Hate

[oldethennew]

11TIM. 4:2.
Preach The Word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

1Th 5:14
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.


TIT. 2:15.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

11TIM 3:16-17.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

11TIM. 4:2.
Preach The Word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

1Th 5:14
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.


TIT. 2:15.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

11TIM 3:16-17.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good work



that does not include calling other believers sodomites or saying 'I hate because God first hated'

I'm sure you did not mean it that way

 

[oldethennew]

7.
we, hub and myself Love you very much, and we really do hear you and feel your pain!

it's time for you to move on,,.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

7.
we, hub and myself Love you very much, and we really do hear you and feel your pain!

it's time for you to move on,,.

didn't like what I said so you got personal?

seems that never gets old

you sound like one of those people who like to say 'God told me to tell you'

I don't believe in that stuff. it's a controlling behavior

 

[oldethennew]

didn't like what I said so you got personal?

seems that never gets old

you sound like one of those people who like to say 'God told me to tell you'

I don't believe in that stuff. it's a controlling behavior

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of course we got 'personal', because we Love you...
nuff said...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

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of course we got 'personal', because we Love you...
nuff said...

well you misinterpret what I meant by personal

but I understand how you do that so best to just not even respond to you

 

[Slayer]

your so called sense of justice is exactly that!

it is YOUR sense of justice. you cannot judge hearts...yet you have the nerve to be on here saying Christians are sodomites!!

wake up dude...Jesus is speaking to YOU, in this very thread...as you judge you will be judged and you are making it worse and worse upon yourself

I used to judge too...unrighteously...so I know it when I see it

I'm trying to be Biblically correct, in judging everyone by their fruits. We are called to judge every tree by it's fruits and we are commanded not to have any fellowship with darkness.

There's a difference between judging and inflicting punishment on sinners, God is the One who executes punishment we are the ones who rebuke sinners and proclaim the Gospel to them. The Gospel is good news to the elect of God and it's the worst news the reprobate can hear.

Since we don't know who Gods elect are we proclaim the same Gospel message to everyone. The Gospel is not just about Gods love, it's also about Gods hatred towards unrepentant sinners.

When a person is converted, they become "Christ like". We become like him so we love the things He loves and hate the things He hates. Nobody can deny that God hates sin so much that He casts unrepentant sinners into the lake of fire where they will be tormented day and night forever. That is the ultimate expression of hatred, I have noticed myself hating sin more and more every day as I become more like Christ with every passing day.

I love to see justice being served on the unrepentant sinners, all of Gods Saints are looking forward to judgement day when we will all witness sinners being cast into the lake of fire. We all eagerly await that day, when justice is finally served, we will all sing praises to the Lord while the sinners are receiving their reward.

 

[Slayer]

Punishment is not justice.
Punishment is deterrence
Justice is the making something whole again.

When we go to court because someone has stolen from us, the court makes us whole by returning to us what was taken and punishing the offender as a deterrent to more crime.

Jesus by His Mercy died to makes us whole, that is Justice.

However, in your schema Jesus only died for some so you feel justified wanting only their punishment.

Yet the punished were never selected to not be punished. But then that is okay because this morally ambiguous God and only loves some for some unknown reason.

It all works so well as long as one is willing to view God this way, and then request the adherents of this dogma to never question it.

The problem most Christians have is they judge God, instead of trusting and obeying Him. They refuse to believe in God as He is, they want Him to conform to their standards and expectation. This presents a big problem because we a fallen sinful creatures, with a very low intellect trying to judge a Holy and infinite God.

God never commanded us to scrutinize and judge everything He does, He commanded us to love Him with everything we have. It is actually sinful to judge God's motives, because we are hopelessly unqualified to do so. I was never truly liberated from sin, until I finally surrendered and allowed God to be God and me to simply trust and obey Him.

 

[pottersclay]

The difference here is, this is speaking of believers hating on one another.

God does not hate His children.
Believers should never hate each other, or treat them in such ways as sometimes happens here.

I hate it when your right

 

[UnderGrace]

The problem most Christians have is they judge God, instead of trusting and obeying Him. They refuse to believe in God as He is, they want Him to conform to their standards and expectation. This presents a big problem because we a fallen sinful creatures, with a very low intellect trying to judge a Holy and infinite God.

