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[jchavez]

I did not say the earth was 6,000 years old, however, I do believe that creation is 6,000 years old. The earth was already here when God began his creation. The actual creation of the earth is never mentioned as being apart of the six days. The fact is that, we have no idea how old the earth is. But one thing is for sure and that is that the earth was created first, as the planets, sun, moon and all the stars were created on the 4th day.

Do you know what a star is? It is light from suns far far away reaching us at light speed. That light is many years old, because the distance it takes to reach takes sometime hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions, probably sometimes even billions of years to reach us. I am pretty sure almost no star we see in the sky is 6,000 years old or less.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Oh my goodness. You can't be serious? So you seriously think that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old? lol

Regarding dinosaurs, since we do not know how long the earth has existed, they were most likely here at a time prior to that six days of creation. There just isn't any information regarding anything that took place prior to the six days of creation.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Do you know what a star is? It is light from suns far far away reaching us at light speed. That light is many years old, because the distance it takes to reach takes sometime hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions, probably sometimes even billions of years to reach us. I am pretty sure almost no star we see in the sky is 6,000 years old or less.

You are speaking from science, which God is not restricted to. In regards to what you are saying, during the trumpet judgments, God is going to darken every star in the universe by a third. So, there goes your science.

 

[jchavez]

You are speaking from science, which God is not restricted to. In regards to what you are saying, during the trumpet judgments, God is going to darken every star in the universe by a third. So, there goes your science.

Where goes my science? lol I don't believe in your bible, so the promise from a book written by men supposedly given direction from God that has been translated over so many times it is bound to be exceptionally different from the original book makes no difference to me.

 

[jchavez]

Regarding dinosaurs, since we do not know how long the earth has existed, they were most likely here at a time prior to that six days of creation. There just isn't any information regarding anything that took place prior to the six days of creation.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Not dinosaurs, but hey, to each his own I guess.

 

[Ahwatukee]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Not dinosaurs, but hey, to each his own I guess.

Yeah, but what was here before this creation? Since we don't have that information, we just don't know. What we do know, is that there were dinosaurs.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Where goes my science? lol I don't believe in your bible, so the promise from a book written by men supposedly given direction from God that has been translated over so many times it is bound to be exceptionally different from the original book makes no difference to me.

I don't believe in God, does not equal God does not exist. Regardless of your position, neither you nor anyone else will be exempt from judgment.

 

[jchavez]

Yeah, but what was here before this creation? Since we don't have that information, we just don't know. What we do know, is that there were dinosaurs.

Yeah, there were dinosaurs, long before god ever created animals, and there were also human bones about 3,000,000 years ago too, that's a little before 6,000 years ago I think

 

[jchavez]

I don't believe in God, does not equal God does not exist. Regardless of your position, neither you nor anyone else will be exempt from judgment.

I never said that God doesn't exist lol, I have just said from the beginning that I don't believe a God exists, I never said he doesn't exist for you. I am not trying to make you not believe in God or anything, but when people start throwing things you can make with observations out the window, that's when it seems a little more crazy to me.

 

[ForthAngel]

Where goes my science? lol I don't believe in your bible, so the promise from a book written by men supposedly given direction from God that has been translated over so many times it is bound to be exceptionally different from the original book makes no difference to me.

This is another common atheist argument. The bible hasn't been translated over and over and over using the previous translations to make the new translation. The bible is translated from the original language manuscripts by all credible publishers. Do some research on the empirical historical evidence concerning the reliability of the new testament. The new testament alone has over 5000 Greek manuscripts and another 20,000 in other languages. Many of which date back to within 30-100 years of the original events described in the new testament. That means people were still alive at the time who could have been witnesses to the events when the original manuscripts were being copied for the first time. Not to mention the history recorded in the new testament was falsifiable at the time of it's writing.

Guess what? It was never falsified. Thousands of people witnessing the miraculous events and massive growth of the new church, and there isn't a shred of evidence to claim it was false. What do you think the church did? Collect all the writings from all the world denying it happened and burn them? The only writings claiming it was false came hundreds of years later with traceable origins. Not to mention the identical nature of the manuscripts being copied without a printing press. They all agree with each other at a staggering 99.5%. The only differences are minor things like emphasis on certain minor words or ideas.

 

[pwrnJC]

jchavez...wow...you are reaching around and biting your own tail. The Bible says "By your own words, you are exalted, by your own words, you are condemned." So one day, when you do face GOD (and you will), how will you defend that yourself from your own comments? You do not have to answer to anyone here in this Christian chat, but you will face your eternity, whether you don't believe a GOD exists, or whether you claim GOD does exist. The fact remains that how you choose to live your life here on earth is what matters. Are you gonna be GOD's co-partner, or are you going to rely totally on SELF and forge your own way without acknowledging your Creator?

 

[shebamo]

You could even tap evolution into your bible if you really wanted, what is one day to God? Maybe its millions of years. In the beginning there was nothing, just like in evolution, then came the heavens and the skies, just like in evolution, animals were here before man, and you could say that when God created the first intelligent being through the millions of years of animals that were before him, that was man.

