he Apple Of Gods Eye!

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Jerusalem being the key to that door, I felt it necessary to address this rampant twist of scripture and going against God Himself. Let it be known that I am a staunch defender of Israel right to exist, and that they are God’s chosen people above all nations. Why do I support Israel, and why should you? Because God commanded it so and it is all the reason any Christian needs. There is a concerted effort in the liberal theology crowd to demonize Israel, but frankly, they don’t know who they are messing with. If there is one thing that we as Christians have to guard against is the false doctrine of replacement theology.
When I read my bible the pages unfold of the relationship that Jehovah had with the nation of Israel starting with Abram who later became known as Abraham. Before this time, the whole of mankind were known as the “nations”. Until Abraham became a friend of God, God did not have a covenant relationship with anyone. Many men walked with God. I think of Enoch whom God took and he never saw death. There was also, Noah who found favor in the site of the Lord. These notable men had found a personal relationship with God and God called them to do a specific work according to His will. But until Abram, God did not single out any specific group of people for any special attention. God told this man called Abraham that his descendents would number as the stars of heaven and that Jehovah would give his descendents the land from the great river of Egypt, to the Euphrates, south to the Red Sea and north to what is now Syria for a perpetual land grant. It was deeded to them by the voice of God forever. It was a literal land grant, not a spiritual one.
For hundreds of years, God worked with the descendents of Abraham, bringing them out of Egypt and giving them His laws at Mount Sinai, but Israel was rebellious and God called them “stiff necked”. He even thought about wiping them off the face of the earth and replacing them with the descendents of Moses. But Moses stood in the gap as type of Christ in intercession for the people and God relented of the thought of destroying them. Many times, God chastened these ancient people and they learned for a short while. But, God finally sent them into exile via Babylonia under King Nebuchadnezzar for a very long 70 years for not following His commands and becoming ensnared with the worship of false gods. God warned them in Deuteronomy chapter 30:
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
God further commanded them to not inquire of how the people in the land of Canaan, who they were expelling from the land because of idolatry, worshipped their heathen gods:
. . . take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, "How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise." You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:30-31)
 
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Jerusalem being the key to that door, I felt it necessary to address this rampant twist of scripture and going against God Himself. Let it be known that I am a staunch defender of Israel right to exist, and that they are God’s chosen people above all nations. Why do I support Israel, and why should you? Because God commanded it so and it is all the reason any Christian needs. There is a concerted effort in the liberal theology crowd to demonize Israel, but frankly, they don’t know who they are messing with. If there is one thing that we as Christians have to guard against is the false doctrine of replacement theology.
When I read my bible the pages unfold of the relationship that Jehovah had with the nation of Israel starting with Abram who later became known as Abraham. Before this time, the whole of mankind were known as the “nations”. Until Abraham became a friend of God, God did not have a covenant relationship with anyone. Many men walked with God. I think of Enoch whom God took and he never saw death. There was also, Noah who found favor in the site of the Lord. These notable men had found a personal relationship with God and God called them to do a specific work according to His will. But until Abram, God did not single out any specific group of people for any special attention. God told this man called Abraham that his descendents would number as the stars of heaven and that Jehovah would give his descendents the land from the great river of Egypt, to the Euphrates, south to the Red Sea and north to what is now Syria for a perpetual land grant. It was deeded to them by the voice of God forever. It was a literal land grant, not a spiritual one.
For hundreds of years, God worked with the descendents of Abraham, bringing them out of Egypt and giving them His laws at Mount Sinai, but Israel was rebellious and God called them “stiff necked”. He even thought about wiping them off the face of the earth and replacing them with the descendents of Moses. But Moses stood in the gap as type of Christ in intercession for the people and God relented of the thought of destroying them. Many times, God chastened these ancient people and they learned for a short while. But, God finally sent them into exile via Babylonia under King Nebuchadnezzar for a very long 70 years for not following His commands and becoming ensnared with the worship of false gods. God warned them in Deuteronomy chapter 30:
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
God further commanded them to not inquire of how the people in the land of Canaan, who they were expelling from the land because of idolatry, worshipped their heathen gods:
. . . take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, "How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise." You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:30-31)

Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


 
Matthew 22:1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and [my] fatlings [are] killed, and all things [are] ready: come unto the marriage.5 But they made light of [it], and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated [them] spitefully, and slew [them].7 But when the king heard [thereof], he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


We dedicated Christians are the Apple Of Gods Eye!
 
