Have you ever considered this??

[ImageofGod]

# 4769126, @2ndTimothyGroup


instead of reconciling, we can go line upon line -- here a little, there a little. the Spirit reveals all things that we need to know -- but not to another the exact same way. one will say i see this this way, one will say i see it another way.

but God sees all ways and all things. we are not God, so we see dimly -- and in part. here a little, there a little, this today, that tomorrow. as needed, as we grow, as we become more and more like Christ, as we experience life -- and notice things in life that others don't. others will say -- how did you come up with that? or that's strange and wrong. but it is how God has revealed things to you so far or today or at this time in your life.

but not to others always. but if we speak to someone who is willing to think and try to understand where we are coming from, then they too might be begin to see our -- angle. and say, yeah, i see that. they see what they see too, but now they see another angle. God sees all the angles and knows why people need angles to begin with. they are not whole and complete -- like Christ.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

You have faith in God like I do because we believe the gospel,

This isn't descriptive of me. Prior to my Powerful, physically measurable experience with the Spirit of God, I THOUGHT that I believed. I THOUGHT that I had True, genuine Faith. But after being physically Purified of the Sinful Nature, after having felt the Indwelling Power of the Holy Spirit (which nearly killed me), I realized that I merely had a "said faith." Yes, I thought of God each day of my life, but I was not saved. I WAS, however, on the Holy Path of the Lord. I have always been on the Path to one day being Truly Saved.

Since I was a child, I can see how different I was not only from everyone in my family, but those around me. My sympathy for the poor, oppressed, and struggling has always been overwhelming to me. My sense of Love for others has always been extreme, but I was not YET saved. I was not YET made Holy, Righteous, and Pure as was Abraham made Holy, Righteous, and Pure. It wasn't until I was Chosen by the Lord . . . the most incredible moment that I did not ask for; this was the moment that the Spirit of God came to me and lifted the Curse from my heart. The Day that the Lord lifted the Curse from me so that I could see, this was the Day that I came to conclusively realized that though I was Spiritually blind, I thought that I could see. My friend, this is the way it is for EVERY PERSON who claims to Know Christ but has yet to be relieved of the Curse of the Lord. They BELIEVE that they have True and genuine Faith, but they do not YET realize that they are Spiritually blind.

John 9:39-41 NKJV - 39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind." 40 Then [some] of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?" 41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains."

100% of all people who claim to KNOW Christ, but have not had the Curse lifted, ALL believe that they have eyes to see. It is not their fault that they do not understand this, for it is essentially impossible to understand. To Understand, one MUST be lifted of the Curse, or, the Veil.

2 Corinthians 3:13-18 NKJV - ". . . unlike Moses, [who] put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."

If the Veil isn't a Spiritual Fulcrum to Faith, then the story and purpose of the story of Moses are not only useless, but it is wrong. And having experienced, physically, the removal of this Veil, I assure all that the story of Moses is real; it is valid; it is 100% whole, complete, and reliable.

I really wish that we could sit down and have a face-to-face chat, as there is so much to be said about this topic. For, what I am talking about is the center, or Heart of our Faith . . . Circumcision of the Heart. The removal of the Veil. The lifting of the Curse of the Lord.

Galatians 3:10, 13-14 NLT - "But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law." ... 13 "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 14 Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith."

I will say it again . . . all people would be advised to read the Bible in a timeline, chronological order, but before each day's reading, pre-read Colossians 2:9-15, and each person would end up with a Transformed Understanding of the entire Bible.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ Jn.20:31

Why is that confusing?

I don't find Scripture to be confusing. I once did. But I find your understanding of Scripture to be confusing.

 

[Journeyman]

I don't find Scripture to be confusing. I once did. But I find your understanding of Scripture to be confusing.

Ok. So what's confusing about God giving people faith by the miracles Jesus performed, or by reading the gospel John and the others wrote?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Ok. So what's confusing about God giving people faith by the miracles Jesus performed, or by reading the gospel John and the others wrote?

How does God give Faith [by] miracles? Or, [by] reading the Gospel of John?

