GREATER WORKS THAN JESUS

[newbirth]

Newbirth what in the world are you talking about? Don't fly off the deep end in your understanding of Love. was not Jesus beaten in his love for us? Did not Jesus die in his love for us. You posting scripture will never undo the fact that Jesus loved o one will ever deny that and I surely don't.
But because he loved us he loved he died and his work that he had to do for us in the earth to redeem us,because of his love he went into the temple became angry yet never sinned turned over tables because the men had turned it into a market place a den of thieves no I'm clear on what love is. The scriptures confirm it.

this is your quote...

Many facets to love newbirth! Love is firm ,love is powerful, love reflects the light of Jesus in us and reveals darkness as well. Love is not all huggy kissy feely feely emotional stuff we often equate with love. Love is war and love is difficult to embrace if your mind is not renewed.

implying I am mistaken about love..

Love is not all huggy kissy feely feely emotional stuff we often equate with love.

and your own concept...I posted what God's word says....

13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

 

[pastac]

The christians work and/or mission is carried out as a body, not as an individual. That being established, the church has reached and ministered to a much greater number of souls, nations, and causes than did Jesus while on earth.

yes and no. yes you are correct the body as a whole has the greater obligation collectively together. But the body as a whole is made up of individuals and that makes up the church as we know it. And body ministry aside each individual has a personal calling to carry out for the Lord. Plenty of work left to do. Great points

 

[pastac]

this is your quote...
implying I am mistaken about love..
and your own concept...I posted what God's word says....

13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

Never disagreed with you newbirth your read that into it for yourself. I only pointed out things you did not mention about the complexities of love! Looking for a debate you wont find one here. I posted what I meant and I stand on what I posted.

 

[newbirth]

You want scripture Ill give you scripture. In seminary I found this by James Fowler helpful. Let me put it in context for you. You can never understand Love from a spiritual plane if your mind is not renewed.

You can only try to understand I from the natural perspective and then you will still not grasp all the elements of it. Its deeper than most think. Anyway here is scripture.

Let me put it this way...you can understand love if you have the mind of Christ...if YOU don't have the mind of Christ...only you can say...

1 Corinthians 2:14-16King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

 

[newbirth]

Never disagreed with you newbirth your read that into it for yourself. I only pointed out things you did not mention about the complexities of love! Looking for a debate you wont find one here. I posted what I meant and I stand on what I posted.

I posted scripture not opinion....

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

John 14:12 [Full Chapter]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Why are we not seeing greater works

We can do nothing without Christ. May be that's y.

 

[newbirth]

We can do nothing without Christ. May be that's y.

good point....

 

[john832]

John 14:12 [Full Chapter]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Why are we not seeing greater works

Uh, I see the truth of God being disseminated on TV, the internet and through print making it available to nearly all in the world. I think that is what He was talking about.

 

[ELECT]

We can do nothing without Christ. May be that's y.

But where are the persons with Christ ?

 

[ELECT]

Uh, I see the truth of God being disseminated on TV, the internet and through print making it available to nearly all in the world. I think that is what He was talking about.

[h=1]John 6:28King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?


[h=1]John 6:29King James Version (KJV)[/h]29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[ELECT]

We can do nothing without Christ. May be that's y.

[h=1]Mark 16:16-18King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Given our Lord Jesus ascended to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit to believers, what is a greater work? Changing water into wine for people to drink, healing a body of sickness that will, nonetheless, later die, filling a net with fish, or being an instrument of the Holy Spirit to preach the word and bring another soul to being born again and birthed into eternal life? Is the latter not the greatest of all works, that which heals the soul and saves, that which is eternal in scope? Wasn't the greatest work of the Lord Jesus no miracle that proved His power, rather suffering and dying for our sins and bringing salvation to all who believe, creating the kingdom of God?


So, I think the greatest work is to bring the lost the word of God that saves, greater than even moving a mountain which, after all, would still only be a dead mountain, only a big pile of dirt and rock moved.

 

[Flamingspirit]

John 14:12 [Full Chapter]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Why are we not seeing greater works

If we are looking for someone to walk on water or turn water to wine, we'll probably never see it. The works Christ are referring to is that of the Spirit in the true power of forgiveness. My message about the riddance of money is rooted in the power of forgiveness and my desire for all to live!

 

[ELECT]

yes and no. yes you are correct the body as a whole has the greater obligation collectively together. But the body as a whole is made up of individuals and that makes up the church as we know it. And body ministry aside each individual has a personal calling to carry out for the Lord. Plenty of work left to do. Great points

The body also has viruses that hinders the progress of the body

 

[ELECT]

If we are looking for someone to walk on water or turn water to wine, we'll probably never see it. The works Christ are referring to is that of the Spirit in the true power of forgiveness. My message about the riddance of money is rooted in the power of forgiveness and my desire for all to live!

o ye of little of faith
the only thing christians cannot do is what God says not like or before or after

Could christians let God send fire down fom heaven ?

 

[ELECT]

Given our Lord Jesus ascended to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit to believers, what is a greater work? Changing water into wine for people to drink, healing a body of sickness that will, nonetheless, later die, filling a net with fish, or being an instrument of the Holy Spirit to preach the word and bring another soul to being born again and birthed into eternal life? Is the latter not the greatest of all works, that which heals the soul and saves, that which is eternal in scope? Wasn't the greatest work of the Lord Jesus no miracle that proved His power, rather suffering and dying for our sins and bringing salvation to all who believe, creating the kingdom of God?


So, I think the greatest work is to bring the lost the word of God that saves, greater than even moving a mountain which, after all, would still only be a dead mountain, only a big pile of dirt and rock moved.

Which is easier to heal the sick or forgiveness of sins for a person ?

 

[Flamingspirit]

o ye of little of faith
the only thing christians cannot do is what God says not like or before or after

Could christians let God send fire down fom heaven ?

My faIth grows more and more into that mustard seed. And Christians have been calling fire down from heaven for over 2000 years.