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God bless Israel and the Jewish people.
 
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A lot of people think that now that the Church is operating,that Israel has taken a back seat to the Church,but let us put it in perspective.

1.God started with Israel in showing the truth and will end with Israel showing them the truth.

2.The Church started with Israel,the Jews,and Jesus said He came to the lost sheep of Israel,not the Gentiles.

3.Jesus said salvation is of the Jews.Salvation is of the Jews,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation.

4.God will one day send the Jews 2 witnesses to turn their hearts to the truth,for without them coming to the truth,salvation will never come about,and Jesus said that the Jews will not see Him again until they recognize Jesus as their Messiah.

5.God said that He is going to make a full end of all Gentile nations,but not make a full end of Israel,but they will not be wholly unpunished,for their rejection of the truth,which the disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to the Jews at that time,and He said do not worry about it,but go preach the Gospel.The kingdom will be restored to Israel when they come to the truth by the 2 witnesses,and all Gentile nations will have no form of power anymore.

6.It is the Jews that were promised a world without end,the New Jerusalem.

The truth is that Israel is the Church,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation,not the Church replaces Israel,for Israel is the Church.It started with the Jews as the Church,and the Church is the Jews period,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation,Church.

Israel is the Church,period,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation,but it started with the Jews,and there are still Jews as part of that Church,especially the ones that were with Jesus,and Paul.

Just because the Jews are not coming to the Church in big numbers,and a lot reject the New Testament does not mean,that the Church replaces Israel,for God said He did not forsake the Jews that He foreknew,it is just that very few come to the truth,but the Church is still Israel,and many Jews did recognize Jesus as Messiah.

Put it this way,if Israel as a nation did not come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah on the level as a nation,and not the few that followed Jesus,they would not of been scattered off their land by the Roman Empire if they accepted Jesus on the level they should have,then there would be no salvation for anybody.

Let Israel not come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah as a nation,and see if we have salvation,for we would not have salvation,but Israel as a nation must recognize Jesus as the Messiah,and that is why God will send them 2 witnesses to turn their hearts to the truth.

So while the few Jews that followed Jesus when He was on earth,and the few that followed Him in the past and now,qualifies enough to be the Church established by the Jews,Jesus the Chief Cornerstone,the Church now in operation on earth,salvation cannot happen,and the Church see it's way to the New Jerusalem,until the Jews recognize Jesus as their Messiah on the level as a nation and not a few Jews,for if they recognized Jesus on the level that they should have while Jesus was on earth,as a nation,they would not have been scattered off their land by the Roman Empire.

So we better pray for Israel,the Jews,to come to the truth as a nation,as a people,or you can say goodbye to salvation,for salvation cannot happen,until the nation of Israel comes to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which God has given the Jews a certain amount of time to get right with Him,but God will see to it by that time frame they are in the truth,but they had to bear their shame first,by being scattered in to the nation for their rejection of Christ,and then God will show them the truth by the 2 witnesses.

That is how important Israel is in the grand scheme of things,that people want to say Israel has taken a back seat to the Church,but Israel is the Church,and the Gentiles ought to be thankful that they got to be included in that salvation.
 
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That is how important Israel is in the grand scheme of things,that people want to say Israel has taken a back seat to the Church,but Israel is the Church,and the Gentiles ought to be thankful that they got to be included in that salvation.