That makes no sense. We are granted Faith, and it is this Faith, which is granted the moment the Curse of the Lord is removed, hence Restoration, that a person is able to:

1) Be healed through a miracle
2) Understand the Gospels, or, the Bible as a whole

Being Circumcised of the Curse of the Lord is the beginning of Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom. Without Circumcision of the Heart, neither of the three are even remotely a possibitlity.

It isn't the Bible that is confusing, it's the way you're presenting it. I'm sorry; I am not trying to hurt your feelings, but just conveying that of which I am certain.

 

[Journeyman]

How does God give Faith [by] miracles? Or, [by] reading the Gospel of John?

Through those agencies of course. Those are reasons God gives to people so they will have faith in him.

That makes no sense. We are granted Faith, and it is this Faith, which is granted the moment the Curse of the Lord is removed, hence Restoration, that a person is able to:

1) Be healed through a miracle
2) Understand the Gospels, or, the Bible as a whole

Being Circumcised of the Curse of the Lord is the beginning of Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom. Without Circumcision of the Heart, neither of the three are even remotely a possibitlity.

It isn't the Bible that is confusing, it's the way you're presenting it. I'm sorry; I am not trying to hurt your feelings, but just conveying that of which I am certain.

I'm not offended by your disagreement. It sound to me like you believe some form of Calvanism. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but do you believe a person cannot, just from reading the gospel, realize he's a sinner and ask God to forgive him?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Those are reasons God gives to people so they will have faith in him.

This doesn't make sense to me. God doesn't have "reasons" to Grant His Holy Faith. I've been down this path so many times, here, this is old so forgive me if I seem blunt. But my Bible says the following:

John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."

That's what happened to Saul/Paul. Saul was seeking to persecute, if not kill, Christians. Paul was not seeking Christ. God chose Saul to become Transformed into Paul. The Transformation of Saul to Paul is the Living Allegory of what I'm writing of.

Ephesians 1:4 NIV - "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight."

Like I said, I've been down this road before and these passages above are flat out denied, and I simply don't have time for folks who deny clear and concise Scripture. They say that I am wrong when I am merely copying and pasting. These aren't my Words, they are owned by the Father . . . unless . . . UNLESS . . . there is an error in Translation from the original manuscripts to what we read today. These passages are not my opinion; they are the Words of God. And more, these passages that I am offering, they explain the Mysterious Plan of God that begins in Genesis and finishes in Revelation.

God Grants His Grace, which is Circumcision of the Heart, to those whom He has Chosen.

Exodus 33:19 KJV - "And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."

Ezekiel chapters 11 and 36 show us what this process of Grace looks like. Here is the chapter 36 rendition and notice the words "so that":

Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations."

The words "so that" demonstrate that obedience becomes the Holy Effect of Spiritual Circumcision. To possess a stony, stubborn heart is to say that "we" cannot understand the Ways of the Lord. This is what the Veil of Moses is all about:

2 Corinthians 3:14-16 NLT - "But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15 Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. 16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away."

This is all pointing to Colossians 2:9-15.

Sorry. I could just keep going and going and going because this is the center of our Faith. And, these are the passages that our "pastors" refuse to teach and talk about it.

I'll admit that I am sick and tired of posting the same things over and over again. It is all so plain; so blatantly obvious, yet few are able to see and hear.

John 9:39-41 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind." Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?" "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see."

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I mean, I could list out every church that I've attended, but I don't think that you quite understand what I'm getting at. And what I'm getting at is this . . . you didn't share the Gospel. In fact, you didn't even come close. Sorry. I'm not trying to be rude or cruel; I'm just telling you the truth.

If you want to know and understand the Gospel, you can simply described it; you have to explain it. When you can answer the three below questions, this will be the Gospel.

1) What is the Purpose of Christ?
2) What is the Work of Christ?
3) What is the Effect of Christ?

My best . . .

“1) What is the Purpose of Christ?”

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. …..And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19, 21, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“2) What is the Work of Christ?”

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4, 6, 8, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“3) What is the Effect of Christ?”

“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this of course isnt everything but Part of it all he came to preach salvstion to the world and save sinners by calling then to repentance through the gospel and thier belief

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

“1) What is the Purpose of Christ?”

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. …..And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19, 21, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“2) What is the Work of Christ?”

