Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[Icedaisey]

Once again you have no spiritual discernment. You are haphazardly gazing through the Word of God like it is some college textbook with no understanding. Not even grasping the main spiritual truths that are written within it.

Sorry to be so blunt....but it is what it.

You don't like what you read and you make personal accusations because you're too proud to admit when you are ignorant of a thing.
Happy to be blunt. It may help you.

 

[Icedaisey]

You contradict yourself.

First off, there is no need to look to Bible Scholars. Have you not read Psalms 32:8 and the many other scriptures where God says to look straight to him and he will teach you.

The Bible is spiritually discerned. One must be born again and have the indwelling Spirit of God to understand the scriptures.

You can't read through it like some college text book to get understanding from it. It is spiritually discerned.


I'll say this, if you believe in Jesus and have been born again and have the Spirit you will also believe in the Word of God.

Once again the scripture is not some natural text book. It is alive and active.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. For the word of God is alive and active.

We also know faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word. Romans 10

Also, 2 Timothy 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

The Spirit doesn't go against the Word of God. The Spirit teaches us to discern and understand the Word of God. There are no contradictions in the Word of God. I question anyone who thinks that there are contradictions or advocates against the Word of God in anyway.

There are checks and balances. The Spirit lines up with the Word of God. It never goes against it. Anyone who thinks it does is listening to and entertaining a wrong spirit.

Now that's the facts.

I don't contradict. You simply once again don't understand.
I'll leave you to those ideas you have when your ignorance is overshadowed by your arrogance.

Bible scholars, no need? Please, proceed as you are and best of luck.

 

[1ofthem]

You don't like what you read and you make personal accusations because you're too proud to admit when you are ignorant of a thing.
Happy to be blunt. It may help you.

Apparently, you are the one that don't like what you read and are ignorant when it comes to the scripture.

Instead of asking God for spiritual enlightenment and understanding, you look to men and then wrestle about the scriptures blindly.

You are spiritually blind and cannot grasp the complete meaning of the scriptures. That is why you advocate for errors and contradiction in the scripture. .

So let's not try to turn this around on me...I'm not the one trying to add to or take scriptures out of the Bible to serve my own false theology. I believe every word in the scripture. God is God. His word is true and the Spirit verifies it. If you cannot see that, then you desperately need to put more study into scriptures and pray that God will open your understanding.

You need to be honest with yourself and the scriptures. If you can't do it for yourself, then I'll be happy to point out your errors.

 

[1ofthem]

I don't contradict. You simply once again don't understand.
I'll leave you to those ideas you have when your ignorance is overshadowed by your arrogance.

Bible scholars, no need? Please, proceed as you are and best of luck.

How blind can you be? You go on and on not wanting to take the whole word of God claiming that it is full of errors and contradictions. Trying to uphold your false narratives which have no clear scriptural support. You only have conjecture and maybe a few misapplied verses to support your foolish conclusions.

If you want to pick and choose between scriptures, and can't take the whole book to support you foolish theories, then you can't take any of the scriptures.

You seriously need to learn how to rightly divide the word of God....

Hint...that doesn't mean take the verses you like that support your own narrative and throw the others away. You have to take them all into account. Now, if you have a problem in doing that then you need to take it to God.

 

[Icedaisey]

How blind can you be? You go on and on not wanting to take the whole word of God claiming that it is full of errors and contradictions. Trying to uphold your false narratives which have no clear scriptural support. You only have conjecture and maybe a few misapplied verses to support your foolish conclusions.

If you want to pick and choose between scriptures, and can't take the whole book to support you foolish theories, then you can't take any of the scriptures.

You seriously need to learn how to rightly divide the word of God....

Hint...that doesn't mean take the verses you like that support your own narrative and throw the others away. You have to take them all into account. Now, if you have a problem in doing that then you need to take it to God.

That last part works for you.
Because you refuse to accept the scriptures that I and others here put forth that are in the same Bible you cobble out and then manufacturer your own theology to your liking.

See how that works?
The point is, every single denominational construct, every doctrine out there claiming to be of Christ, is taken FROM THE BIBLE!
Contradictions, errors, etc.... Let this to happen.

That's why you're ignorant, which isn't an insult. What is insulting to yourself is that you laugh at scholarship that helps to assuage ignorance.
You know absolutely nothing about how the Bible came to exist. Nothing. Which is why you're so easily enraged when you encounter those who don't agree with you. Education brings peace. You are on no platform that would permit you to point out the errors of anyone. Look to yourself. That shall keep you busy in that respect.
And the way you speak to people is proof you know very little about God and The Word.

Bye for now.

 

[1ofthem]

That last part works for you.
Because you refuse to accept the scriptures that I and others here put forth that are in the same Bible you cobble out and then manufacturer your own theology to your liking.

See how that works?
The point is, every single denominational construct, every doctrine out there claiming to be of Christ, is taken FROM THE BIBLE!
Contradictions, errors, etc.... Let this to happen.