Just noted he said your bible which brought me to his profile which he says he is not a Christian. So even though I have questioned things myself I found with the help of Christ and much study and absorbing the word, my faith is strong and there are answers. Scientists are just as divided as Christians and there is a wealth of information out there that proves the bible correct and scientists are bit by bit acknowledging that what they are finding is only confirming what God already said. But the bottom line is we live by faith in the SON OF GOD.

 

[shebamo]

Regarding dinosaurs, since we do not know how long the earth has existed, they were most likely here at a time prior to that six days of creation. There just isn't any information regarding anything that took place prior to the six days of creation.

In case people missed it a few years ago, one of the dinosaurs sitting on the shelf, when one of it's bone was being busted open and closely examined after it was aged to the millions of years, they found blood. That was the impossible. Left them with the big question. Aging process wrong? The blood was a fact that was staring them in the face, which would indicate a younger earth. Just thought Ahwatukee you might find that interesting.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Oh my goodness. You can't be serious? So you seriously think that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old? lol

Why not?
I do believe the earth is much older than that, but why couldn't the dinosaurs be "young"?
Animals go extinct all the time, some on their own, many by our hand:

• The rapid loss of species we are seeing today is estimated by experts to be between 1,000 and 10,000 times higher than the natural extinction rate.*
• These experts calculate that between 0.01 and 0.1% of all species will become extinct each year.
• If the low estimate of the number of species out there is true - i.e. that there are around 2 million different species on our planet** - then that means between 200 and 2,000 extinctions occur every year.
• But if the upper estimate of species numbers is true - that there are 100 million different species co-existing with us on our planet - then between 10,000 and 100,000 species are becoming extinct each year.

[SUP]*Experts actually call this natural extinction rate the background extinction rate. This simply means the rate of species extinctions that would occur if we humans were not around.

** Between 1.4 and 1.8 million species have already been scientifically identified.

How many species are we losing? | WWF
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[shebamo]

i love scientific theories. what about the universe expanding. for every action is a reaction, so what is this great expansion reacting to? I wonder that this mysterious "force" could be?
but of course most scientist avoid this topic like the plague, i wonder why!!!?

This is a good example of how they thought they discovered something ( expansion of the universe ) but it was already revealed in the bible. Makes me giggle

 

[kaylagrl]

i know this is kind of dumb but i always get so confused with god's existance and sometimess even doubt him. the bible doesnt explain things too well and makes everything sound weird...! where did cains wife come from?! if adam and eve were the only ones on earth and cain and abel.... And when did dinisours exist if science proves they were on earth before humans!!!? and science also proves that humans come from an evolution of monkeys

Quote "science also proves that humans come from an evolution of monkeys"

Well there's your problem right there. Try some critical thinking on your own.

 

[shebamo]

You could even tap evolution into your bible if you really wanted, what is one day to God? Maybe its millions of years. In the beginning there was nothing, just like in evolution, then came the heavens and the skies, just like in evolution, animals were here before man, and you could say that when God created the first intelligent being through the millions of years of animals that were before him, that was man.

A day to the Lord is simply showing he is timeless

 

[shebamo]

I did not say the earth was 6,000 years old, however, I do believe that creation is 6,000 years old. The earth was already here when God began his creation. The actual creation of the earth is never mentioned as being apart of the six days. The fact is that, we have no idea how old the earth is. But one thing is for sure and that is that the earth was created first, as the planets, sun, moon and all the stars were created on the 4th day.

This is all so true if you slow down and study Genesis carefully. The age of the earth can agree with science.

 

[shebamo]

In case people missed it a few years ago, one of the dinosaurs sitting on the shelf, when one of it's bone was being busted open and closely examined after it was aged to the millions of years, they found blood. That was the impossible. Left them with the big question. Aging process wrong? The blood was a fact that was staring them in the face, which would indicate a younger earth. Just thought Ahwatukee you might find that interesting.

Must correct myself ----which would indicate a younger creation on an older earth

 

[kaylagrl]

Can you prove he resurrected from the dead? Not trying to be offensive, but I believe it deserves a double standard. Also, you say evolution is a theory, I see it as fact, if you put a creature in different conditions over the course of time it will adapt, eventually over millions of years it will change to a different species. It is an observable science that can be seen through bones of our ancestors. Also I see most Christians still believe that evolution means we came from monkeys. That was what Charles Darwin thought when he first came up with it as a theory hundreds of years ago, through the years we now know that we did not come from monkeys, because if we did come from monkeys they would not exist today. We came from common ancestors of the monkey. Our plant is roughly 4.5 billion years old. This is enough time for creatures to change significantly due to adaptations to different climates, regions etc. If you pay attention you can see these adaptations happening as we speak, why are polar bears white? To blend in with the snow. Why can black bears climb trees? Because they live in forests. There are many more examples with all species of animals.

Quote "Can you prove he resurrected from the dead?"

Would you accept any proof given? If you have an open mind read "Evidence that Demands a Verdict."


Quote "you say evolution is a theory, I see it as fact"

It's called a theory,whether you see it as fact or not doesn't make it so.


Quote "if you put a creature in different conditions over the course of time it will adapt,eventually over millions of years it will change to a different species"

The finches adapted, they didn't become porpoises. Adapting and evolving are two different things.

Quote "We came from common ancestors of the monkey."

Ahhh so the theory has changed? How interesting.


Quote " If you pay attention you can see these adaptations happening as we speak, why are polar bears white? "

But its still a bear.