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4, 6, 8, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“3) What is the Effect of Christ?”

“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this of course isnt everything but Part of it all he came to preach salvstion to the world and save sinners by calling then to repentance through the gospel and thier belief

Getting there. The Purpose of Christ is first and foremost, to Spiritually Circumcise hearts of His Holy Elect. Spiritual Circumcision is the fulcrum of life; whether we live in hell or Heaven. This Purpose must be known.

The Work of Christ are primarily:

1) The Circumcision of Christ; the removal of the Sinful Nature, the Curse of the Lord,
2) Grant the ability to Turn and Repent
3) Send the Gift of the Holy Spirit
4) Die of the Cross to pay the penalty for sin . . . thus making us Right with God.

The Effect of Christ is Transformation; the New Man, a Roman's 12 Transformation and life that we cannot help but speak out; it is the ability to Love according to 1 Cor chapter 13, the Love Chapter, etc.

You have good verses above. Follow this path that I have outlined; it will serve you well.

I duly appreciate your efforts to understand these three elements of the Gospel. You're rare, believe me.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Getting there. The Purpose of Christ is first and foremost, to Spiritually Circumcise hearts of His Holy Elect. Spiritual Circumcision is the fulcrum of life; whether we live in hell or Heaven. This Purpose must be known.

The Work of Christ are primarily:

1) The Circumcision of Christ; the removal of the Sinful Nature, the Curse of the Lord,
2) Grant the ability to Turn and Repent
3) Send the Gift of the Holy Spirit
4) Die of the Cross to pay the penalty for sin . . . thus making us Right with God.

The Effect of Christ is Transformation; the New Man, a Roman's 12 Transformation and life that we cannot help but speak out; it is the ability to Love according to 1 Cor chapter 13, the Love Chapter, etc.

You have good verses above. Follow this path that I have outlined; it will serve you well.

I duly appreciate your efforts to understand these three elements of the Gospel. You're rare, believe me.

can you show some scripture saying those things or do I need to rely on your interpretation ?

if anything is biblically true it’s going to be written in scripture pretty plainly please don’t take offense or anything but for me this carries a lot of weight much more than what anyone explains

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

for me things like that explain why he came

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

can you show some scripture saying those things or do I need to rely on your interpretation ?

You bet. Just sitting down for dinner and I'll crank it out. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy. You'll find that I use the same language from the translations I will copy and paste from. The words I use are from Bibles.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You bet. Just sitting down for dinner and I'll crank it out. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy. You'll find that I use the same language from the translations I will copy and paste from. The words I use are from Bibles.

awesome I’ll look forward to when you have the time

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

can you show some scripture saying those things or do I need to rely on your interpretation ?

Part 1

So, I’ve offered an extremely brief outline of the Gospel. Here is the next and more advanced explanation of the Gospel, expounding upon what I’ve written earlier. The more time we have, the more I can expound upon these ideas. What I’m about to offer you is not whole and complete . . . this is just the beginning.

First, I encourage those who might read this to read these verses in as many translations as possible. The ones I will use, I have chosen them for their choice Words, making these things as easy to understand as possible. But ALL translations are good and useful.



The Circumcision of Christ as the fulcrum of our Faith. This is also the first Work of Christ:

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT – “When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature.” ... 13 “You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.”

Regardless of the translation, we will see that there is a Circumcision that only Christ offers. There is a uniqueness to it. Something is being cut away, and while the NLT is the only translation that uses Sinful Nature, any reasonable study will conclude that this is accurate, hence, Sarx . . . “the sinful state of humanity” as the NIV states it.

The text is telling us that “life” hinges upon this Circumcision. If we haven’t received it, we are considered “dead.” If Christ performs it, we have been “made alive.” There is no other Scripture that is like this, which is a clear Scripture that shows us what separates us from life and death.

This Spiritual Circumcision is represented in the visual of Adam and eve reaching out and eating from the Tree of Life; they would have lived forever. Jesus is that Tree, for only Christ is capable of granting Eternal Life. Anything that is spoken of as eating or drinking that gives life . . . that represents Christ and His Spiritual Circumcision. We see this Tree in Genesis 3 and Revelation 22.

