Some people have a problem accepting the Divinity of Jesus. Please note, I am not saying this is the case of the person to whom you were responding... also, some people do not like the book of John being so different from the other gospels. Maybe they want all four books to tell a basically identical story, whereas they can each be viewed as focusing on a different aspect and addressing a different audience, even as we accept them as being for ourselves. The JWs even change John 1:1 so that Jesus is not God, but a god. That kind of makes them polytheistic.
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Your reply made me think of the verse that says, if we are faithful with a little we will be given more. So if we are faithful, trusting with things like not worrying about money, provision, and not loving things, more understanding will be given to us. But if we won't be faithful (trust Him) about earthly things like money,etc., even the little understanding we have will be taken from us, because Jesus said, if you will not believe Me about earthly things, how can I tell you about heavenly things?
12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in him.
so, the "Kiss" could also be rendered "Do homage purely" or "Lay hold of instruction".
the "will soon be kindled" could also be "may soon" or, "quickly", "suddenly", or "easily".
so, I think it is unclear.
so, the "Kiss" could also be rendered "Do homage purely" or "Lay hold of instruction".
the "will soon be kindled" could also be "may soon" or, "quickly", "suddenly", or "easily".
so, I think it is unclear.
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Consider the usage here:
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Many times it simply refers to kissing but I think there is a connotation of worship involved. I would also see that this could be seen in the sense of lending strength to.
I'll look at it in more detail and get back to this.
God bless.
Jesus taught in parables so those with closed minds and hardened hearts could not understand and see
The bible had difficult areas to understand, possibly so those with hardened and closed minds couldn't see and understand despite their best efforts. But the christian has the holy spirit, and he leads them to understand
The bible had difficult areas to understand, possibly so those with hardened and closed minds couldn't see and understand despite their best efforts. But the christian has the holy spirit, and he leads them to understand
sure thing! if you check out the footnote at the bottom of this webpage:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+7&version=NASB
(look for the one that refers to John 7:53)
you'll see it's only found in later manuscripts... I've heard sometimes it's found in manuscripts of Luke...
so, I think, maybe it's scripture, maybe not...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+7&version=NASB
(look for the one that refers to John 7:53)
you'll see it's only found in later manuscripts... I've heard sometimes it's found in manuscripts of Luke...
so, I think, maybe it's scripture, maybe not...
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Not really. The gray area would in the text in question, not whether it should be included. If you say it shouldn't be, then you remove any potential for gray areas. If you say it should be included, the question is then iis there anything in the text that can be interpreted differently by different people and not/all still be right in their interpretation.
God bless.
God bless.
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That is true, this thread is not a matter of myself saying I have all the answers, but rather that Scripture is given for the express purpose...that we understand what is revealed.
There are issues that I have not taken a dogmatic position on, which I see as being in need of further study that I might be able to balance that which I am not dogmatic about with what is incontrovertible so that I might one day be dogmatic in those areas.
That doesn't mean that there is not another member of the Body whose study can help resolve what might be lacking in my own understanding, and that in fact is how the Body works. This is why we have Teachers, for example.
And my position is...no, we will not find "two reasonable, informed people" who have opposing conclusions to which we could say both are right.
That is the mythology, and the consequences of such a position is confusion, which we know God does not Author.
If there are two opposing views...only one will fit within the framework of the Revelation of God...not both.
Mark.
So can both be right? The latter half of Mark 16 is both Inspired Scripture and it is not?
Does the opinion of either side make both true?
No, either it is or it is not.
If I am wrong, and it is not inspired Scripture, yet I view it as being inspired, I will be judged according to my conscience if I violate what I feel God is teaching us in that passage, but, if it is not inspired me believing it is does not make it so. We don't create truth for ourselves from the provision of God's Word, we are demanded to find the truth that was given when it was revealed to men.
God bless.
There are issues that I have not taken a dogmatic position on, which I see as being in need of further study that I might be able to balance that which I am not dogmatic about with what is incontrovertible so that I might one day be dogmatic in those areas.
That doesn't mean that there is not another member of the Body whose study can help resolve what might be lacking in my own understanding, and that in fact is how the Body works. This is why we have Teachers, for example.
And my position is...no, we will not find "two reasonable, informed people" who have opposing conclusions to which we could say both are right.
That is the mythology, and the consequences of such a position is confusion, which we know God does not Author.
If there are two opposing views...only one will fit within the framework of the Revelation of God...not both.
Mark.
So can both be right? The latter half of Mark 16 is both Inspired Scripture and it is not?
Does the opinion of either side make both true?
No, either it is or it is not.
If I am wrong, and it is not inspired Scripture, yet I view it as being inspired, I will be judged according to my conscience if I violate what I feel God is teaching us in that passage, but, if it is not inspired me believing it is does not make it so. We don't create truth for ourselves from the provision of God's Word, we are demanded to find the truth that was given when it was revealed to men.
God bless.
so, you believe that somebody somewhere knows for sure if the Mark and John passages should be in the bible? am I understanding that right?
no, it's not us saying both are right... it's one person saying it's probably yes, another saying it's probably no, or one or both saying it's unclear...
sure... well, until we find the answer, it's unclear...
no, both can't be right... but reasonable informed people might say "I think so"... or "I think not"... a third person might say "maybe"...
why are you bringing up judgement? what I'm saying is that it's an issue that I think is unclear...
no, it's not us saying both are right... it's one person saying it's probably yes, another saying it's probably no, or one or both saying it's unclear...
sure... well, until we find the answer, it's unclear...
no, both can't be right... but reasonable informed people might say "I think so"... or "I think not"... a third person might say "maybe"...
why are you bringing up judgement? what I'm saying is that it's an issue that I think is unclear...