God never commanded us to scrutinize and judge everything He does, He commanded us to love Him with everything we have. It is actually sinful to judge God's motives, because we are hopelessly unqualified to do so. I was never truly liberated from sin, until I finally surrendered and allowed God to be God and me to simply trust and obey Him.

Well you only write this because you think you have a fool proof doctrine that cannot be questioned and to question it, is to question God. However, the very fact that it claims to have all the answers is the very reason is should be questioned.

It is very convenient to say we have a system in place to describe how God saves sinners, but we cannot question this system because to do so is to scrutinize God. No we are not scrutinizing or judging God we are scrutinizing "the doctrinal system" against what God reveals about Himself in scripture.

Speak for your self on the intellect part ....hahaha...just kiddin

Any church that tells you not question and search out the scripture for yourself is worrisome.

We only are able to love because He first loved us.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I'm trying to be Biblically correct, in judging everyone by their fruits. We are called to judge every tree by it's fruits and we are commanded not to have any fellowship with darkness.

There's a difference between judging and inflicting punishment on sinners, God is the One who executes punishment we are the ones who rebuke sinners and proclaim the Gospel to them. The Gospel is good news to the elect of God and it's the worst news the reprobate can hear.

Since we don't know who Gods elect are we proclaim the same Gospel message to everyone. The Gospel is not just about Gods love, it's also about Gods hatred towards unrepentant sinners.

When a person is converted, they become "Christ like". We become like him so we love the things He loves and hate the things He hates. Nobody can deny that God hates sin so much that He casts unrepentant sinners into the lake of fire where they will be tormented day and night forever. That is the ultimate expression of hatred, I have noticed myself hating sin more and more every day as I become more like Christ with every passing day.

I love to see justice being served on the unrepentant sinners, all of Gods Saints are looking forward to judgement day when we will all witness sinners being cast into the lake of fire. We all eagerly await that day, when justice is finally served, we will all sing praises to the Lord while the sinners are receiving their reward.

that is quite the expose

God Himself is not really wanting anyone to perish but you want to glory in the horrible fate of those thrown into the lake of fire

God is not willing...but you love it

thanks for telling us who you really are

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I just caught on...another one who thinks we have no choice

and apparently this seems to give confidence that God enjoys killing and so should we

that is simply not in the Bible anywhere

The problem most Christians have is they judge God, instead of trusting and obeying Him. They refuse to believe in God as He is, they want Him to conform to their standards and expectation. This presents a big problem because we a fallen sinful creatures, with a very low intellect trying to judge a Holy and infinite God.

God never commanded us to scrutinize and judge everything He does, He commanded us to love Him with everything we have. It is actually sinful to judge God's motives, because we are hopelessly unqualified to do so. I was never truly liberated from sin, until I finally surrendered and allowed God to be God and me to simply trust and obey Him.

right

and now you can't wait for God to punish people

and you judge who is worthy and who is not worthy

sounds more like hitler's SS on the move than Christians sharing the gospel

 

[Deade]

God can hate something, but we cannot afford to. Christ even told us to love our enemies and those that despitefully use us. Even our flesh is something we can loathe but we must be careful even hating that. It does serve God's purpose. I am with 7seas, we cannot afford to hate anything. All said let's just let the Spirit of Truth guide us.

 

[rlm68]

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

It seem that there are some on this sight that express a lot of hate toward others.
This is very evident when people discuss politics. A lot of hate toward the president.
Even in the BDF toward those who disagree with them.

Some seriously need to examine their fellowship with the Lord.

Interesting topic considering Christ instructed us to HATE:

Luke 14:
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Obviously Christ is not telling us to literally HATE anyone, He is instructing us that HE comes first before anyone or anything else.
But it is interesting that the GREEK defined this word used by Christ in Luke 14 as the word HATE: You would think there was a better word to be used!!

 

[Slayer]

Well you only write this because you think you have a fool proof doctrine that cannot be questioned and to question it, is to question God. However, the very fact that it claims to have all the answers is the very reason is should be questioned.

It is very convenient to say we have a system in place to describe how God saves sinners, but we cannot question this system because to do so is to scrutinize God. No we are not scrutinizing or judging God we are scrutinizing "the doctrinal system" against what God reveals about Himself in scripture.

Speak for your self on the intellect part ....hahaha...just kiddin

Any church that tells you not question and search out the scripture for yourself is worrisome.

We only are able to love because He first loved us.

If we don't accept God as He is, we are rebelling against him.

