Has once saved allways saved got this right

[de-emerald]

I used to feel that someone wanted to come into my body,I could feel the people who wanted to enter my body, they are abusive, angry, releasing bad things at will,I can feel that if they enter my body, I will release negative emotions completely out of control.

But they failed.

Good honest answer i like that thankyou. when you say they where abusive and angry where theese abusive comments from a real person or thoughts you where hearing that you suspect where from a denomic source on the outside. ?

 

[de-emerald]

Lol

you Just want to play games

comming to a person is not the same as attacking and devouring them

why you are still fighting this truth is beyond me.

I am done trying to explain it to you

Teachings of Jesus to peter where spiritual so you do have to look at the word devour on a spiritual basis. anyhow it looks like you want to play tit for tat so im better of doing what i did with you yesterday and have dome breathing space from you. but feal free to have the last word.

 

[soberxp]

Good honest answer i like that thankyou. when you say they where abusive and angry where theese abusive comments from a real person or thoughts you where hearing that you suspect where from a denomic source on the outside. ?

It's something like evil spirit, not a real person, I could feel darkness of the spirit, the evil spirit Hit my body from my back, like hit a door, trying to open the door and wants enter my body from my back.And I'll feel weird, and I'll be happy to Let my various emotions release .

But they failed.I use willpower to resist those who do not know what the spirit.

 

[de-emerald]

It's something like evil spirit, not a real person, I could feel darkness of the spirit, the evil spirit Hit my body from my back, like hit a door, trying to open the door and wants enter my body from my back.And I'll feel weird, and I'll be happy to Let my various emotions release .

But they failed.I use willpower to resist those who do not know what the spirit.

Yep thats definately an evil spirit allright. did you get a shiver up your spine ?
you wrote in your last post you could feel its anger and hate etc. im just letting you know thats the same fealing can come from denomic possession to. there isnt any difference.

Your right 100 percent that its the gift of the spirit will power that defeats them.
The danger is that nature of an evil spirit gets a hold on you. like when you say you fealt its anger and hate and darkness as they can stay close to a person for hours,, an unknowing person wouldnt know,, I feal christians can be decieved this way too.

when you feal them and sence them its a gift from the holy spirit that we have.
spouts of denomic oppression attacks can happen for hours where you feel hate and anger, and for unknowing christian they wouldnt know and think theres something wrong with there nature. as your fealing hate or anger you can also get your thoughts decieved from denomic oppresssion and start arguing with someone, there really isnt any difference between oppression and possession.

I find singing helps. will power gets effected when you smoke, do you smoke ? anyhows im watching homestead on the tv, so wont be back untill tommorrow.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's something like evil spirit, not a real person, I could feel darkness of the spirit, the evil spirit Hit my body from my back, like hit a door, trying to open the door and wants enter my body from my back.And I'll feel weird, and I'll be happy to Let my various emotions release .

But they failed.I use willpower to resist those who do not know what the spirit.

Any evil spirit can attack ypu

like I tried to explain to him, a spirit entering you is not the same as attacking you, the question is can we be possessed. That is what the op is about, possession is not being attacked, spiritually or physically

spiritual warfare is real, we have to do what is said, be wary, demonic influence can happen at any time

 

[soberxp]

Yep thats definately an evil spirit allright. did you get a shiver up your spine ?

Yes, I can feel that, cuz they wanted into my body from my spine.
I use they, cuz I can feel many of them, everyone have a different mood.

I find singing helps. will power gets effected when you smoke, do you smoke ? anyhows im watching homestead on the tv, so wont be back untill tommorrow.

I smoke.But I didn't smoke when that happened. and not in a bad mood.

You are right. We should avoid arguing with others,even we are right.

 

[de-emerald]

whoah there! a person posting scripture in regards to your post here or any post, does not mean they are condeming someone (yeah I know some do but that is there problem). I would not hesitate to say that the majority of scripture posted would be to correct

It pains me when christians squabble, im sure it pains you to, I like to think that christians would not want to hurt anyone by fighting back much harder than they would to prefer to in a dispute. I prefer to think that christians dont like to score points in a dispute.

No christian wants to be inperfect and no christian would want a demon anymore than i would. passions are very high on this matter. we can become very protective of each other and as the good sheperd says we will lay down our life for each other. This is a real compassion christians have for each other. but the danger there is our compassion is sometimes seen as harsh. some scriptures which are compassionate can be seen as harsh to. so i do try to give people the benefit of the doubt when they have a disagreement. However for the faint hearted it isnt allways taken that way they wouldnt see a compassionate scripture posted to them as compassion and take it as harsh. im very fearful of that fact.

