Gods will vs mans free will
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But they didn't come into world as fallen creatures. A&E didn't need salvation until after they sinned. And so indeed, God did freely and sovereignly choose to save Eve, while passing over Adam.
P.S. And not only did they not come into this world as fallen, but Adam for certain came into this world in the state of spiritual life since God breathed his Spirit into him when He created him. But none of us come into the world alive unto God!
P.S. And not only did they not come into this world as fallen, but Adam for certain came into this world in the state of spiritual life since God breathed his Spirit into him when He created him. But none of us come into the world alive unto God!
"We rejoice in the biblical clarity which reveals God's sovereignty in majestic terms. We rejoice in the knowledge of divine mercy and grace that go to such extremes to redeem the elect. We rejoice that God's glory and honor are manifested both in His mercy and in His justice."
Soli Deo Gloria.
https://www.the-highway.com/DoublePredestination_Sproul.html
He forgot to mention the denied un-redeemed.
There is no glory to God in this at all. None.
Soli Deo Gloria.
https://www.the-highway.com/DoublePredestination_Sproul.html
He forgot to mention the denied un-redeemed.
There is no glory to God in this at all. None.
Your getting the word salad going.
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You're tone deaf, aren't you? A&E were the only human beings to truly have "free will" because they were created "very good"; and therefore, were free FROM all evil influences and a sin nature, thereby having no excuse to not freely choose to trust and obey God. But this is not so with Adam's progeny. Adam's sons and daughters come into this world as spiritual stillborns, having no spiritual ability to choose contrary to their sinful nature -- to choose to become something they are not, e.g. righteous.
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There is only ONE way to salvation. And if Adam and Eve could freely choose to trust Christ, we can freely choose to trust Christ.
There is no special way for one group.
Acts 16:31
You said:
You're tone deaf, aren't you? A&E were the only human beings to truly have "free will" because they were created "very good"; and therefore, were free FROM all evil influences and a sin nature, thereby having no excuse to not freely choose to trust and obey God. But this is not so with Adam's progeny. Adam's sons and daughters come into this world as spiritual stillborns, having no spiritual ability to choose contrary to their sinful nature -- to choose to become something they are not, e.g. righteous.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~End quote~~~~~~~~~
There is only ONE way to salvation. And if Adam and Eve could freely choose to trust Christ, we can freely choose to trust Christ.
There is no special way for one group.
Acts 16:31
I can wholeheartedly agree with scripture - God works out everything according to the council of his will (not mans). That of course is just after we are told 'in Him' we have been predestined.
So the queation really is not that we disagree with predestination for it is biblical.. But rather as sproul states 'what exactly does the biblical concept of predestination mean?'
Would you say that God is unjust to pass over his enemies while he shows mercy to those whom from all eternity he has devided to save? For it is by sheer amazing grace that God would choose to save any at all, we all deserve to be passed over and face the consequences of our sin and rebellion against our creator.
Or would you say man has the deciding factor by his own will? I will choose if i will make Christs atonement effective in my life?
So the queation really is not that we disagree with predestination for it is biblical.. But rather as sproul states 'what exactly does the biblical concept of predestination mean?'
Would you say that God is unjust to pass over his enemies while he shows mercy to those whom from all eternity he has devided to save? For it is by sheer amazing grace that God would choose to save any at all, we all deserve to be passed over and face the consequences of our sin and rebellion against our creator.
Or would you say man has the deciding factor by his own will? I will choose if i will make Christs atonement effective in my life?
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You should scroll back sister.
All of my posts pertain to this:
From Rufus.
You're tone deaf, aren't you? A&E were the only human beings to truly have "free will" because they were created "very good"; and therefore, were free FROM all evil influences and a sin nature, thereby having no excuse to not freely choose to trust and obey God. But this is not so with Adam's progeny. Adam's sons and daughters come into this world as spiritual stillborns, having no spiritual ability to choose contrary to their sinful nature -- to choose to become something they are not, e.g. righteous.
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If Adam and Eve could freely choose Christ. And there is only ONE way to salvation.............then we can freely choose. Acts 16:31.
IMO, you can see the simple truth in this so you have to cast me off as some crazy nut job.
All of my posts pertain to this:
From Rufus.
You're tone deaf, aren't you? A&E were the only human beings to truly have "free will" because they were created "very good"; and therefore, were free FROM all evil influences and a sin nature, thereby having no excuse to not freely choose to trust and obey God. But this is not so with Adam's progeny. Adam's sons and daughters come into this world as spiritual stillborns, having no spiritual ability to choose contrary to their sinful nature -- to choose to become something they are not, e.g. righteous.
END QUOTE
If Adam and Eve could freely choose Christ. And there is only ONE way to salvation.............then we can freely choose. Acts 16:31.
IMO, you can see the simple truth in this so you have to cast me off as some crazy nut job.