heaven is hotter than hell?

[EnochxGenesis]

Okay, so looking at bible passages, the temperature of heaven is clearly much hotter than hell

the temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads, "Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days."
Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (49) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation:
(H/E)4 = 50
where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798°K (525°C or 977°F).
Tempurature of Hell

The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. As stated in Revelations 21:8: "But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)
We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C (977°F) and the temperature of hell, less than or equal to (=>) 444.6°C (>=832.28°F). Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.
Another good paradox like this is the Omnipotence Paradox.

 

[DieuMerci]

Ok, so i read you post in the other thread about what you call the 'hell doctrine', and i started reading this and had to stop...im not sure where you're going with this, but i don't want a young man like you to be mislead about the truth. Hell is a real place, Hell is the english word, for Hades, which is the greek word for Sheol, which is the hebrew word for the grave. Read the parable of lazarus and the rich man for instance. It's not a creation of the church, it's a creation of God. Please reconsider your views about this.

 

[concernedguy]

Okay, so looking at bible passages, the temperature of heaven is clearly much hotter than hell

the temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads, "Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days."
Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (49) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation:
(H/E)4 = 50
where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798°K (525°C or 977°F).
Tempurature of Hell

The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. As stated in Revelations 21:8: "But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)
We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C (977°F) and the temperature of hell, less than or equal to (=>) 444.6°C (>=832.28°F). Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.
Another good paradox like this is the Omnipotence Paradox.

Though your concerns seem mostly earth bound, you can not apply the limited knowledge of man
concerning God's earthly laws of physics on heaven or hell which are spiritual places and not
physical places like earth. Heaven and hell operate under different laws. Earth's laws of physics
will end. The laws Heaven and hell operate on spiritual eternal laws.

Instead of wasting your time on something that can never be proven, perhaps you should take
at a minimum the warning your theory states: Hell even at 444 degrees is too hot to go to. You
should focus on heaven.

But just for a moment, lets say you are correct. Even if Heaven were 977 degrees, it doesn't
matter. We will be transformed into spiritual being existing on a different plain. In our human form,
75 degrees is comfortable. In our spiritual body, 977 degrees may be the equivalent of 75 degrees
in a spiritual based environment.

God created the earth and the laws of the universe to govern this physical realm. The same laws
do not apply to the spiritual domains of Heaven and hell. Regardless of the temperature, Heaven
is a place of rest and pleasure.

 

[Definition_Christ]

Shalom.. Welcome to CC EnochxGenesis.. Now I am not quite sure where you got the idea that heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven?.. Now I was reading through the passage and I couldn't quite figure out where heaven was mentioned or even something that may symbolize heaven?

Isaiah 30
18 Therefore the LORD will wait, that He may be gracious to you;
And therefore He will be exalted, that He may have mercy on you.
For the LORD is a God of justice;
Blessed are all those who wait for Him.
19 For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem;
You shall weep no more.
He will be very gracious to you at the sound of your cry;
When He hears it, He will answer you.
20 And though the Lord gives you
The bread of adversity and the water of affliction,
Yet your teachers will not be moved into a corner anymore,
But your eyes shall see your teachers.
21 Your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying,
“ This is the way, walk in it,”
Whenever you turn to the right hand
Or whenever you turn to the left.
22 You will also defile the covering of your images of silver,
And the ornament of your molded images of gold.
You will throw them away as an unclean thing;
You will say to them, “Get away!”
23 Then He will give the rain for your seed
With which you sow the ground,
And bread of the increase of the earth;
It will be fat and plentiful.
In that day your cattle will feed
In large pastures.
24 Likewise the oxen and the young donkeys that work the ground
Will eat cured fodder,
Which has been winnowed with the shovel and fan.
25 There will be on every high mountain
And on every high hill
Rivers and streams of waters,
In the day of the great slaughter,
When the towers fall.
26 Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun,
And the light of the sun will be sevenfold,
As the light of seven days,
In the day that the LORD binds up the bruise of His people
And heals the stroke of their wound.

Where do we get the idea this is talking about heaven? And secondly do you know what the towers are mentioned in vs 25?

 

[Definition_Christ]

Great hunger for the Lord, wisdom and math skills you have by the way, forgot to add that in my post..
Blessings.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Ok, so i read you post in the other thread about what you call the 'hell doctrine', and i started reading this and had to stop...im not sure where you're going with this, but i don't want a young man like you to be mislead about the truth. Hell is a real place, Hell is the english word, for Hades, which is the greek word for Sheol, which is the hebrew word for the grave. Read the parable of lazarus and the rich man for instance. It's not a creation of the church, it's a creation of God. Please reconsider your views about this.