The removal of this Christ is clear in Gal 3:13 and note that it shows us that Christ is equated to being on a tree - Galatians 3:13 NLT – “But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." – Eating from the Tree of Life, which is Christ, is what it takes to be redeemed from the Curse and obtain Eternal Life.

The story of Moses and his Veil. This, too, is a reflection of what it means to have the Curse lifted so that we can obey . . . and understand. 2 Corinthians 3:13-16 NLT – “We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away. 14 But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15 Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. 16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.”

Turning to Christ to have Him remove this Veil is the Circumcision of Christ. The story of Moses and his Veil is pointing directly at Colossians 2:9-15, just as is Genesis 3:22-24. “Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!" – But as you know, the Tree was guarded so that they could not eat, for the concept is that humanity would have to wait for Christ on the cross before this Gift would be given in greater quantities. Until Calvary, Spiritual Circumcision was mostly limited to leaders, judges, prophets and a few kings.

So what happened to Abraham? Why was physical circumcision instituted in him? Ezekiel clarifies this in chapters 11 and 36. Here is 36: Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - 25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations.”

The above is pointing directly to Colossians 2:9-15; the Circumcision of Christ. Now, all three of the Godhead take responsibility for Spiritual Circumcision. First God, then the Spirit, and Christ.

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - “And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

Romans 2:29 NLT - No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.”

Colossians 2:11 NLT – “When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature.”

This proves, conclusively, that Spiritual Circumcision is of utmost importance. The fact that we prove the Trinity in these three passages is remarkable. We need to know these Scriptures.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Part 2

Christ grants Repentance:

Acts 11:18 NKJV – “When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life."

2 Timothy 2:25 NKJV – “. . . in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth . . .”



The heart is circumcised of the Curse of the Law, a person is then able to see clearly because the Veil has been removed, they are granted Repentance so that they can Turn from their sins. But until that Curse is lifted, Holy Understanding is impossible.



Jesus sends the Holy Spirit:

John 16:7 NLT – “But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don't, the Advocate won't come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you.”

Who is that Advocate? Who is that Counselor? John 14:26 NLT – “But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative--that is, the Holy Spirit--he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.”

The Father sends the Holy Spirit; Christ sends the Holy Spirit . . . Christ is God; one in the same.



Lastly, Jesus pays the Debt for our sin:

Romans 3:24-26 NLT – “Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.”



If you notice, Paul makes a distinction between those before Christ and those after. This passage set actually shows us that God was able to make people Pure, Holy and Righteous through the first three Works of Christ, but though they were Pure, Righteous, and Holy, they were NOT made Right with God until meeting Jesus. This is critical in understanding how the Gospel “works.”

So, for example: How could David write and sing about his already granted Salvation but prior to Christ? Though he was Purified, David would have to wait for the Day of Christ to be made Right with God. David was Right with his Son, Jesus, but not with the Father; not yet.



What I have offered to you is not the “Meat” of the Gospel. These are the basic fundamentals. Paul talks about the Gospel being a Mystery in Ephesians chapters 2 and 3 . . . and though he said that he unpacks it for us, he did so in such a way that it remains hidden, to this day, so that only the Holy Elect might see, know, and Understand it. And, very few do. But you? Your ears are open. Your eyes have been opened so that you might be able to see. And if your ears and eyes are open, then these things will be as clear as a noonday sun.

These teachings are obvious to those who have had the Veil removed. Anyone whose heart has been circumcised, they will say to themselves, “Oh . . . my . . . word. So this is why I am not like anyone else. This is why I am different. This is why I am suffering. It is True . . . the Lord came to give eyes so that we might see, though we are not physically blind.

You quoted John 39 above . . . and you are spot on, for John 9:39 is directly pointing to Colossians 2:9-15. John 9:39 is absolutely speaking of what Paul wrote about in Colossians 2:9-15.

John 9:39-41 NLT - 39 Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind." 40 Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?" 41 "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see.

Again, this is not complete. This position contains the basics. There is so much more! Hundreds of verses all throughout the Bible. Just scratching the surface.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

@Pilgrimshope

Please keep in mind that I didn't even proofread what I wrote. I sat down and simply typed these things out. This means that I could have done an even BETTER job if given the time.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Part 1

So, I’ve offered an extremely brief outline of the Gospel. Here is the next and more advanced explanation of the Gospel, expounding upon what I’ve written earlier. The more time we have, the more I can expound upon these ideas. What I’m about to offer you is not whole and complete . . . this is just the beginning.