Matt12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Them that do the will of God and believe in Jesus are the church and the people of God.

If you Keep making the Jews comfortable in their unbelief, they will never get saved
 
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The Jews have to be in the truth to be saved,recognizing Jesus.I am saying that the Jews as a nation has to come to the truth of Jesus as their Messiah.Israel is the Church,but people that are with Jesus,because it started with Jesus and the Jews,and Jesus said salvation is of the Jews,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation.Israel is not the Church in their false beliefs,but the Church,those that are with Jesus,for salvation is of the Jews,and started with the Jews,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation.

I am not supporting Israel in their false beliefs,or going by the Old Testament only,not recognizing Jesus,but saying them recognizing Jesus as their Messiah is the only way.
 
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The Jews have to be in the truth to be saved,recognizing Jesus.I am saying that the Jews as a nation has to come to the truth of Jesus as their Messiah.
I agree with you here
Israel is the Church,.
I don't agree

but people that are with Jesus,because it started with Jesus and the Jews,and Jesus said salvation is of the Jews,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation.Israel is not the Church in their false beliefs,but the Church,those that are with Jesus,for salvation is of the Jews,and started with the Jews,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation.
I didn't understand much.. but when Jesus said Salvation comes from the Jews, He was saying because of the Jews, salvation has come to the gentiles..... Because they refuse God salvation(Jesus)

I am not supporting Israel in their false beliefs,or going by the Old Testament only,not recognizing Jesus,but saying them recognizing Jesus as their Messiah is the only way.
Genesis 12:31 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed

and again, I agree with you, Jews have to accept Christ as their messiah in order to be saved... But you have to love Israel and supported it, not in their believe, but because they are the people of God
 
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When I say Israel is the Church,I do not mean as if she is better than the Gentiles,for there is no difference to God between Jews and Gentiles,and the Church is all races,tongues,and nations.

What I mean is God started with Israel showing them the truth,and they are always with God,even if they mess up and are blinded somewhat,for God said He has not forsaken the Jews that He foreknew,and the gifts and calling of God are without repentance on God's part,and God said if the Jews cry out to Him even in the latter days He will hear from heaven and help them,and God will turn to them shortly and open up their eyes to the truth,for they have it determined upon them to be right with God in a certain time period,and they must be in the truth as a nation before salvation can continue,because God started with them and the Jews as a nation must always be in the truth,for anything beneficial to happen in the future,salvation.

Jesus said salvation is of the Jews,and the Church started with the Jews,and it is the Jews that acknowledged Jesus for the Church to even be started,for a Gentile could not start the Church,it had to be the Jews,because salvation is of the Jews,and the Gentiles were allowed to join that Church.
The Church was initiated by the Jews,and is their Church,for salvation is of the Jews,and the Gentiles were allowed to be a part of that Church.

So the Church is comprised of all races,tongues,and nations,but it was initiated by the Jews,for a Gentile could not do it,and is the Jews Church,and the Gentiles were allowed to be a part of it,but salvation is of the Jews.
 
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"Replacement" theology is Dispensationalism "replacing" existing scriptural Covenant Theology.
 
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Replacement" theology is Dispensationalism "replacing" existing scriptural Covenant Theology. >>>>>>>>>>>>> WOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What did you Say????????????
 
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i personally think all of thisattention with rant when it concerns dispensationalism and Christian Zionism is because he knows within the next few days, the european union is going to decide whether Israel is going to declare Palestine as a recognized state or not

I, for one, dont believe in either dispensationalism or Christian Zionism anymore. it;s a joke, a gnostic heresy, and feeds into wars overseas.
the Jewish people are no longer the Apple of God's eye... God's children are those who are in Christ. The Israel of God are those who are created new in Christ. the heirs, according to the promise, are only those found through Jesus Christ, whether they be Jew, Gentile, male, or female.