 

[de-emerald]

I do not believe the new Spiritual birth is a process. Rather an event.
AFTER you are saved, the Holy Spirit will work in you and sanctity you to conform you to the Image of Christ.

Every person that comes to Jesus and is born again, was addicted and a slave to sin.

As to your question, I believe a Born again child of God cannot be demon possessed. But he could be demon OPPRESSED.

sorry i havent replied sooner, Ive allways found it very hard to accept myself that a born again christian could stop believing in christ. The thought just doesnt compute to me, as im sure it wouldnt with many others. but are there circustances a born again christian could stop believing or reject christ in some way ? from denomic oppression ?

there is a process one must go through to overcome hurt that denomic oppression could cause you when your born again would you agree. ?

Whats your take and understanding of this scripture

New International Version hebrews 6:4-6

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace

 

[de-emerald]

Just want to say sorry to all those who i have not yet responded to. if you could just be patient i will reply after ive replied to others and a conclusion has been made.
I dont want this thread to go on for to much longer as i would rather talk about something much better as i dont like the darkness but sadly The darkness has declared a battle against us untill the end. but for now those who i haven yet replied to can take part in sharing there view with theese scriptures
Why did peter deny christ 3 times or why did Jesus say this to peter
Matthew 16:23
New International Version

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

what is your understanding of what peter said to Jesus to get this reaction from Jesus ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I dont want this thread to go on for to much longer as i would rather talk about something much better as i dont like the darkness but sadly The darkness has declared a battle against us untill the end.

If this is how you are going to treat people who disagree with you.

all I can say is wow

 

[p_rehbein]

Regarding the question for the OP: No. However, a Christian can stray from the will of God, and they must repent and ask for forgiveness for doing so to be reunited within the will of God.

 

[SophieT]

It pains me when christians squabble, im sure it pains you to, I like to think that christians would not want to hurt anyone by fighting back much harder than they would to prefer to in a dispute. I prefer to think that christians dont like to score points in a dispute.

No christian wants to be inperfect and no christian would want a demon anymore than i would. passions are very high on this matter. we can become very protective of each other and as the good sheperd says we will lay down our life for each other. This is a real compassion christians have for each other. but the danger there is our compassion is sometimes seen as harsh. some scriptures which are compassionate can be seen as harsh to. so i do try to give people the benefit of the doubt when they have a disagreement. However for the faint hearted it isnt allways taken that way they wouldnt see a compassionate scripture posted to them as compassion and take it as harsh. im very fearful of that fact.

there are some very dispassionate Christians who must be right or their world view will be skewed. as in, demons cannot damage Christians and so on

true nobody wants a demon, but they are very busy in several different ways. we have people who think they do not exist, people who look for them everywhere and people who think they can outsmart them. nope to all of that

you can read the varied opinions in this thread and then we have the simple but effective reports in scripture

whatcha gonna do

 

[SophieT]

anyway, I hope you come to understand Christians are not possessed by demons. BUT, much to the chagrin of some, they sure can have a field day bothering folks...Christian or not.

fear is a major player here as well as ignorance. Paul said to the Christians of his day that they were aware of the devils ploys. Obviously and sadly, this is not really any longer true for too many

BTW, there is more than one reason we are admonished to renew our minds. Know who you are in Christ. Reflect on scripture...Jesus Himself put the devil himself, back in his box simply by using scripture. IT IS WRITTEN

 

[de-emerald]

there are some very dispassionate Christians who must be right or their world view will be skewed. as in, demons cannot damage Christians and so on

true nobody wants a demon, but they are very busy in several different ways. we have people who think they do not exist, people who look for them everywhere and people who think they can outsmart them. nope to all of that

you can read the varied opinions in this thread and then we have the simple but effective reports in scripture

whatcha gonna do

wh

anyway, I hope you come to understand Christians are not possessed by demons. BUT, much to the chagrin of some, they sure can have a field day bothering folks...Christian or not.

fear is a major player here as well as ignorance. Paul said to the Christians of his day that they were aware of the devils ploys. Obviously and sadly, this is not really any longer true for too many

BTW, there is more than one reason we are admonished to renew our minds. Know who you are in Christ. Reflect on scripture...Jesus Himself put the devil himself, back in his box simply by using scripture. IT IS WRITTEN