First, I encourage those who might read this to read these verses in as many translations as possible. The ones I will use, I have chosen them for their choice Words, making these things as easy to understand as possible. But ALL translations are good and useful.



The Circumcision of Christ as the fulcrum of our Faith. This is also the first Work of Christ:

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT – “When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature.” ... 13 “You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.”

Regardless of the translation, we will see that there is a Circumcision that only Christ offers. There is a uniqueness to it. Something is being cut away, and while the NLT is the only translation that uses Sinful Nature, any reasonable study will conclude that this is accurate, hence, Sarx . . . “the sinful state of humanity” as the NIV states it.

The text is telling us that “life” hinges upon this Circumcision. If we haven’t received it, we are considered “dead.” If Christ performs it, we have been “made alive.” There is no other Scripture that is like this, which is a clear Scripture that shows us what separates us from life and death.

This Spiritual Circumcision is represented in the visual of Adam and eve reaching out and eating from the Tree of Life; they would have lived forever. Jesus is that Tree, for only Christ is capable of granting Eternal Life. Anything that is spoken of as eating or drinking that gives life . . . that represents Christ and His Spiritual Circumcision. We see this Tree in Genesis 3 and Revelation 22.

The removal of this Christ is clear in Gal 3:13 and note that it shows us that Christ is equated to being on a tree - Galatians 3:13 NLT – “But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." – Eating from the Tree of Life, which is Christ, is what it takes to be redeemed from the Curse and obtain Eternal Life.

The story of Moses and his Veil. This, too, is a reflection of what it means to have the Curse lifted so that we can obey . . . and understand. 2 Corinthians 3:13-16 NLT – “We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away. 14 But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15 Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. 16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.”

Turning to Christ to have Him remove this Veil is the Circumcision of Christ. The story of Moses and his Veil is pointing directly at Colossians 2:9-15, just as is Genesis 3:22-24. “Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!" – But as you know, the Tree was guarded so that they could not eat, for the concept is that humanity would have to wait for Christ on the cross before this Gift would be given in greater quantities. Until Calvary, Spiritual Circumcision was mostly limited to leaders, judges, prophets and a few kings.

So what happened to Abraham? Why was physical circumcision instituted in him? Ezekiel clarifies this in chapters 11 and 36. Here is 36: Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - 25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations.”

The above is pointing directly to Colossians 2:9-15; the Circumcision of Christ. Now, all three of the Godhead take responsibility for Spiritual Circumcision. First God, then the Spirit, and Christ.

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - “And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

Romans 2:29 NLT - No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.”

Colossians 2:11 NLT – “When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature.”

This proves, conclusively, that Spiritual Circumcision is of utmost importance. The fact that we prove the Trinity in these three passages is remarkable. We need to know these Scriptures.

im still not seeing any scripture saying it is the thing it’s more like a long explanation of your view by you . What I was saying is can you show what you had said in the post I replied to in scripture ?

like when you said thosebtheee “keys of the gospel “

what was Christs purpose in coming . Do you have any scripture that says “ this is why Christ came ? Like this

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see how I don’t need to add any thinking or ideas or interpretations to that but it’s Christ saying “ this is the reason I came into the world “ I believe scripture is already explained in its context and simple.

I believe the Bible explains itself and doesn’t require long drawn out explaination of each verse and what it means independent from the context

my own personal belief is that we don’t need to do that but just accept what’s written down and let that form our thinking

that being said you could a
Have point but I’m certainly not following it I was hoping for some scripture that’s clear without having to go in all the round about explaination part

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

im still not seeing any scripture saying it is the thing it’s more like a long explanation of your view by you . What I was saying is can you show what you had said in the post I replied to in scripture ?

like when you said thosebtheee “keys of the gospel “

what was Christs purpose in coming . Do you have any scripture that says “ this is why Christ came ? Like this

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see how I don’t need to add any thinking or ideas or interpretations to that but it’s Christ saying “ this is the reason I came into the world “ I believe scripture is already explained in its context and simple.

