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Have you any idea how stupid this looks?
I did prove earlier that all the texts he quoted claiming that they referred to the "Ten commandments" actually did not!
As for proof, you are going to have a hard time proving that Sunday worship is of Satanic origin.
I am sure you will convince your friends but no one who has any sense...
I did prove earlier that all the texts he quoted claiming that they referred to the "Ten commandments" actually did not!
As for proof, you are going to have a hard time proving that Sunday worship is of Satanic origin.
I am sure you will convince your friends but no one who has any sense...
You claimed that all those texts referred to the ten commandments.
Simply put - they do not, and you will be unable to prove that they do.
The word "commandment" or "commandments" or "His commandments" cannot just be assumed to be a reference to the "TEN COMMANDMENTS".
And I stand by this.
If I try and explain what any of those verses really might mean then your response will just be that it is my opinion.
You certainly have provided nothing in the way of evidence that these verses do indeed refer to the "TEN Commandments".
Its an assumption - pure and simple...
Simply put - they do not, and you will be unable to prove that they do.
The word "commandment" or "commandments" or "His commandments" cannot just be assumed to be a reference to the "TEN COMMANDMENTS".
And I stand by this.
If I try and explain what any of those verses really might mean then your response will just be that it is my opinion.
You certainly have provided nothing in the way of evidence that these verses do indeed refer to the "TEN Commandments".
Its an assumption - pure and simple...
this is exactly Ariel's position, in fact. She is saying that everything you do to keep a day holy, you do to keep your whole life holy in Christ, daily. as the fulfilling of David who longed to spend all his days in the temple, we, as He says through Peter, being built as lively stones for the city which has no temple, because the Lamb is its temple, as He says speaking through John, indeed in Him are every day in the temple.
if we walk by the Spirit, we don't need to do a different work on a particular day - because He has appointed another day, "today" speaking again through David - because the Father is always working and we will join Him in His work as He is the one working in us, as He says speaking through Peter again.
see Ariel's position doesn't even need to appeal to Paul !
the fact that they had to be told casts an awful lot of doubt on the position that man has known & even been commanded since the beginning to keep it. the first command to keep a sabbath is in Exodus 16, in the instructions for gathering manna. they had to be told -- this is evidence that they had not previously been told and were not accustomed to observing it: as you say, they did not know: therefore neither the Spirit nor the flesh had informed them until God spoke through Moses to them.
this very succinctly restates Ariel's position
if we walk by the Spirit, we don't need to do a different work on a particular day - because He has appointed another day, "today" speaking again through David - because the Father is always working and we will join Him in His work as He is the one working in us, as He says speaking through Peter again.
see Ariel's position doesn't even need to appeal to Paul !
the fact that they had to be told casts an awful lot of doubt on the position that man has known & even been commanded since the beginning to keep it. the first command to keep a sabbath is in Exodus 16, in the instructions for gathering manna. they had to be told -- this is evidence that they had not previously been told and were not accustomed to observing it: as you say, they did not know: therefore neither the Spirit nor the flesh had informed them until God spoke through Moses to them.
this very succinctly restates Ariel's position
Show me please.
It is not from the Bible. So it is of satan.
Originally Posted by graceNpeace
None of the first church fathers initiated it either but they did record its reality.
The New Testament does however record it:
Acts 20:7
As was stated and can clearly be seen. There is No mention of the Sabbath or that they came together to worship. To assume they were or to assert it is to add to the word of GOD.
No mention of the Sabbath or that they came together to worship there either. To assume they were or to assert it; is to add to the word of GOD. This is not our place. However satan and his cohorts have tried since the Garden of Eden and will continue until the Culmination.
It is not from the Bible. So it is of satan.
None of the first church fathers initiated it either but they did record its reality.
The New Testament does however record it:
Acts 20:7
No mention of the Sabbath or that they came together to worship there either. To assume they were or to assert it; is to add to the word of GOD. This is not our place. However satan and his cohorts have tried since the Garden of Eden and will continue until the Culmination.
So your way of proving something is because you say so. Our words mean nothing only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
Here is what God's WORD says in just a few examples of scripture quoted in the larger post earlier....
Matthew 22
36, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
links to...
Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
18, He said unto him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
19, Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Links to...
Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
links to...
James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
These are only a few of the many posted earlier that you said none refer to God's 10 Commandments. Yet they even spell out what commandments they are talking about (the 10) There is too many more posted earlier. I suggest you read your bible. You do not prove anything by saying your words over Gods.
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Where does it say in God's WORD as you claim that God's SABBATH is EVERYDAY?
Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?
Sola Scriptura where are you?
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Here is what God's WORD says in just a few examples of scripture quoted in the larger post earlier....
Matthew 22
36, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
links to...
Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
18, He said unto him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
19, Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Links to...
Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
links to...
James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
These are only a few of the many posted earlier that you said none refer to God's 10 Commandments. Yet they even spell out what commandments they are talking about (the 10) There is too many more posted earlier. I suggest you read your bible. You do not prove anything by saying your words over Gods.
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Where does it say in God's WORD as you claim that God's SABBATH is EVERYDAY?
Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?
Sola Scriptura where are you?
................
SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).
If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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I am not going to repeat myself - go and read the thread.
Why would there be reference to the Sabbath when they met on the first day of the week????
The first day of the week is NOT the Sabbath....
As for your contention that it could not be the purposes of worship - well I leave the verses themselves to speak on that!
You have made an accusation that Sunday worship is of Satanic origin - your justification is one made from silence.
It is no proof of anything...
Why would there be reference to the Sabbath when they met on the first day of the week????
The first day of the week is NOT the Sabbath....
As for your contention that it could not be the purposes of worship - well I leave the verses themselves to speak on that!
You have made an accusation that Sunday worship is of Satanic origin - your justification is one made from silence.
It is no proof of anything...
So you have nothing then. All you did earlier was post text out of context.
Originally Posted by graceNpeace
None of the first church fathers initiated it either but they did record its reality.
The New Testament does however record it:
Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:1-2
Originally Posted by lightbearer
No mention of the Sabbath or that they came together to worship there either. To assume they were or to assert it; is to add to the word of GOD. This is not our place. However satan and his cohorts have tried since the Garden of Eden and will continue until the Culmination.
Amen! Nor was it mentioned that they worshiped or held the day in commemoration of Jesus' Resurrection.
Since the verses are silent on the matter I trust that you will no longer assert or assume that they were gathering to worship or that the first day of the week and any significance. To assert or assume is to add what is not there.
As long as their worship day does not replace the Sabbath, their Sunday or any Day for worship is fine and encouraged.
But when one sins by ignoring the Commandments of GOD; for sin is the transgression of the Law; such as the Sabbath. Then there worship is in vain and of satan. Even if they think they are keeping the Sabbath.
None of the first church fathers initiated it either but they did record its reality.
The New Testament does however record it:
Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:1-2
Since the verses are silent on the matter I trust that you will no longer assert or assume that they were gathering to worship or that the first day of the week and any significance. To assert or assume is to add what is not there.
As long as their worship day does not replace the Sabbath, their Sunday or any Day for worship is fine and encouraged.
But when one sins by ignoring the Commandments of GOD; for sin is the transgression of the Law; such as the Sabbath. Then there worship is in vain and of satan. Even if they think they are keeping the Sabbath.
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Hardly!
SDA's are most definitely NOT the hermeneutical or exegetical standard.
Know this: I care not for your interpretations of Scripture....
Knowing the history of the SDA movement one cannot take anything that comes from this organisation or its accolytes at face value.
LGF, in particular, has shown that he will say anything in support of the cause.
Truth and accuracy are abandoned for propaganda and lies instead.
Your attitude is showing that you are every bit LGF's equal in these stakes - and therefore not to be trusted....
SDA's are most definitely NOT the hermeneutical or exegetical standard.
Know this: I care not for your interpretations of Scripture....
Knowing the history of the SDA movement one cannot take anything that comes from this organisation or its accolytes at face value.
LGF, in particular, has shown that he will say anything in support of the cause.
Truth and accuracy are abandoned for propaganda and lies instead.
Your attitude is showing that you are every bit LGF's equal in these stakes - and therefore not to be trusted....
Adam, which was the son of God.
In that God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
In the image and likeness of GOD prior to the fall Adam kept GOD'S charge, HIS commandments, HIS statutes, and HIS laws. Showing the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another because that was who they were in HIS image and likeness. They did not need Tables of stone and ink on parchment to remind them. GOD's Spirit was part of who they were. They walked with GOD.
So when GOD rested on the 7th Day which HE blessed, and set apart so did Adam. He could not help himself it was part of who he was until the fall and even after. But the image and likeness was marred.
Abraham obeyed GOD's voice, and kept GOD'S charge, HIS commandments, HIS statutes, and HIS laws. Showing the work of the law written in his heart. The image and likeness still governing HIS actions.
HIS commandments, HIS statutes, and HIS laws were in force through those who wished to follow the prodding of the HOLY SPIRIT which is part of the image and likeness in which we were made. For in HIM we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(Luk 3:38; Gen 1:26; Rom 2:14-15; Gen 26:5; Act 17:28; Gal 3:19)
If the Law was added because of transgressions one could not transgress if there was nothing to transgress.
In that God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
In the image and likeness of GOD prior to the fall Adam kept GOD'S charge, HIS commandments, HIS statutes, and HIS laws. Showing the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another because that was who they were in HIS image and likeness. They did not need Tables of stone and ink on parchment to remind them. GOD's Spirit was part of who they were. They walked with GOD.