When i was just a boy of 8 years old i thought i was walking next to my brother one day or so i thought.
My brother said me look up there on that roof. so i did. he then said you see that black stuff, if you stand on it youll fly like superman. so off i went up the drain pipe and on the roof which was 30 foot high. As soon as i stood on the black stuff i started to slide at a very fast rate, and of the roof i came and landed on my head, i went into a coma. lookely i survived. i suffered a broken skull from hitting the concrete, i suffered memory damage that still effects me to this day some 30 years infact. as a result of the accident i devloped bipolar of both bipolar manic and bipolar depressive and p.t.s.d of a complex trauma type.
my brother to this days swears it wasnt him, he swears was never there at the time when it happened he was very upset because he was getting the blame.
even to this day he gets upset and tells me he wasnt there. hes never been able to let it go. I have because i now realise it was a demon that decieved me apearing as my brother but at the time it happend i was so decieved that i really believed my brother was lieing.
It was not the only time i escaped death as a child. my memory came back to me of several other times simalar experiences that had happened to me as a child and when i confronted people and asked them all face to face they all said nope wasnt there wasnt me. events that had made me terrified as a boy growing up.
Events of a simalar nature where happening to me when i was just as young as 4 even 3.

So when christians say a demon is sent from God i get upset about that. because there effectively calling God a monster who would harm children to me, which i know he isnt.

When christian claims a demon can not harm a christian i also find that hard to accept because if they can harm a child under the age of accountability they will harm
anyone.

of course in effect christians are also saying your not a christian if your being effected by a demon. thats like rubbing salt in my wounds.

Then christians pull up Job and say here look god does control demons.
This is so sickening to me.

i tell christians nope God was teaching satan a lesson not Job but they wont have it.

Then to cap it all a christian here in this forum a suggestion has been made its predestionation this has happened, which ive chosen to ignore.

to make matters worse they dont see clear instruction from God that you can be damaged by a demon and will not answer any of my honest questions.

instead they would rather pick a fight with me personaly. which i am not in the slightest bit going to entertain.

I have made it clear in the op of this thread that its also about denomic oppression causing just as much damage as denomic possession also. but christians here would now rather acuse me of insulting christians. what a complete joke to some our faith is.
Because it excuses and dismisses the most important teachings of Jesus christ when used in this context. so i really do have to now question whether christians are either just blind or whether people in this thread are not christians By the looks of things.

I dont like it and would rather think people are christians, but how insulting and ignorant of the truth can a person be after reading my op of some very important matters. I really do feal theres many people here are blind to demons and wouldnt supprise me if there getting oppressed to. as there ignorance is obvious.

anyhow sorry for my rant the whole thing has got me extremely annoyed. hope you can be strong here and not let this effect you. i mean NOT RANT AND SHOUT TO.

dont become angry for one second but geewizz talk about testing your patience i think im ok and have passed. God bless

 

[de-emerald]

Honest question also baring in mind what Jesus said to peter. Jesus said to peter your thinking with a human mind of earth and not a mind of heaven.
Jesus also made reference to peter he was being consumed by the enemy.

Ok so please read this next scripture and ask your self is there demon consuming people
here. or should we just blame the person in this next scripture ?
I can spot a demon consuming all three people in this scipture and in allmost every passage and explain why. but what i would like for those who have shown me complete ingnorance to take the oppertunity to redeem them selves befor i do.




Luke 15:11-32 the prodigal son returns.
10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. (re-think)
11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

 

[de-emerald]

I thought i woud post a more amplified version where you can spot the enemy in each passage .

therse roughly 6 or 7 passages in this chapter in each passage the enemy is consuming people can you spot them and identify them and say why. but most importantly can we see in this passage people are not blamed for being consumed by the enemy. i have many more passages to come yet.

The Story of the Lost Son
11-12 Then he said, “There was once a man who had two sons. The younger said to his father, ‘Father, I want right now what’s coming to me.’
12-16 “So the father divided the property between them. It wasn’t long before the younger son packed his bags and left for a distant country. There, undisciplined and dissipated, he wasted everything he had. After he had gone through all his money, there was a bad famine all through that country and he began to feel it. He signed on with a citizen there who assigned him to his fields to slop the pigs. He was so hungry he would have eaten the corn-cobs in the pig slop, but no one would give him any.

17-20 “That brought him to his senses. He said, ‘All those farmhands working for my father sit down to three meals a day, and here I am starving to death. I’m going back to my father. I’ll say to him, Father, I’ve sinned against God, I’ve sinned before you; I don’t deserve to be called your son. Take me on as a hired hand.’ He got right up and went home to his father.
20-21 “When he was still a long way off, his father saw him. His heart pounding, he ran out, embraced him, and kissed him. The son started his speech: ‘Father, I’ve sinned against God, I’ve sinned before you; I don’t deserve to be called your son ever again.’

