Have you sinned on CC today?

[Prov910]

Let me ask one more time: So, if you ever sin on purpose you go to hell?

First of all, it's not mine to judge. But my opinion in regards to me is that if I "deliberately keep on sinning" I can expect judgment and a raging fire. That's what Hebrews 26 tells me.


But if I slip up and commit a sin—as we all, unfortunately, do occasionally—I don't think that's the same thing as to "deliberately keep on sinning." Nonetheless, I don't want to test this. I try to avoid sin.

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So I answered your question. Let me ask you one: What's your rationale for ignoring Hebrews 10:26-27?

Not really.

Let me ask you one: What's your rationale for ignoring Hebrews 10:26-27?

Was your sentence above a willful sin, or accidental in its bearing false witness against my person?

Okay, perhaps I've misunderstood you. So you do actually believe that:
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26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. (Hebrews 10:26-27)​

If you interpret this passage to mean something other than judgement for deliberately keeping on sinning, then what do you base your interpretation on?

Perhaps? No, what really happened is you made a false accusation based upon exactly nothing I either stated or implied. Try being an honest Christian with others here.

Do you sin on purpose, or is it accidental? If you sin on purpose (and you do) why does this not apply to you? You too then will be consumed by a raging fire, you're an enemy of God.

Enemies of God refers to the lost, not to the saved. These never possessed salvation, as they prove.

(eternally-gratefull and dcontroversal "like" this post.)

Wow. Just wow. Do you ever go back and read what you've written in your posts? If you do, do you feel good about it? What on my part warranted this post of yours?

Are you really a preacher? I mean a real minister for a church? If so, do you speak to members of your flock in this manner?

I don't care for the tone taken by some in this thread. If people can't speak in a civil manner in discussing a bible topic, I think I will refrain from posting here for the time being. /shakes head

Is the way "preacher" responded above the way a Christian should carry on a discussion about a bible topic? And what's with eternally-gratefull and dcontroversal giving a "like" to the offending post above. Apparently this is the sort of dialog they want to see on CC.

Really, something should be done about behavior like this. /shakes head


EDIT: I've changed the fellow's name to "preacher" in the exchange above. Surprisingly I think he might actually be a minister of a church. Who knows, he could be delivering a sermon to his congregation this morning.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Just a couple questions:

1. You say you won't post on that thread anymore for awhile, yet you carried over some of the posts onto THIS thread to comment on. Why? You're just trading in posting on that thread to post on this one about the same subject.

2. Why speculate why EG and Dcon gave a like to Preacher's posts? Why not just ask them outright?

Is the way "preacher" responded above the way a Christian should carry on a discussion about a bible topic? And what's with eternally-gratefull and dcontroversal giving a "like" to the offending post above. Apparently this is the sort of dialog they want to see on CC.

Really, something should be done about behavior like this. /shakes head


EDIT: I've changed the fellow's name to "preacher" in the exchange above. Surprisingly I think he might actually be a minister of a church. Who knows, he could be delivering a sermon to his congregation this morning.

 

[preacher4truth]

Is the way preacher responded above the way a Christian should carry on a discussion about a bible topic?

More importantly, was your accusation and bearing false witness on me Christian behavior? Was there a need for you to bear false witness and make it appear I reject Scripture?

Grow up. I don't put up with that callow nonsense of false accusations. They're needless.

Here it is again, and it is nothing for me to be ashamed of; I called you on your poor behavior, and you're whining about it being non-Christian:

Perhaps? No, what really happened is you made a false accusation based upon exactly nothing I either stated or implied. Try being an honest Christian with others here.

Do you sin on purpose, or is it accidental? If you sin on purpose (and you do) why does this not apply to you? You too then will be consumed by a raging fire, you're an enemy of God.

Enemies of God refers to the lost, not to the saved. These never possessed salvation, as they prove.

Note the last half of the above, after calling you on your behavior, addresses the issue. And you? You're still going ad hominem.

 

[Prov910]

I'm curious, are you a real minister? Or is that just a moniker for a message board?

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm curious, are you a real minister? Or is that just a moniker for a message board?

Of course I am, which is why I'm calling you on your bearing false witness.