The problem is with sinful man and not with our perfect God. There are many gods to choose from, every denomination creates a god to suit their particular doctrinal position. The most popular god these days is the one which the prosperity preachers push, he loves everyone just as they are and he embraces everyone and allows them to live their lives exactly as they see fit. He doesn't make any demands and he is all about equality and acceptance.

The God I read about in my Bible, doesn't accept any person as they are. He demands that they change and surrender their lives and will over to Him. He demands nothing less than 100% commitment, He doesn't tolerate any rebellion or sin. He demonstrated His judgement on rebellious man many times in devastating ways.

God is still the same God we read about in the old testament, He still hates sinners as much as He ever did. Yes He did send His Son to save His elect, so that proves that He is a merciful and loving God as well as a righteous Judge.

There is only One true God, but people have imagined Him to be the way that they think He should be and not the way He described Himself through His Word the Holy Bible.

 

[Slayer]

I just caught on...another one who thinks we have no choice

and apparently this seems to give confidence that God enjoys killing and so should we

that is simply not in the Bible anywhere



right

and now you can't wait for God to punish people

and you judge who is worthy and who is not worthy

sounds more like hitler's SS on the move than Christians sharing the gospel

I have no idea how you managed to arrive at that false misrepresentation of what I said.

God casts people into hell because they deserve it, we are glad to see justice being served. We don't enjoy watching sinners suffer but we do enjoy seeing justice being served, because God wouldn't be fair if He let sinners get away with their sin and rebellion.

I believe that only the wicked want to see the wicked get away without punishment, Gods Saints all want to see them punished.

 

[Enocish]

I will probably be ridiculed for this, But to plant a seed, I will risk it, Could it possibly be Gen 3:15 and they are here for a reason,
consider it.

 

[UnderGrace]

If we don't accept God as He is, we are rebelling against him.

The problem is with sinful man and not with our perfect God. There are many gods to choose from, every denomination creates a god to suit their particular doctrinal position. The most popular god these days is the one which the prosperity preachers push, he loves everyone just as they are and he embraces everyone and allows them to live their lives exactly as they see fit. He doesn't make any demands and he is all about equality and acceptance.

The God I read about in my Bible, doesn't accept any person as they are. He demands that they change and surrender their lives and will over to Him. He demands nothing less than 100% commitment, He doesn't tolerate any rebellion or sin. He demonstrated His judgement on rebellious man many times in devastating ways.

God is still the same God we read about in the old testament, He still hates sinners as much as He ever did. Yes He did send His Son to save His elect, so that proves that He is a merciful and loving God as well as a righteous Judge.

There is only One true God, but people have imagined Him to be the way that they think He should be and not the way He described Himself through His Word the Holy Bible.

He demands that they change and surrender their lives and will over to Him

Well, I can write one thing that I know for certain, we do not clean ourselves up to come to God, that is saying that the work of the cross is not a sufficient work to save us to the uttermost.

As well surrendering our will to Him is not the Gospel either.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have no idea how you managed to arrive at that false misrepresentation of what I said.

God casts people into hell because they deserve it, we are glad to see justice being served. We don't enjoy watching sinners suffer but we do enjoy seeing justice being served, because God wouldn't be fair if He let sinners get away with their sin and rebellion.

I believe that only the wicked want to see the wicked get away without punishment, Gods Saints all want to see them punished.

dude you misrepresent God in the worst possible way

God is love

God is not hate

He hates sin because of what it has done to His creation and because it separates His beloved creation from Him

you do God no favors and certainly no one here either

I believe that only the wicked want to see the wicked get away without punishment, Gods Saints all want to see them punished.

well you have certainly made it plain you believe you are a saint if that is your idea of one

Paul calls the saints of God holy and beloved

you seem to think we are bloodthirsty people with an axe

the problem you have is not seeing the other side of the equation

that may be a reflection of your own character...I don't know

but it certainly is not God's character.

 

[Deade]

Interesting topic considering Christ instructed us to HATE:

Luke 14:
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Obviously Christ is not telling us to literally HATE anyone, He is instructing us that HE comes first before anyone or anything else.
But it is interesting that the GREEK defined this word used by Christ in Luke 14 as the word HATE: You would think there was a better word to be used!!

The word used for hate in Luke 12:26 is as follows:

hate = G3404
μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less: - hate (-ful).

So it can mean to love less. We have a parallel in another gospel:

Matt. 10:37 "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

I think it all fits together nicely.