Good deeds God listens to - after the cross as before the cross

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Angela53510

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2011
11,782
2,947
113
#21
"It is a stroke of satanic genius, and one of his most ancient devices, to persuade you piously to dedicate to God all that you presume to find good in the flesh, which God has condemned. " - Major W Ian Thomas
"God does not honor men and women and their deeds or their books or their organizations. The Father in heaven delights to honor His Son. It is only the Life of the Lord Jesus – His activity, clothed with you and displayed through you – that ultimately will find the approval of God." - Major W Ian Thomas
"The flesh, everything that you do apart from Him "profiteth nothing" (John 6:63), and there is always the awful possibility, if you do not discover this principle, that you may spend a lifetime in the service of Jesus Christ doing nothing!" - Major W Ian Thomas

Wow! I'm not finding this book "Major W Ian Thomas" in my Bible. Is it New Testament or Old Testament? Which version is it in? I have access to hundreds of versions and I still can't find it in my Bible. Which Biblical language was it written in - Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek?

I think it would be more to the point, if instead of a bunch of quotes by some person no one has ever heard of, if you just countered with the Bible.

I'm waiting!
 
F

FreeNChrist

Guest
#22
Wow! I'm not finding this book "Major W Ian Thomas" in my Bible. Is it New Testament or Old Testament? Which version is it in? I have access to hundreds of versions and I still can't find it in my Bible. Which Biblical language was it written in - Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek?

I think it would be more to the point, if instead of a bunch of quotes by some person no one has ever heard of, if you just countered with the Bible.

I'm waiting!

Truth is truth, and all truth is of God.
 

wanderer6059

Senior Member
Oct 27, 2013
1,282
57
48
#25
[h=1]Isaiah 64:5-7Amplified Bible (AMP)[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]5
You meet him who rejoices in doing that which is morally right,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
Indeed, You were angry, for we sinned;
We have long continued in our sins [prolonging Your anger].
And shall we be saved [under such circumstances]?
6
For we all have become like one who is [ceremonially] unclean [like a leper],
And all our deeds of righteousness are like filthy rags;
We all wither and decay like a leaf,
And our wickedness [our sin, our injustice, our wrongdoing], like the wind, takes us away [carrying us far from God’s favor, toward destruction].
7
There is no one who calls on Your name,
Who awakens and causes himself to take hold of You;
For You have hidden Your face from us
And have handed us over to the [consuming and destructive] power of our wickedness [our sin, our injustice, our wrongdoing].
[/FONT]
[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Romans 10:3King James Version (KJV)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]


[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]God sees the heart, and what happened with good old Cornelius was pretty special to wit was the beginning of the gentile church. God is not a respecter of persons or the good we do but the intent of that good and where it comes from in our heart. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]


[/FONT]
 
H

heavenly_bound

Guest
#26
One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. Now send men to Joppa to bring back a man named Simon who is called Peter. 6 He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea.”
Acts 10:3-6

I had found it odd that people claimed the Lord did not listen or take note of how unbelievers
behaved, only those who walked in faith.

Cornelius is a man who was being devoted to God yet did not know Christ, and the Lord heard
and recognised him.

Jonah was sent to Nineveh as a warning of judgement because of their sinful behaviour.

“Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.” The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
Jonah 3:4-5

Jonah preached and the people repented and showed remorse.

When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.
Jonah 3:10

Now some would have you believe that God does not regard sin, or unbelievers reaching
out to him. But both of the above passages demonstrate the exact opposite, it matters how
you walk and God very much regards good works as a good thing, even when done by unbelievers.

So let us walk in Christs ways knowing He has made the pathway straight.
if that be the case then there is really no need to receive Christ as our salvation. Thats what you are trying to put across,knowingly or unknowingly !

Yes God looked and received Cornelius good deed, but He still asked that the gospel of our salvation be presented to Cornelius; why? bc whether good deeds/behaviors or not; humanity still needs to receive salvation; meaning good deeds/behavior modification cannot save anyone!

God will appreciate any good deed or behavior from anyone but guess what? Life is only found in the Son; No Jesus, no life!! there is difference btwn living and existing! you can be living (existing) yet not alive!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#27
This is my favorite quote below from the "Major". I don't understand why this quote would offend Christians unless we are basing our lives on our own self-effort and consequently self-righteousness in our "good deeds".

He must have been in the army to have the title Major. Anyway the reality of the flesh trying to "do good deeds" is a truth that we all need to be aware of as we rely on the life of Christ in us to manifest.