22-24 “But the father wasn’t listening. He was calling to the servants, ‘Quick. Bring a clean set of clothes and dress him. Put the family ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Then get a prize-winning heifer and roast it. We’re going to feast! We’re going to have a wonderful time! My son is here—given up for dead and now alive! Given up for lost and now found!’ And they began to have a wonderful time.

25-27 “All this time his older son was out in the field. When the day’s work was done he came in. As he approached the house, he heard the music and dancing. Calling over one of the houseboys, he asked what was going on. He told him, ‘Your brother came home. Your father has ordered a feast—barbecued beef!—because he has him home safe and sound.’

28-30 “The older brother stomped off in an angry sulk and refused to join in. His father came out and tried to talk to him, but he wouldn’t listen. The son said, ‘Look how many years I’ve stayed here serving you, never giving you one moment of grief, but have you ever thrown a party for me and my friends? Then this son of yours who has thrown away your money on whores shows up and you go all out with a feast!’

31-32 “His father said, ‘Son, you don’t understand. You’re with me all the time, and everything that is mine is yours—but this is a wonderful time, and we had to celebrate. This brother of yours was dead, and he’s alive! He was lost, and he’s found!’”

 

[PaulNew]

de-emerald, i love you.

and if i love you, how much more does our Father in heaven love you?

if you were someone else, how much would you understand and love you?

i love you.

anyway, referring to your earlier posts about being of a 'sober-mind'...

I drink and sometimes get drunk because it helps me get through the day.
and when i'm drunk, i say and do things that i would not when i was sober.

but from the bottom of my heart my drinking is not indulgence, and God can see that.

Sometimes its all i can do to not kill myself, and the only reason i don't is that tomorrow perhaps i can be kind to someone who needs some kindness.

you seem too hard on yourself.

allow yourself cigarettes if they help you get through the day.

let go of all the confusion people get swamped down in. who cares if you are baptized in water or not, etc, etc, etc!

scripture experts put Jesus to death because of scripture.

and in John 8 they would have stoned the adulteress to death because of scripture.

if you do your best to love your neighbor as yourself, then you fulfill the whole law, and you love God, and you are free.

and i love you.

 

[de-emerald]

de-emerald, i love you.

and if i love you, how much more does our Father in heaven love you?

if you were someone else, how much would you understand and love you?

i love you.

anyway, referring to your earlier posts about being of a 'sober-mind'...

I drink and sometimes get drunk because it helps me get through the day.
and when i'm drunk, i say and do things that i would not when i was sober.

but from the bottom of my heart my drinking is not indulgence, and God can see that.

Sometimes its all i can do to not kill myself, and the only reason i don't is that tomorrow perhaps i can be kind to someone who needs some kindness.

you seem too hard on yourself.

allow yourself cigarettes if they help you get through the day.

let go of all the confusion people get swamped down in. who cares if you are baptized in water or not, etc, etc, etc!

scripture experts put Jesus to death because of scripture.

and in John 8 they would have stoned the adulteress to death because of scripture.

if you do your best to love your neighbor as yourself, then you fulfill the whole law, and you love God, and you are free.

and i love you.

lol thanks brother ive come all over with a blush dont know what to say ha.

 

[PaulNew]

lol thanks brother ive come all over with a blush dont know what to say ha.

lol

 

[Sipsey]

The spirit can not dwell in the same body as a demon ?...

Ok how does a person become free of a demon then ?

are you also saying that if a person is possessed by a demon they havent got the spirit.
This is my dilema because youll all agree a born again christian will still sin.
Sin is sin and so is getting drunk and taking drugs. but funny enough drugs and drink cause just as much damage to the mind and makes it become unsound just as much as devoloping a natural mental health disorder, that can come from denomic oppression.
Most people dont know there present, thats why they go mad. i suspect that born again christians would fail to regognise denomic oppression to as and when it happens.
i know i have befor today. and i know im born again.

so how come the commandment to christians to keep your house in order or keep yourself clean in the body is written or dont drink to much
i know i dont have to tell you this, but ill say it anyway. its so you dont get reposessed.

Theres are many more references i can pull up here.
me personally i dont feal you lose the spirit or go to hell if you become reposessed after you have become a christian. but your statement suggests we do.

What would you say the number of people is who are possessed befor they become born again. theres evidence from the bible and history that its really verry high.

what ive found is since i became born again and learnt how to defeat demons i have been attacked more than ever.

Was Eve possessed by a demon, or simply believed their lies? You dont have to be demon possessed to sin.