Has the law been put aside? If so, when?

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Endoscopy

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Thanks for your reply.

What is the difference between the law being fulfilled and the law being set aside?
The Bible seems to say something different than what you are saying in that regard.
I go by what Jesus said about the law!!!

Matthew 5 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
 

Ahwatukee

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Before... until... until... Now...

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
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Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.


When was the law put aside?
Take your pick. See the list of evidence below.

Question: When was the law put aside?

Answer:

- The law was put aside when John the Baptist arrived.

- The law was put aside when Christ arrived.

- The law was put aside at the Baptism of Christ.

- The law was put aside in the Sermon on the Mount.

- The law was put aside when Jesus was challenged by the religious leaders.

- The law was put aside when Jesus challenged the religious leaders.

- The law was put aside when God directed Jesus to do the work of healing on the Sabbath.

- The law was put aside when Jesus spoke to the Rich Young Ruler.

- The law was put aside at the Transfiguration of Christ.

- The law was put aside at the Death of Christ.

- The law was put aside at the Resurrection of Christ.

- The law was put aside on the road to Damascus.

- The law was put aside when Jesus commanded, or condoned acts of Sabbath-breaking.
Hello Sketch!

The Law wasn't put aside, which He made clear in Matt.5:17. Jesus did what no other human being could do in the flesh, which was to keep the Law perfectly, fulfilling it and thereby satisfying it completely. By having faith in Christ the Law has been fulfilled on behalf of every believer. In the same way, Christ experienced God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. God's wrath therefore no longer rests upon those having faith in Him.
 

Dino246

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Can you possibly say that the commentary Jesus gave on the commandments cancelled that law as Moses gave it? In that case we would be told that Jesus was not true to the Father, Jesus is a new God who cancelled what the Father said. So. Jesus said you could lie, steal and murder for as Jesus explained the spirit of the law Jesus was cancelling? I don't think so.
I didn't say that, and I have no obligation to respond to hypothetically having said it.
 

Dino246

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That's very presumptuous of you. And wrong. In point of fact if you had read my post reply to your remarks you would not have written your post thinking to try and criticize me.
You said: "There is another interpretation: that by "my commandments", Jesus did not mean the entire Law of Moses. "

My reply post was on point. Thanks.
Here is my entire post, verbatim:

"When you conflate the commandments given to Moses with those that Jesus called "my commandments", you are led to the necessary conclusion that Peter, Paul and James were complete heretics and their teachings are not God-ordained Scripture.

There is another interpretation: that by "my commandments", Jesus did not mean the entire Law of Moses. "

:)
 

Dino246

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Here is some history I dug up pertaining to what was happening during the time of Christ.

People were beginning to see the advantages of living the kind of life the Jews lived for the true Jews were kind to each other and fair in their dealings so people asked to join their synagogue.

The Jews felt that if they joined they should do the rituals as they did, they called a lot of them the traditions like circumcision, dietary laws, etc. Some ex pagans would join for awhile and then a party would come up and off they would go forgetting all about Jewish ways. So the Rabbis decided to make it tough to join to keep these people out in the first place.

They made up 18 laws, and we know they did because it was written about but there isn't one copy of the laws to be found.

After Christ rose and the synagogues openly invited gentiles it was the talk of the town that they could join the synagogue and forget the traditions. They called the traditions Law of Moses.
It would be great if you could provide the source(s).
 

Sketch

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God does not ask us to earn our salvation through what we do, law is given to us for other reasons. So we listen to law for those other reasons, but we don't listen to it for salvation.
What law, and what other reasons?
 

Sketch

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Do you know the difference? Do you know which one(s) pertain to the Christian?
Insulting my intelligence again?
We are not under the law. Didn't you get the memo?
 

Sketch

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I pray to God you aren't teaching anyone.............and, you certainly (based on your comments thus far) are not qualified to teach any Member here.
I love you too.
Any other words of wisdom for us?
 

Lillywolf

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Insulting my intelligence again?
We are not under the law. Didn't you get the memo?
You insult your own intelligence by thinking to play the victim here.
I answered your former question when you asked if I was attempting to insult your intelligence.

Here you answered my question precisely as expected.
 

Sketch

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How can we know sin unless God defines it for us.? There is only one spirit that wants folks to believe God has set aside His definition of sin. Eve was deceived by that spirit
Well that's a terrible thing to say.

You are claimng that every Christian that does not promote the law as you do is under the influence of Satan.
Is that correct? Shame on you.
 

Sketch

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I go by what Jesus said about the law!!!

Matthew 5 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
How do you do away with, or undo a Prophet?
 

Sketch

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Hello Sketch!

The Law wasn't put aside, which He made clear in Matt.5:17. Jesus did what no other human being could do in the flesh, which was to keep the Law perfectly, fulfilling it and thereby satisfying it completely. By having faith in Christ the Law has been fulfilled on behalf of every believer. In the same way, Christ experienced God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. God's wrath therefore no longer rests upon those having faith in Him.
Thanks.

After his resurrection Jesus explained what he said in Matt.5:17.
Have you seen that. Pretty interesting.

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
 

Lillywolf

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Here is my entire post, verbatim:

"When you conflate the commandments given to Moses with those that Jesus called "my commandments", you are led to the necessary conclusion that Peter, Paul and James were complete heretics and their teachings are not God-ordained Scripture.

There is another interpretation: that by "my commandments", Jesus did not mean the entire Law of Moses. "

:)
Yes, I read it and replied appropriately the first time. Thanks. I won't respond to this again. That you can't see the point of my post and your even repeating your own post that I addressed in that reply is obvious. But, that's OK. :) See, what I was stating is, to put it simply, you err when you , as many do so it isn't just you, call it the (entire) Law of Moses.
In point of fact, and I won't debate this because the Bible says it already, IT IS NOT the Law of Moses!
 

Sketch

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You insult your own intelligence by thinking to play the victim here.
I answered your former question when you asked if I was attempting to insult your intelligence.

Here you answered my question precisely as expected.
It's called consistency.
I deliver every time. You an count on me.
You, on the other hand...
 

Lillywolf

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Thanks.

After his resurrection Jesus explained what he said in Matt.5:17.
Have you seen that. Pretty interesting.

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
You forgot a scripture. Matthew 5:18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Not everything is yet accomplished.
 

gb9

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Yes, I read it and replied appropriately the first time. Thanks. I won't respond to this again. That you can't see the point of my post and your even repeating your own post that I addressed in that reply is obvious. But, that's OK. :) See, what I was stating is, to put it simply, you err when you , as many do so it isn't just you, call it the (entire) Law of Moses.
In point of fact, and I won't debate this because the Bible says it already, IT IS NOT the Law of Moses!
well, Jesus said the Law came through Moses, so there's that...........
 

Lillywolf

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It's called consistency.
I deliver every time. You an count on me.
:) Oh, yes.
You, on the other hand...
I'll save you the keystrokes. You are incapable of insulting me.
You're not here to learn. You're here to goad. That's why you are an example God has much he wants us to learn from you.
Welcome.
 

Sketch

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You forgot a scripture. Matthew 5:18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Not everything is yet accomplished.
What is the definition of the term "the Law" in Matt,5:17-18? (Law or Prophets)
 

Lillywolf

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well, Jesus said the Law came through Moses, so there's that...........
What about that?
Came through Moses. It is not the Law of Moses.
John 1:17(AMP)
17 For the Law was given through Moses, but grace [the unearned, undeserved favor of God] and truth came through Jesus Christ.(A)

Cross references:
  1. John 1:17 : Ex 20:1


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