost (Deceived) children of Israel if it was too difficult.

For this reason the Christ gave us His Word as an example for us to be admonished by.

"But not according to the Jesus of the Bible."

true!

but for the humans involved, it can often involve labour and striving

 

[Dan_473]

According to your religion this could be true. That would explain why there are so many hundreds of differing doctrines. But not according to the Jesus of the Bible. It is difficult for people to believe "ALL" of Christ's Words, or for the truly deceived to change and accept the truth, but Jesus wouldn't have come to the Lost (Deceived) children of Israel if it was too difficult.

For this reason the Christ gave us His Word as an example for us to be admonished by.

"It is difficult for people to believe "ALL" of Christ's Words, or for the truly deceived to change and accept the truth"

and that's really all I'm saying, It is difficult

 

[Endoscopy]

Hello dear you are just quoting your own words over God's Words again. Everything you continue to ask has been answered with God's Word in these posts here....

CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17

CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?

You choose to ignore and reject God's Word (Jesus) and choose to follow your tradtition over the Word of God dear.

If you disagree dear please respond to all the scriptures in the liked post above that disagree with your interpretation of God's WORD. Simply ignoring God's Word and saying your own words over Gods does not make your words God's Word.

It is time to leave Sunday school dear and follow Jesus in Spirit and in truth because God seeks such to worship him. Come out of Darkness dear there is no where to hide when the lights are turned on unless you close your eyes. This is your choice.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

What a long double diatribe of meaningless ranting. The longer the post the fewer read it. You are making it impossible for others to even read your rant. I didn't even bother to read it.

 

[lightbearer]

What a long double diatribe of meaningless ranting. The longer the post the fewer read it. You are making it impossible for others to even read your rant. I didn't even bother to read it.

Do you ever post anything substantial?

 

[lightbearer]

Yep nice post LB, what baffles me sometimes is that so many try and put their own interpretation on God's WORD when God's WORD already defines what it is talking about.

That is true brother. GOD's word explains itself fore the most part and Typically you do not need to leave the Chapter of the verse that is the topic.

 

[lightbearer]

They can't address his posts LB. They contain God's Word which condemn their religion. And their anger isn't against him, but the God whose Words he is posting. He is just a convenient place for them to place their contempt for the God of the Bible on. Like Cain did to Abel, and the Mainstream Preachers of Stephen's time did to him. I have seen others who are not SDA, who also post scriptures which expose their religion as from men and not from God and they get the same treatment.

I would wear their hatred and scorn like a badge.

It is sad really.... I pm'ed one of them not to long; you know what they said to me? They said I was not their friend I was their enemy. Kinda puts a twist on the love your enemy thing don't it? On the flip though one of them pm'ed me one time as we were conversing and told me that they loved me. That was nice. I think he meant it; though his post don't always show it.

We are all growing in the grace of GOD I guess (hope).

 

[Endoscopy]

Do you ever post anything substantial?

Not when posting about a couple of long rambling posts that become hard to understand with the twisting long posts that become hard to understand.

Use the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) method. It worked great in electronics and software. In those fields using that method makes it easier to understand and fix. Same with simple short posts vs long twisting posts. Too many follow the poem about speaking.

He loves its gentle warble,
He loves its gentle flow,
He loves to wind his tongue up,
He loves to let it go.

Long posts remind me of this poem.

 

[Ugly]

Do you ever post anything substantial?

He joined the site just to complain about other peoples posting styles. I've yet to see him post anything not a complaint about the length of people's posts. The irony is lost on him that constantly telling others how they "should" post is exceedingly more annoying than long posts.

 

[Endoscopy]

He joined the site just to complain about other peoples posting styles. I've yet to see him post anything not a complaint about the length of people's posts. The irony is lost on him that constantly telling others how they "should" post is exceedingly more annoying than long posts.

In point of fact I hate the too short posts like this one!!!

ROFL

Ina case ya don git it. It's a yoke!!

 

[LoveGodForever]

It is sad really.... I pm'ed one of them not to long; you know what they said to me? They said I was not their friend I was their enemy. Kinda puts a twist on the love your enemy thing don't it? On the flip though one of them pm'ed me one time as we were conversing and told me that they loved me. That was nice. I think he meant it; though his post don't always show it.

We are all growing in the grace of GOD I guess (hope).

Yes I can relate to that similar thing happened to me. I guess there is two kinds of Children talked about in 1 John 3. Some will BELIEVE and FOLLOW God the others follow another. Everyone is free to choose what they will do and all will answer to God come Judgement day.

What I found interesting. You may have noticed as well. There is that thread with the title "God's SABBATH is EVERYDAY" Yet last time I was there there was not one scripture from the OP or anyone else in support of the OP even after 9 pages ?

Did you notice that? When we were sharing God's WORD showing the opposite of the OP, they wanted to talk about anything else except the OP and ignored all the scripture provided against the OP. I guess when you have not got God's WORD then it is easier for some to close their eyes and ears as written by the prophet Isaiah.

Anyhow ONLY God's WORD is true. All we can do is sow the seeds and pray the God may make the increase and that some will come to a knowledge of the truth and be prepared for his Kingdom.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodForever]

What a long double diatribe of meaningless ranting. The longer the post the fewer read it. You are making it impossible for others to even read your rant. I didn't even bother to read it.