God doesn't take our works and inhabit them or bless them. God reveals "His" good works and invites us to enter into what He is doing and purposing.

Here is the quote I love. I try to gauge my mindset to make sure I am depending totally on Christ and His life alone for the "doing of good works".

This is NOT a put-down of these activities as some might think with our natural humanistic mind. This is a revealing of the "source" of these works and to differentiate between the flesh's activities and the spirit activities - which can have the same "appearance".

Is it the flesh? Or is it from the life of Christ in and through us and Christ Himself is manifesting His life. Only God can reveal that to us.


Quote:

You may have harnessed the energy of the flesh in an otherwise quite genuine desire to honor the Lord Jesus in your life. The flesh, which has its origin in Satan, will go along with you; to survive, it is quite prepared to engage in every form of Christian activity, even though this may seem to honor Christ.

The flesh will sing in the choir, teach Sunday school, preside at a deacons’ meeting, preach from the pulpit, organize an evangelistic crusade, go to Bible college, volunteer for the mission field, and a thousand other things, all of which may in themselves be otherwise legitimate, if only it can keep its neck out of the noose.

The flesh will threaten, shout, strut, domineer, sulk, plot, creep, beg, plead, or sob, whatever the situation may demand in the interests of its own survival. By any and all means it will seek to cause every Christian to live by his own strength instead of by the power and grace of the Lord Jesus, and to conclude that doing so is actually a good thing!

The characteristic of the spiritually immature is that they are unable to discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:13-14), and the baby Christian, like the foolish Galatians, “having begun in the Spirit” still tries to be “made perfect by the flesh” (Galatians 3:3).

We must be particularly patient with those whose lack of understanding allows a genuine love for the Lord Jesus to be satisfied with, and sometimes to be quite enthusiastic about, Christian activities involving means and methods which are heavily contaminated by the flesh. These are more deserving of instruction than rebuke, for they are still in their spiritual babyhood.

.....The flesh will seek to produce the most plausible arguments in justification of its own illegitimate activities, even though these activities are only what the Bible calls “dead works” (Hebrews 6:1; 9:14) and not the “good works” which are truly the work of God.

“Good works” are those that have their origin in Jesus Christ, as Christ’s activity is released through your body because you present it to Him as a living sacrifice. You do this only by faith that expresses total dependence, as opposed to Adamic independence."



Major Ian Thomas: The Way Of The Flesh; from The Indwelling Life of Christ
 
Last edited:
F

FreeNChrist

Guest
#28
This is my favorite quote below from the "Major". I don't understand why this quote would offend Christians unless we are basing our lives on our own self-effort and consequently self-righteousness in our "good deeds".

He must have been in the army to have the title Major. Anyway the reality of the flesh trying to "do good deeds" is a truth that we all need to be aware of as we rely on the life of Christ in us to manifest.

God doesn't take our works and inhabit them or bless them. God reveals "His" good works and invites us to enter into what He is doing and purposing.

Here is the quote I love. I try to gauge my mindset to make sure I am depending totally on Christ and His life alone for the "doing of good works".

This is NOT a put-down of these activities as some might think with our natural humanistic mind. This is a revealing of the "source" of these works and to differentiate between the flesh's activities and the spirit activities - which can have the same "appearance".

Is it the flesh? Or is it from the life of Christ in and through us and Christ Himself is manifesting His life. Only God can reveal that to us.


Quote:

You may have harnessed the energy of the flesh in an otherwise quite genuine desire to honor the Lord Jesus in your life. The flesh, which has its origin in Satan, will go along with you; to survive, it is quite prepared to engage in every form of Christian activity, even though this may seem to honor Christ.

The flesh will sing in the choir, teach Sunday school, preside at a deacons’ meeting, preach from the pulpit, organize an evangelistic crusade, go to Bible college, volunteer for the mission field, and a thousand other things, all of which may in themselves be otherwise legitimate, if only it can keep its neck out of the noose.

The flesh will threaten, shout, strut, domineer, sulk, plot, creep, beg, plead, or sob, whatever the situation may demand in the interests of its own survival. By any and all means it will seek to cause every Christian to live by his own strength instead of by the power and grace of the Lord Jesus, and to conclude that doing so is actually a good thing!

The characteristic of the spiritually immature is that they are unable to discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:13-14), and the baby Christian, like the foolish Galatians, “having begun in the Spirit” still tries to be “made perfect by the flesh” (Galatians 3:3).