judaism is just as worldly as any other religion... Jesus is not the Savior in Judaism... in Judaism, the Law is the savior. The law has been completed by Jesus Christ... there is no need to go back to the Law... Christ completed it, He finished it, He fulfilled it. His blood on the cross was shed for everyone, so that all people may become heirs according to the promise, as Galatians 3 tells us. The church is now Israel. the Church is the Bride of Christ. the Church is the Body of Christ... the Jews, if they dont come to Christ and repent, will not escape the second death... God treats them now just the same as everyone else... it is MAN that venerates, idolizes, worships, and glorifies Israel

rant, i would say, go back to the Bible and let it speak for itself rather than letting John Hagee, or Jack Van Impe, or Hal Lindsay tell you what is right and what is wrong
 
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Jerusalem being the key to that door, I felt it necessary to address this rampant twist of scripture and going against God Himself.
What’s this? Jerusalem being the key to that door. what key? To what door?

Have you not read in the scriptures that Jesus is the door?

I have been reading some of your comments about the Jewish people.

You minister to their pride.

You blow there trumpets.

You puff them up.

You big note them. And you hinder them from salvation.

If you keep puffing up the Jewish people they are never going to realise they are sinners and that they need to repent of their sins, and take Jesus as there saviour.

You do them a great injustice by puffing the Jewish people up and ministering to their pride and big notating them, and blow there trumpets. . You make them feel good and blest and wright and anointed with your comments. Puffing them up.

They are never going to come to the conclusion that they have sinned and need to repent of their sins, and receive Jesus as there saviour, so they can reach their full potential.

You are preaching the watered down gospel and hindering the Jewish people from being saved.

It’s you that preaches against God Himself.

Shame on you.
 
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DaivdM

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What’s this? Jerusalem being the key to that door. what key? To what door?

Have you not read in the scriptures that Jesus is the door?

I have been reading some of your comments about the Jewish people.

You minister to their pride.

You blow there trumpets.

You puff them up.

You big note them. And you hinder them from salvation.

If you keep puffing up the Jewish people they are never going to realise they are sinners and that they need to repent of their sins, and take Jesus as there saviour.

You do them a great injustice by puffing the Jewish people up and ministering to their pride and big notating them, and blow there trumpets. . You make them feel good and blest and wright and anointed with your comments. Puffing them up.

They are never going to come to the conclusion that they have sinned and need to repent of their sins, and receive Jesus as there saviour, so they can reach their full potential.

You are preaching the watered down gospel and hindering the Jewish people from being saved.

It’s you that preaches against God Himself.

Shame on you.
The door of prophecy
The Clock of Prophecy

That is what he mean
 

zone

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i personally think all of thisattention with rant when it concerns dispensationalism and Christian Zionism is because he knows within the next few days, the european union is going to decide whether Israel is going to declare Palestine as a recognized state or not

I, for one, dont believe in either dispensationalism or Christian Zionism anymore. it;s a joke, a gnostic heresy, and feeds into wars overseas.
the Jewish people are no longer the Apple of God's eye... God's children are those who are in Christ. The Israel of God are those who are created new in Christ. the heirs, according to the promise, are only those found through Jesus Christ, whether they be Jew, Gentile, male, or female.

judaism is just as worldly as any other religion... Jesus is not the Savior in Judaism... in Judaism, the Law is the savior. The law has been completed by Jesus Christ... there is no need to go back to the Law... Christ completed it, He finished it, He fulfilled it. His blood on the cross was shed for everyone, so that all people may become heirs according to the promise, as Galatians 3 tells us. The church is now Israel. the Church is the Bride of Christ. the Church is the Body of Christ... the Jews, if they dont come to Christ and repent, will not escape the second death... God treats them now just the same as everyone else... it is MAN that venerates, idolizes, worships, and glorifies Israel

rant, i would say, go back to the Bible and let it speak for itself rather than letting John Hagee, or Jack Van Impe, or Hal Lindsay tell you what is right and what is wrong
good post zilla.