Well actually 'Lazarus and the Rich Man' is a parable about the seperation between decendants of Esau and Jacob.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Isa 30:26Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
this is not talking about heaveb but rather it could be referring to the day of the
Lord. theoldTestament does speak about the skin melteing away from the eyes and the new testament tell us the earth will burn up and its elements
I really don't think this is referring to heaven though

 

[Kakashi]

this reminds me of the question " How many angels can dance on top of a pin's head?" The answer is the same to this thread: No one really knows nor does it matter.

 

[Graybeard]

consider this:
Isa 60:19 "The sun shall no longer be your light by day, Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you; But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, And your God your glory.
Isa 60:20 Your sun shall no longer go down, Nor shall your moon withdraw itself; For the LORD will be your everlasting light, And the days of your mourning shall be ended.

 

[Brackenzee]

Lol guys he's making a joke. He's poking fun at people who go into long intricate debates over every minor detail of scripture. Don't be such sticks in the mud

 

[1Covenant]

25 There will be on every high mountain
And on every high hill
Rivers and streams of waters,
In the day of the great slaughter,
When the towers fall.
26 Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun,
And the light of the sun will be sevenfold,
As the light of seven days,
In the day that the LORD binds up the bruise of His people
And heals the stroke of their wound.

I believe that this is about the coming of Chirst. Notice the reference to the spirit in verse 25 and the healing of Christ in the latter half of 26. It is passages like this that Christ references when John the Baptist questions whether He is the Christ to come and Christ offers proof. "The blind see and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them..."

The first part of verse 26 is about the fullness of God revealed in Christ. "This man[John] came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the word."

I believe that in verse 26 the moon is in reference not just of John but of the people of God, illuminated not of themselves, but by reflecting and giving witness to that greater light now more gloriously revealed than before when all things were revealed in types and shadows of this fullness now present in Christ who dwells "in unapproachable light."

 

[Thaddaeus]

this reminds me of the question " How many angels can dance on top of a pin's head?" The answer is the same to this thread: No one really knows nor does it matter.

don't forget the ultimate question, Did Eve have a belly button??

good point but to defend God, is important , if someone says that God will save us from hell which is an everlasting fire , and then someones tries to belittle this truth by saying that heaven is hotter than hell, dancing angels don't do any damage to the name or truth of God as this thread does! if it don't matter then there would not be a cause to stand up against it , but if it defiles/or even attempts to defile God as the Gaint was defiling His people, then there is a cause to defend Our Lord

 

[EnochxGenesis]

don't forget the ultimate question, Did Eve have a belly button??

good point but to defend God, is important , if someone says that God will save us from hell which is an everlasting fire , and then someones tries to belittle this truth by saying that heaven is hotter than hell, dancing angels don't do any damage to the name or truth of God as this thread does! if it don't matter then there would not be a cause to stand up against it , but if it defiles/or even attempts to defile God as the Gaint was defiling His people, then there is a cause to defend Our Lord

"it don't matter" = "it does not matter"

fix your grammar....... at least before you get on your moral high horse.

thanks

 

[EnochxGenesis]

Lol guys he's making a joke. He's poking fun at people who go into long intricate debates over every minor detail of scripture. Don't be such sticks in the mud

you win .

 

[loveallserveall]

Oh crap, the witch hunt continues...

humor is evil.. run for the hills, ma!

 

[Thaddaeus]

"it don't matter" = "it does not matter"

fix your grammar....... at least before you get on your moral high horse.

thanks

I love the way people, who know when they can't attack you spiritually, will attack you in the fleshly things. thanks for pointing out my weakness , but if there is one verse in scriptures that I have try to live by it is this


Ac 4:13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
So it didn't work, I still love you through Christ and you didn't make me mad. However you are still wrong about that verse talking about heaven.

 

[Graybeard]

don't forget the ultimate question, Did Eve have a belly button??

I just have to reply, no..she did not

 

[Graybeard]

"it don't matter" = "it does not matter"

fix your grammar....... at least before you get on your moral high horse.

thanks

oh come on!...surely you wouldn't (would not) stoop so low, you don't (do not) have to do that.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

I love the way people, who know when they can't attack you spiritually, will attack you in the fleshly things. thanks for pointing out my weakness

Don't worry about it Thaddaeus, that's how the world works. Don't is just a short form of does not. Smart move really, to type it int he short form. Now if it were some sort of term paper or something for school or whatever, and was a major issue, I could see it...maybe...but even then they would accept ''don't'' over ''does not''. Remember how Moses wasn't a man with good speech or words, yet look how mightely God used him! Perfect example if you ask me. Let not those who attack you fleshly drive you to wrath. Continue on, and God bless.

 

[loveallserveall]

What is it about this place? or is it the people?

Honestly, I'm not being facetious this time, I actually want to know how something so dumb can turn into beef.

I guess the original grammatical correction was slightly confrontative, but looking back further, Thaddeus did say the OP is belittling the truth by making a joke. It should be self-explanatory that it doesn't have to be this way. But I would really love to hear some theories on why everything seems to turn into a confrontation around here.