That's why you're ignorant, which isn't an insult. What is insulting to yourself is that you laugh at scholarship that helps to assuage ignorance.
You know absolutely nothing about how the Bible came to exist. Nothing. Which is why you're so easily enraged when you encounter those who don't agree with you. Education brings peace. You are on no platform that would permit you to point out the errors of anyone. Look to yourself. That shall keep you busy in that respect.
And the way you speak to people is proof you know very little about God and The Word.

Bye for now.

You are seriously blinded.

You have no spiritual discernment.

You twist and pervert the Word of God to try uphold your foolish views. You can't understand the scriptures so you look to theologians and other men and have been led astray.

You need to open your eyes.

You are upset because you were called out for your first ignorant post. There is no way that you can jive your foolish theory with the complete picture given in the scriptures.

Instead of honestly studying the scriptures and seeking answers from God, you continue to darken your foolish mind with nonsense and go on defense by trying to claim God's word is in error.

So yeah, I'm totally being blunt with you now....

You can deal with it or not...That's between you and God.

 

[1ofthem]

Not a Calvinist.
But, lets look at what you charge against him. To be correct, Jesus would not have uttered a word related to what John Calvin, and before him, Augustine, had said. They were teaching about Christ after all.

TULIP
T- Total Depravity -....the view that sinfulness pervades all areas of life and human existence. Through the Fall of Man, humanity is stained by sin in every aspect: heart, emotions, will, mind, and body. This means people cannot independently choose God. They cannot save themselves. God must intervene to save people.

Bible:John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
can=
1410. dunamai =
dunamai: to be able, to have power
Original Word: δύναμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dunamai
Phonetic Spelling: (doo'-nam-ahee)
Definition: to be able, to have power
Usage: (a) I am powerful, have (the) power, (b) I am able, I can.



U - Stands for Unconditional Election
God chooses who will be saved. Because people are dead in their sins, they are unable to initiate a response to God. In eternity past God elected certain people to be saved. The saved people are called the Elect. God picks them based not on their personal character or merit, but out of his kindness and sovereign will. It also means that election for salvation is not based on God's foreknowledge of who would come to faith in the future.(Because they can only come to faith ever by God's electing them to his salvation)

John 6:37(*Greek text link)
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (Proof of what some call OSAS. Because it is God that saves, therefore the saved of God can never be unsaved)

John 17:2 (*Greek text link)
2.just as you have given him authority over all humanity, so that he may give eternal life to everyone you have given him.
Matthew 22:14 Many are called but few are chosen.

L - Stands for Limited Atonement
the view that Jesus Christ died only for the sins of the Elect,
John 10 (*Greek text)
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Matthew 15 (*Greek text)
24.So he answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

"Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).

I - Stands for Irresistible Grace
Irresistible grace is the belief that God brings his Elect to salvation through an internal call, which they are powerless to resist. The Holy Spirit supplies grace to them until
John 10:27 (*Greek text)
27.My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; no one will snatch them from my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all,] and no one can snatch] them from my Father’s hand. 30 The Father and I are one.” they repent and are born again. John 6:37

P - Stands for Perseverance of the Saints
John 10:27-28 (*Greek text)

John 8:31Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, “If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

1 John 2:19 (*Greek text)
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

The called and the chosen are one and the same. 1 Corinthians 1 (*Greek text)

Nice cut and paste job.

However, I've already discussed this several times. When you take it into context with the rest of the scriptures, it doesn't match.

In order to uphold most of the tulip theory, you would have to cut the word of God to pieces... taking out all the parts that don't line up with a man made theory. Again, keeping the scriptures you want and throwing out the rest is not rightly dividing the word of God.

I'm going to stick with the whole Word of God, you can do as you wish.


I know patience is a virtue and all....but I'm seriously running low on it at the moment. So I'm ending this conversation.

It would be fruitless to continue. You are willfully blind. You have shut your eyes and ears to the word of God.

Unless you decide to sincerely seek the truth, you will continue on in blindness.

 

[Icedaisey]

Nice cut and paste job.

However, I've already discussed this several times. When you take it into context with the rest of the scriptures, it doesn't match.

In order to uphold most of the tulip theory, you would have to cut the word of God to pieces... taking out all the parts that don't line up with a man made theory. Again, keeping the scriptures you want and throwing out the rest is not rightly dividing the word of God.

I'm going to stick with the whole Word of God, you can do as you wish.


I know patience is a virtue and all....but I'm seriously running low on it at the moment. So I'm ending this conversation.

It would be fruitless to continue. You are willfully blind. You have shut your eyes and ears to the word of God.

Unless you decide to sincerely seek the truth, you will continue on in blindness.

Or, it is you to whom you are addressing this post and the other. God said it and you don't accept it. Jesus died to seal his covenant that he was very clear about when speaking and teaching God's Elect. God's words, not mine.

And thank you for the compliment about the cut and paste. I like to insure the information I share is linked to its original sources, and clearly discernable for those with an open heart and mind to learn what they have yet to come across.
Just remember, that C&P post is always here when you're ready dear.