 

[Prov910]

Just a couple questions:

1. You say you won't post on that thread anymore for awhile, yet you carried over some of the posts onto THIS thread to comment on. Why? You're just trading in posting on that thread to post on this one about the same subject.

Because this thread is intended to make people think about their actions, and (hopefully) modify their behavior.

2. Why speculate why EG and Dcon gave a like to Preacher's posts? Why not just ask them outright?

Okay: eternally-gratefull and dcontroversal is that the type of post you "like" on CC? Is that how Christians should converse with each other, or with anyone?

 

[Prov910]

Of course I am, which is why I'm calling you on your bearing false witness.

Okay, let's talk about that. Please post the entire post of mine that has apparently offended you so much. Then post your response to it, and compare.

 

[preacher4truth]

Because this thread is intended to make people think about their actions, and (hopefully) modify their behavior.

All others, accept yourself, correct?

You should modify your behavior. No need for you to bear false witness and offer up false accusatory comments on others.

What was the name of that group in Scripture who called others to do right, but didn't do it themselves, as you are doing yourself? Matthew 23:3 maybe?

 

[preacher4truth]

Okay, let's talk about that. Please post the entire post of mine that has apparently offended you so much. Then post your response to it, and compare.

I've already done it. I called you on your false, callow, accusation. The ball is in your court, and the interesting thing is you are still going ad hominem.

If you want to debate, learn to be honest. You weren't, and it isn't remotely Christian behavior on your part.

Now you're making post after post to attack, to be inflammatory, and frankly cause division.

 

[Prov910]

All others, accept yourself, correct?

You should modify your behavior. No need for you to bear false witness and offer up false accusatory comments on others.

What was the name of that group in Scripture who called others to do right, but didn't do it themselves, as you are doing yourself? Matthew 23:3 maybe?

Well, if my behavior needs modifying, I'll change it. But let's consider the situation at hand. So why don't you post the entire post of mine that has apparently offended you so much. Then post your response to it. And we'll compare. Does that sound reasonable?

 

[followjesus]

Do heated debates in the CC Bible Discussion Forum rise to the level of sin?

In thread after thread we see posters getting upset, demeaning each other, judging each other, and calling each other heretics. Or worse. Generally the disputs are due to disagreement over some particular doctrinal point or interpretation of the bible. (Does anyone else see the irony in this? Bible disagreements leading to sin?)

Is this sort of behavior sinful? A couple of passages from Matthew come to mind:

22. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell. (Matthew 5:22)

39. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Matthew 22:39)
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Finally: Lest anyone bring this up--I am NOT claiming to be innocent of these things. I've written things that, upon reflection, I regret.

it happens where people have differing views. people need to distinguish between things Like Judging, accusing, grudges ect from simply having a differing view of something. its perfectly fine to disagree, its Just a matter of How you behave while you disagree. childish insults, name calling ect is one thing. standing on something you Know is different. the truth is there wouldnt be so many disagreements if it wasnt based on " this persons onterpretation" or that persons " interpretation" and was centered on Jesus explainations instead.


theres alot less to argue about When the Goal is to learn what He said, rather than trying to decypher a secret code of understanding, and simply learn and Believe the Gospel, there wouldnt be so many herecies Like the gog distortio9n or Health and wealth, word of faith type deviations. those differing doctrines exist because of Groups explaining How thie doesnt apply, or that doesnt mean what it says, or Jesus words arent part of the covenant or repentance is no longer rewuired, or Jesus opbeyed so no one else needs to....all of those fallacies are easliy refuted simply by Believing Gods Word as He gave it rathertan as a modern revolutionist " pastor" might tell you , its about Gods Word nothing else that is where agreement can be found, everything else is not from the source.

 

[Prov910]

I've already done it. I called you on your false, callow, accusation. The ball is in your court, and the interesting thing is you are still going ad hominem.

An ad hominem attack is an attack of the person rather than their position. What we have here is just the opposite. I'm trying to get you to re-post the post of mine that apparently upset you so much.

If you want to debate, learn to be honest. You weren't, and it isn't remotely Christian behavior on your part.

Now you're making post after post to attack, to be inflammatory, and frankly cause division.