So when GOD rested on the 7th Day which HE blessed, and set apart so did Adam. He could not help himself it was part of who he was until the fall and even after. But the image and likeness was marred.
Abraham obeyed GOD's voice, and kept GOD'S charge, HIS commandments, HIS statutes, and HIS laws. Showing the work of the law written in his heart. The image and likeness still governing HIS actions.
HIS commandments, HIS statutes, and HIS laws were in force through those who wished to follow the prodding of the HOLY SPIRIT which is part of the image and likeness in which we were made. For in HIM we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(Luk 3:38; Gen 1:26; Rom 2:14-15; Gen 26:5; Act 17:28; Gal 3:19)
If the Law was added because of transgressions one could not transgress if there was nothing to transgress.
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Derogatory remark?
I may have disagreed with you, but I doubt I intentionally have you any personal insult. If I did, point it out and I will apologise.
I may have repeated what was said to me, I have found people dont like that very much.
However I have answered most of your posts.
The only problem is you don't like or understand the answers so would prefer to pretend that they haven't been answer.
However, you are right in saying I am not perfect in communication. Only God is.
Praise God He sent His Holy spirit to teach His children.
The question is do you ask Him to teach you?
Or do you just follow man made doctrines that resemble the Pharisees reading of the Bible?
How does God command you to keep the Sabbath Holy Today? (with bible verses to support)
Why are you not able to do it every say?
Most people still avoid actually answering either question.
I may have disagreed with you, but I doubt I intentionally have you any personal insult. If I did, point it out and I will apologise.
I may have repeated what was said to me, I have found people dont like that very much.
However I have answered most of your posts.
The only problem is you don't like or understand the answers so would prefer to pretend that they haven't been answer.
However, you are right in saying I am not perfect in communication. Only God is.
Praise God He sent His Holy spirit to teach His children.
The question is do you ask Him to teach you?
Or do you just follow man made doctrines that resemble the Pharisees reading of the Bible?
How does God command you to keep the Sabbath Holy Today? (with bible verses to support)
Why are you not able to do it every say?
Most people still avoid actually answering either question.
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this is exactly Ariel's position, in fact. She is saying that everything you do to keep a day holy, you do to keep your whole life holy in Christ, daily. as the fulfilling of David who longed to spend all his days in the temple, we, as He says through Peter, being built as lively stones for the city which has no temple, because the Lamb is its temple, as He says speaking through John, indeed in Him are every day in the temple.
if we walk by the Spirit, we don't need to do a different work on a particular day - because He has appointed another day, "today" speaking again through David - because the Father is always working and we will join Him in His work as He is the one working in us, as He says speaking through Peter again.
see Ariel's position doesn't even need to appeal to Paul !
the fact that they had to be told casts an awful lot of doubt on the position that man has known & even been commanded since the beginning to keep it. the first command to keep a sabbath is in Exodus 16, in the instructions for gathering manna. they had to be told -- this is evidence that they had not previously been told and were not accustomed to observing it: as you say, they did not know: therefore neither the Spirit nor the flesh had informed them until God spoke through Moses to them.
this very succinctly restates Ariel's position
if we walk by the Spirit, we don't need to do a different work on a particular day - because He has appointed another day, "today" speaking again through David - because the Father is always working and we will join Him in His work as He is the one working in us, as He says speaking through Peter again.
see Ariel's position doesn't even need to appeal to Paul !
the fact that they had to be told casts an awful lot of doubt on the position that man has known & even been commanded since the beginning to keep it. the first command to keep a sabbath is in Exodus 16, in the instructions for gathering manna. they had to be told -- this is evidence that they had not previously been told and were not accustomed to observing it: as you say, they did not know: therefore neither the Spirit nor the flesh had informed them until God spoke through Moses to them.
this very succinctly restates Ariel's position
Perhaps it's not in vain.
i understand more fully why Jesus sent His disciples out two by two. The holy spirit makes three.
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Ecclesiastes 4
9 Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their toil. 10 For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up! 11 Again, if two lie together, they keep warm, but how can one keep warm alone? 12 And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him—a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
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Actually Jesus tells us to use the ignore button..let me go find the, scripture
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Matthew 15:14 ►
New International Version
Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
New Living Translation
so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch."
English Standard Version
Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Berean Study Bible
Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
Berean Literal Bible
Leave them! They are blind guides of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
New American Standard Bible
"Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
King James Bible
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
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Matthew 15:14 ►
New International Version
Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
New Living Translation
so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch."
English Standard Version
Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Berean Study Bible
Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
Berean Literal Bible
Leave them! They are blind guides of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
New American Standard Bible
"Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
King James Bible
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
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