I believe the Bible explains itself and doesn’t require long drawn out explaination of each verse and what it means independent from the context

my own personal belief is that we don’t need to do that but just accept what’s written down and let that form our thinking

that being said you could a
Have point but I’m certainly not following it I was hoping for some scripture that’s clear without having to go in all the round about explaination part

My apologies. I miswrote when I offered:

"Your ears are open. Your eyes have been opened so that you might be able to see. And if your ears and eyes are open, then these things will be as clear as a noonday sun. "

Peace to you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

My apologies. I miswrote when I offered:

"Your ears are open. Your eyes have been opened so that you might be able to see. And if your ears and eyes are open, then these things will be as clear as a noonday sun. "

Peace to you

lol did you miss that I said “ you may have a point but I personally am not following it ? As Christians we have to learn that if someone doesn’t agree or doesn’t follow what we are saying it isn’t an offense

but yeah my eyes and ears are open to things in scripture I personally think all the interpretation independent from what it says is something to be avoided

to be clear this is not intended as an offense to you or an attack , I’m not saying you don’t have a point im not saying you don’t know anything or are a false teacher ect ect…..

God bless though

 

[Journeyman]

This doesn't make sense to me. God doesn't have "reasons" to Grant His Holy Faith. I've been down this path so many times, here, this is old so forgive me if I seem blunt.

You don't have to apologize to me for being frank. I like I like it when people say what they mean and we can do that without being rude.

faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom.10:17

By "the word of God", Paul means the scriptures,

How then shall they call on him in whom they have notbelieved? and how shall they believe in him of whom they havenot heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Rom.10:14

This is why God inspired men to write,

these are written, that ye might believe Jn.20:21

Your belief that sinners can't know God from the scriptures isn't true. If you disagree, then explain the verses I cited. Don't ignore them. Don't hop over to another passage. Deal with what I just cited. Ok?

But my Bible says the following:

John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."

Yes, he chose them based on what he said to them in the verses preceding vs.16, which is abiding in him.

And when I showed you how God chooses people rich in faith and looks on the humble, you didnt comment on those passages.

That's what happened to Saul/Paul. Saul was seeking to persecute, if not kill, Christians. Paul was not seeking Christ. God chose Saul to become Transformed into Paul. The Transformation of Saul to Paul is the Living Allegory of what I'm writing of.

Paul was a man of integrity even before he came to know the Lord. He wasn't chosen arbitrarily. If I heard God audibly and was then stricken blind by him, I'm sure I'd pay close attention to what he said. This is what God gave Paul and for this reason,

For unto whomsoevermuch is given, of him shall be much required Lk.12:48

And Paul didn't disappoint.

Ephesians 1:4 NIV - "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight."

Like I said, I've been down this road before and these passages above are flat out denied, and I simply don't have time for folks who deny clear and concise Scripture. They say that I am wrong when I am merely copying and pasting. These aren't my Words, they are owned by the Father . . . unless . . . UNLESS . . . there is an error in Translation from the original manuscripts to what we read today. These passages are not my opinion; they are the Words of God. And more, these passages that I am offering, they explain the Mysterious Plan of God that begins in Genesis and finishes in Revelation.

You're interpreting Eph.1:4 to mean God arbitrarily chooses people. That's not what Paul means. He's saying God chose those in Christ inother words, believers....people of faith.

And when Paul says "US" and •WE"in vss.3,4,5,7,8,9,11 and 12, he means the Jewish people.

Then he says,

In whom YE also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of yours alvation:[/b] in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed withthat holy Spirit of promise, vs.13

Ye (gentiles) had faith after hearing the gospel.

If you can't see at this time the plain reading of the passages you're citing, there's no point in continuing this subject.

 

[Journeyman]

Galatians 3:10, 13-14 NLT - "But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law." ... 13 "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 14 Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith."

This is one of if not the most distorted passages of scripture ever perpetrated on the church.

Can you understand that when Paul says, Cursed is anyone who doesn't continue in all the law....he means Jesus was lied about? He means Jesus wasnt cursed according to the law? He means people bore false witness against Jesus?