So you're saying that I'm now attacking you in an inflammatory manner? I'm simply trying to get you to indicate what exactly you are so angry about. I really am not sure. And, frankly, I don't think you are either.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well, if my behavior needs modifying, I'll change it.

Oh, hang it up. I've shown you your false accusations, you typed it, posted it and you cannot own it which is callow. You have no intention of modifying your behavior. Falsely accusing others is obviously Christian behavior to you, and being called on it you pout and make post after post attacking and belittling another for doing so.

Since calling you on bearing false witness, as you've done, is so troublesome and un-Christian to you, feel free to put me on ignore and I'll just dialog with the grown-ups who own up.

 

[Lynx]

The irony... oh the irony!

Already this thread has drawn the very thing it decries. Thank you preacher4truth for giving a very precise and detailed demonstration of the debate tactics christians should avoid.

 

[Prov910]

Oh, hang it up. I've shown you your false accusations, you typed it, posted it and you cannot own it which is callow. You have no intention of modifying your behavior. Falsely accusing others is obviously Christian behavior to you, and being called on it you pout and make post after post attacking and belittling another for doing so.

Since calling you on bearing false witness, as you've done, is so troublesome and un-Christian to you, feel free to put me on ignore and I'll just dialog with the grown-ups who own up.

Well, all I can say is that I'm not sure where you have shown me my purported false accusations. Is this what you are so offended by:

Let me ask you one: What's your rationale for ignoring Hebrews 10:26-27?

Is this what you're upset about? If it is, go back and look at the dialog in post #81 above. Do you think your response is appropriate for a Christian? Would you respond like that if Jesus was sitting right next to you? Because he is.

 

[Prov910]

Oh, you people. I really wonder about the people behind their screens who type these things. /shakes head.

It's Sunday. Church and all. Bye for now. Godspeed to all.

 

[preacher4truth]

Oh, you people. I really wonder about the people behind their screens who type these things. /shakes head.

It's Sunday. Church and all. Bye for now. Godspeed to all.

Why do you reject obeying the 9th commandment?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Yeah, the problem is: What is error? One man's doctrine is an man's heresy. Assuming the person in disagreement can point to *some* scripture that could reasonably be interpreted to support their argument, I think the best way to proceed is:





Yeah. But I'm pretty sure nearly all of us have lost our cool at one time or another in an Interwebs debate. But there are some people who do this on a daily basis (—if not in every thread!) It's this type of behavior that discourages discussion. I know I have bible questions that I'd love to discuss. And I'm sure I would learn from the discussion. But I'm reluctant to ask them on CC because of the flack I would draw. It's really a shame it has to be that way. :/
/jmho

Hi Prov...I agree with you...I am young in the Word, been saved two years this month \o/...I have many a time wanted to make a thread of something I have found in the bible, or something the Holy Spirit has led me to, but I have seen countless times when people have made a simple thread only for it to end up with more knowledgeable people of the Word take over and end up arguing or debating between themselves and others that have nothing to do with the original post , this is why I do not want to make a thread, I prefer to pm someone who I know has a gentle spirit in our Lord who will guide me...

Thank God for those who walk in the gentleness of the Lord our God, for these are pleasing to Gods eyes...xox...

 

[CherieR]

Okay: eternally-gratefull and dcontroversal is that the type of post you "like" on CC? Is that how Christians should converse with each other, or with anyone?

I feel there is a couple of problems with asking eternally-gratefull and drcontroversal to explain why they liked a post on this thread.

• They might not come to this thread and may not see your question.

• The people viewing this thread do not need to know why they liked a post. It is not my concern to know why nor that of anyone else. I think it is best to ask this question via private message with grace. If one or both of them replied to you " I do not want to tell you why I liked a post", it would be their right to do so.

• It can be offensive to the people where the question is addressed. I personally would be bothered by it as I would feel like I was being called out on something in front of many people. I would prefer a private message, but not everyone would feel the same way.

 

[Prov910]

Why do you reject obeying the 9th commandment?

Really? I wasn't aware. Do you have something specific in mind? Please point to it if you do. Or do you mean that everything I say is a lie?

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Also, you still seem angry. But you never did point to what you're angry about (as asked in post #95, and other times above).