We must be particularly patient with those whose lack of understanding allows a genuine love for the Lord Jesus to be satisfied with, and sometimes to be quite enthusiastic about, Christian activities involving means and methods which are heavily contaminated by the flesh. These are more deserving of instruction than rebuke, for they are still in their spiritual babyhood.

.....The flesh will seek to produce the most plausible arguments in justification of its own illegitimate activities, even though these activities are only what the Bible calls “dead works” (Hebrews 6:1; 9:14) and not the “good works” which are truly the work of God.

“Good works” are those that have their origin in Jesus Christ, as Christ’s activity is released through your body because you present it to Him as a living sacrifice. You do this only by faith that expresses total dependence, as opposed to Adamic independence."



Major Ian Thomas: The Way Of The Flesh; from The Indwelling Life of Christ

Hey, I really like that quote! ;)
 
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#29
Hey, I really like that quote! ;)

LOL....you should as I first saw it from you and I have the book too. Great book that is full of truth and that lifts up Christ and the relying on Him for life and living.

.....is it safe to say that it has had a "Major" impact on you?...lol
 
F

FreeNChrist

Guest
#30

LOL....you should as I first saw it from you and I have the book too. Great book that is full of truth and that lifts up Christ and the relying on Him for life and living.

.....is it safe to say that it has had a "Major" impact on you?...lol
One of many :). Some are just more "quotable" than others. I appreciate truth expressed simply and concisely. Capon is another who is highly quotable.
 
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
#31
One of many :). Some are just more "quotable" than others. I appreciate truth expressed simply and concisely. Capon is another who is highly quotable.
I agree...I like Capon too. He's with the Lord now....:)

Jesus didn't go around and quote scripture constantly. He used words and concepts and told us to look at creation to reveal the kingdom of God. Paul said that the invisible things of God can be clearly seen in that which was made.
 
Feb 24, 2015
13,204
168
0
#32
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 1:1-5

Good works have their source in Christ and in God. No matter the vehical, or who does them,
they are Gods blessing to mankind.

So it is true good works need to come from Christ, but they all do.
Equally evil works have there source in sin and their rebellion against God.
Satan is either the source of much of its inspiration or its representative.

What is foolish is to divorce that which is good in this world from Gods influence.
Even the most evil people often love their children and members of their own
family. It is what makes it possible for them to find redemption unless they
have put these things so far from their hearts love cannot break in.
 
Feb 24, 2015
13,204
168
0
#33
if that be the case then there is really no need to receive Christ as our salvation. Thats what you are trying to put across,knowingly or unknowingly !
Because people do good things, it does not make them pure and holy.
A murderer can be kind and loving to many people, to have lived an exemplary life, it is the one
murder that makes them a murderer worthy of death.

So how doing good means you do not need salvation is foolishness. It is self justification that
brings slavery and repeated evil behaviour, where sin becomes normalised and accepted as part
of who we are. And were sin dwells so does death, and inevitably judgement.
 
Feb 28, 2016
11,311
2,972
113
#34
Jesus Christ didn't go around 'quoting' others quotes, other than those that He had already
called and chosen in His Time, OT and NT...His virtues and principles were always taken
from those whom He had called and chose...this is the only place that we can find
TRUE value in His Holy Words, for He is The Word and He is the One who gave His Holy
Words to His called and chosen, for all of mankind, then and now and forever...

do we believe that He imparts His Holiness and His Holy Words to His called and chosen?
of course we do, but the KEY, is discernment, not just listening to every wind of some other doctrines,
but we must listen to those who speak the Truth as we have read and believed in His Holy Scriptures,
if they don't align exactly with His Holy Words, then we are just parroting what makes us feel good,
and right in our own hearts and minds...
own words that we want to hear in order to uphold how we are living...
 
F

FreeNChrist

Guest
#35
Jesus Christ didn't go around 'quoting' others quotes, other than those that He had already
called and chosen in His Time, OT and NT...His virtues and principles were always taken
from those whom He had called and chose...this is the only place that we can find
TRUE value in His Holy Words, for He is The Word and He is the One who gave His Holy
Words to His called and chosen, for all of mankind, then and now and forever...

do we believe that He imparts His Holiness and His Holy Words to His called and chosen?
of course we do, but the KEY, is discernment, not just listening to every wind of some other doctrines,
but we must listen to those who speak the Truth as we have read and believed in His Holy Scriptures,
if they don't align exactly with His Holy Words, then we are just parroting what makes us feel good,
and right in our own hearts and minds...
own words that we want to hear in order to uphold how we are living...
Do you go to church? Does your pastor preach and teach and do you listen to him??