Hello Endoscopy,

I love God's Word. If you do not want to read the posts you do not have to although it baffles me how you and your friends can call God's WORD meaningless ranting when

1. It is God's WORD and
2. You do not read the post and scriptures in them and yet you call God's WORD meaningless ranting

It is God's WORD. If God's WORD is not for you then it is not for you.

I do not judge you but for me it is God's WORD and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodForever]

With respect I can highlight the source of his beliefs all I want!
Particularly because the source is extra-Biblical...

Hi GNP, how can you know the WORD when you have not WORD?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Is the Law death or not?

Not at all Hiz, the wages of SIN is death to those who reject the GIFT of God's dear son.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodForever]

God's Word from v14 GREEK meaning from the bible says.....

1. Handwriting mean = written legal manucript
2. Ordinance mean = CIVIL, CEREMONIAL, ECCLESIASTICAL laws
3. Blotting out mean = Erase, rub out gone

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GREEK BIBLE MEANING

v14, BLOTTING OUT < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase> the HANDWRITING < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), i.e. a manuscript specially, a legal document > of ORDINANCES < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws> that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

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MORE SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE 1

MORE SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE 2

Hope this help you dear.

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Only God's Word is true dear and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

1. CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17

2. CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

3. CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

4. CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?

5. CLICK HERE: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ENTER GOD'S REST?

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Thanks dear

1. Handwriting mean written legal manuscript.

manuscrip mean manual written /not print or type. All scripture originally manual written because there isn't printer or type writer then. So 10 C is in this category, because it is legal manuscript

2. You say ordinance mean ecclesiastical law

ecclesiastical law

1​

nthe body of codified laws governing the affairs of a Christian church

I check in dictionary this mean the law governing the church, back tnan in Moses time call congregation.

so 10 C in this category

3. Blotting mean gone that mean 1 and 2 gone in the sense of being fulfill after Jesus die on the cross. That is why if SDA say you have to follow Jesus, if Jesus observe sabbath on Saturday, we have to do it, if Jesus circumcised we have to do it, how about women. Also SDA must prove that Jesus observe sabbath on Saturday after His resurrection, remember the word nailed on the cross in col2:14 that mean handwriting ordinance gone after cross not before.

Sorry Jackson,

Please do not take this the wrong way but your post does not really make much sense.

You may need to explain yourself a bit better. How you come up with some of the things you come up with dear is astonishing to say the least.

I am not sure if it is a language problem or you just do not read your bible or maybe a little of both.

Maybe you can pray about it more at home. There is a lot a scriptures in those posts.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Jackson123]

Sorry Jackson,

Please do not take this the wrong way but your post does not really make much sense.

You may need to explain yourself a bit better. How you come up with some of the things you come up with dear is astonishing to say the least.

I am not sure if it is a language problem or you just do not read your bible or maybe a little of both.

Maybe you can pray about it more at home. There is a lot a scriptures in those posts.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

i believe you have a problem.

which of my response you do not understand, wich part

the way you respon is more to hide your mistake, be honest dear, it is simple that 10 C is handwriting ordinance

to support your wrong doctrine you pretend not understand.

repent dear or to late.

 

[LoveGodForever]

i believe you have a problem. which of my response you do not understand, wich part
the way you respon is more to hide your mistake, be honest dear, it is simple that 10 C is handwriting ordinance
to support your wrong doctrine you pretend not understand. repent dear or to late.

Hello dear,

I have no problem. You post above that I was reposnding to makes no sense biblically. Show me in the Bible were it says the 10 Commandment is an ORDINANCE? God's 10 Commandments are commandments from GOD written on stone.

The ORDINANCES are written in the MOSAIC BOOK (manuscript) of the Covenant to support God's LAW.

Or does it respond to the posts and scriptures that you were responding to as you have only provided your words over God's.

You have been provided God's WORD dear they are not mine.

You have only provided your own words over God's and have not responded to God's WORD but only ignored them.

This is your decision Jackson you can believe God's WORD or not. You can believe today or not. If you do not believe and refuse to hear God's WORD however you will be made to hear them again come judgement day where you will need to answer to God.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dan_473]

the next question from 7127

"What do you think the OLD Covenant is and what makes up the laws of the OLD COVENANT and what are their purpose and how to they relate to the NEW COVENANT?"

i read three questions here

the first
"What do you think the OLD Covenant is"

there are many covenants in the old testament

this is the one i think of as the old covenant

Jeremiah 31: 32 ...the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt...

 

[Jackson123]

Hello dear,

I have no problem. You post above that I was reposnding to makes no sense biblically. Show me in the Bible were it says the 10 Commandment is an ORDINANCE? God's 10 Commandments are commandments from GOD written on stone.

The ORDINANCES are written in the MOSAIC BOOK (manuscript) of the Covenant to support God's LAW.

Or does it respond to the posts and scriptures that you were responding to as you have only provided your words over God's.

You have been provided God's WORD dear they are not mine.

You have only provided your own words over God's and have not responded to God's WORD but only ignored them.

This is your decision Jackson you can believe God's WORD or not. You can believe today or not. If you do not believe and refuse to hear God's WORD however you will be made to hear them again come judgement day where you will need to answer to God.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Dear, read your own post

you say

2. Ordinance mean = CIVIL, CEREMONIAL, ECCLESIASTICAL laws
3. Blotting out mean = Erase, rub out gone


Now, what is your definition of civil, ceremonial, or eclesiastical laws?

 

[oldethennew]

'Fear God and Keep His Commandments, for 'this is the whole DUTY of man'...